Reverb rack or plug ins

[Yummerz]

For convenience I would go with plugs. Fast efficient outboard integration requires a dedicated OTB setup.

[celticrogues]

I think in that budget range plugins are going to be the way to go - there are some great sounding plugins out there. One of my favorites is IK multimedia's CSR.

Cheers!
-Mike

[ObiK]

Plus you have unlimited (Well as many as your machine can handle) channels of reverb when you are talking software. Check out CSR, it gives you 4 types of reverb. (Classik Studio Reverb)

[Sanlky]

Well yeah, thats right, i generally use 3/4 reverb fx buses + delays, hooking them up in an otb setup for each session isnt very confortable.

I will try some demos, but i have never used a hardware reverb processor and i dont know if today's plug ins can do the same job or better.

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by ObiK

Plus you have unlimited (Well as many as your machine can handle) channels of reverb when you are talking software. Check out CSR, it gives you 4 types of reverb. (Classik Studio Reverb)

CSR are really nice reverbs!

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz App

[ObiK]

Originally Posted by Sanlky

Well yeah, thats right, i generally use 3/4 reverb fx buses + delays, hooking them up in an otb setup for each session isnt very confortable.

I will try some demos, but i have never used a hardware reverb processor and i dont know if today's plug ins can do the same job or better.

From personal experience I don't think hardware reverbs are better than software. If they are I am willing to bet they would cost a LOT more than the software versions.

[fastlanestoner]

Verb is the one thing I dont mind as a plug. Maybe bc most hardware reverbs are digital anyway?

[jeremycox]

what ms10 clone did you build?

[SochiTag]

I like ValhallaRoom for $50 ValhallaRoom: $50 – ValhallaDSP

Whilst your there it's worth picking up the free ValhallaFreqEcho.

[alexevans917]

Originally Posted by SochiTag

I like ValhallaRoom for $50 ValhallaRoom: $50 – ValhallaDSP

Whilst your there it's worth picking up the free ValhallaFreqEcho.

I think ValhallaRoom and ValhallaShimmer would cover the vast majority of your basic reverb needs for $100. The basic Logic verbs together with these two and I don't feel like I need anything more.

[Sanlky]

Originally Posted by jeremycox

what ms10 clone did you build?

A clone that a friend of mine made(shivatek)

Obik, i realy dont know if a cheap reverb hardware will at least sound better than a plug in... i was thinking about the other day, if i use hardware reverb i should need to buy 3 or 4 units, many of them has midi and can save/load presets, so it isnt a pain.. the problem... there arent many interfaces which has 4 sets of spdif to send to each hard(so i shouldnt have to make a ad/da conversion), so i would need to use analog outputs, and maybe making an analog summing console, to bounce each project(i would need 8 analog outputs for reverb + main outputs, or a 24 channel interface, which would be near to a high end set up, maybe a motu 828 + a ferrofish), buts thats a lot of money here that i cant afford now.

I will try reverbs demos versions and choose which one i like the most.

Thanks, i will be testing classis studio reverb, and the others you mentioned

[tomat]

As far as sound quality is concern, at low prices hardware and software are equal, just choose what suits best your workflow.

Actually, the secrets with reverb are :
1/ set the delay time according to the tempo
2/ EQ (cut frequencies) what's going into the reverb
3/ EQ (cut frequencies) what's coming from the reverb

[jeremycox]

Have you tried using bricasti and Eventide impulses for space designer? Some of them really sound great ;-)

[Sanlky]

I was looking for algorithmic reverb instead of convolution.

Is it worth spending 1500usd for plug ins reverbs.. like.. lexicon pcm? Dont want to use DSP like UAD because latency issues, and they are a bit overpirced here. I know this costs 10x times of what i speak earlier

Working with plug ins, will make a difference with a sample rate of 88khz? I always work at 44.100hz.

My interface is not that great but can handle it... a focurite scarlett 8i6 and working with mac mini server(128gbs ssd primary).

Thanks

[enzodrum]

Originally Posted by SochiTag

I like ValhallaRoom for $50 ValhallaRoom: $50 – ValhallaDSP

Whilst your there it's worth picking up the free ValhallaFreqEcho.

+1000000000
Total game-changer.
For 50$, lushest reverb ever.
Nearly as good as Lexicon Pcm 81 Hardware in my opinion, and that's a tall order.

[Sanlky]

I demoed the LXP and MXP, really didnt like them much, low mids frecs little muddy and not clear high mid frecs, i liked better the scarlett which i have but dont use.

IK sound nice, but i dont like the way how parameters are designed(i liked more leixon in that ways), but sound matters. So i guess i will be buying them.

Valhalla rooms, sound nice, and are easy to use, liked them, but the interface is pretty ugly(i dont wish to show it to my clients xD). Already bought them, sounds nice anyways and they are too cheap.

Thank you for the information

[jnorman]

i've used altiverb, valhalla, M7 IRs with SIR II, nebula, ozone, and about 100 other plugin verbs, as well as hardware lexicons and TCs.

the best one i have found is ircam Flux Verb Session. perhaps the msot frustrating and difficult to get any kind of decent sound from was the lex PCM91 box.

[dickiefunk]

I ended up going the plugin route as I preferred the workflow. Also some of the software reverb plugins these days sound amazing!

My goto reverbs are :-

112dB Redline Reverb
ValhallaRoom
EaReverb
Epicverb

Epicverb is free and sounds great. ValhallaRoom is fantastic and cheap at $50! The other two are extremely flexible and offer a huge range of reverbs and again sound amazing! With these I can cover a huge range so sounds and am not looking for any more reverbs!

[ivmike]

I prefer hardware versus software.

[jeremycox]

Originally Posted by ivmike

I prefer hardware versus software.

Like an emt or something?

[popmann]

...dedicated units mostly sound better. And mix better for me by a long shot. I've tried SO many plug ins...mostly fail. Old digital hardware sounds better. Now...on the super budget end, that might not be the case. My reference here is my PCM91 and KSP8.

Aether is the best I found, in terms of true stereo ambience creation. lexi's PCM Native was really nice, but not true stereo...so, not useful, given the price--you can buy a Lexi hardware unit for far less...and who needs more than one thick rich LexiVerb per mix? If you go software...get Aether(disable the "cross" settings of the input matrix)...and keep your eye out for a PCM hardware unit to hook up for the vocal.

[ivmike]

Originally Posted by jeremycox

Like an emt or something?

Even something considered "Low End Theory" like the V-Verb gives me more pleasing results than using plug-ins.

[TurboJets]

Originally Posted by dickiefunk

I ended up going the plugin route as I preferred the workflow. Also some of the software reverb plugins these days sound amazing!

My goto reverbs are :-

112dB Redline Reverb
ValhallaRoom
EaReverb
Epicverb

Epicverb is free and sounds great. ValhallaRoom is fantastic and cheap at $50! The other two are extremely flexible and offer a huge range of reverbs and again sound amazing! With these I can cover a huge range so sounds and am not looking for any more reverbs!

I'll 2nd the Epicverb here.

Very smooth with fantastic selection of parameter controls. EQ? Please. How cool is that in a reverb plug? Very. Plus control for 1st and 2nd ER. A Mid/Side knob even.

I've used the Behri box (sent it back) and I have the Lexicon MPX100 that I like for some things. One hardware box that has a lot of color is the midiverb 4. But, again, it's very colored and not transparent in any way.

[popmann]

I used to have a MidiVerb4 here that stayed on a handful of tape delay presets. Until the KSP8. I sold it. But, yes...I actually have a Quadraverb2 here still, though I don't use it as much mixing in the computer--I had it mixing in hardware because it was an easy efficient way to create large guitar multiFX. The kind of thing that eats DSP in the KSP8 for lunch...and in the old Akai was a pain to try to chain things in particular order...plugs are a little easier that way--along with Steinberg's and Waves amp emulation (sans the amp emulation itself)--cool guitar multiFX in sort of drag and drop pedal order...

But, the Q2 has a gorgeous reverb, too. If you want big lush...like I remember using it a while back on a sax solo--big rich algo sound.

[GJ999x]

I have waves truverb and waves r-verb, people will rightly demand sources but i def. remember seeing a waves rep. on here making clear that r-verb basically makes truverb obsolete.

R-verb is great.... valhalla gets a LOT of love here tho, and is dirt cheap, reckon i'll have picked it up myself within a few months...

[Silent Sound]

For reverb, definitely plugins. Almost any good reverb unit these days are going to be digital, so why pay extra for another mini-computer in a box that's using the same logarithms? Plus the extra DA/AD conversion step can't be helping things. Lexicon release some PCM plugins recently that even they claim is as good as their hardware units. They're about as expensive as their hardware units, but there are lots of other great reverb plugs out there for less. My personal favorite? TL Space. You can get it used for real cheap and with all of the free impulses out there, it's extremely versatile. It may not be the best sounding, but I can always find something in it that works, so I've never felt the need to upgrade.

[popmann]

so why pay extra for another mini-computer in a box that's using the same logarithms?

Because they're obviously NOT the same algorithms. No clearer answer. If you think they are...you're mistaken.

[popmann]

I just got all my hardware hooked back up after a bit of a remodel/reconfig in the studio...god bless this stuff...all of a sudden "the sound" is back.

I'm convinced there's something about the way I work with FX that's just different than everyone who seems to like plug ins...like arguing about whether a Tele or LP is "better"...all context and style and use. For me--I was actually very surprised. I was planning to ditch all my hardware digital FX when I moved to the computer. But, in direct comparison...fail. No way. I will just have to buy more IO.

[John T]

Hardware is great, but plugs can work really well too. They are so convenient!