Recording mixing room sound

Shadowdog · 29th April 2006, 12:40 AM

Hey guys,

Built a new house last year and just found out that I cannot build a seperate builing in my backyard for my home studio (Some covenent that I can only have an 8X10 max "shed etc.) Sooo I want to make the best out of the "larger" bedroom in my basement that I am going to have to use until i can build another house somewhere else.

If I am going to use the room for tracking and mixing, are there any tricks I can do to get the "best" sound during both for the room. I was gonna put a suspended ceiling in there since I need access to the pumps and stuff on the tub upstairs, but remember hearing suspended ceilings creating that "hum" sound sometimes and are sensitive to air pressure. Has anyone played with quieting these celings. Also, hardwood or carpet? Wall textures? I thought about building some art decor "paintings" with hard sides and soft sides to turn around as needed for reflecting and dampening, overkill?

Any suggestions would be great.

MATTI · 29th April 2006, 02:48 AM

Sure you can record and mix in the same space, but you`ll have to invest
some thoughts and money for the acoustics for results.
www.realtraps.com could be the site to learn and consult.
Cheers
Matti

Shadowdog · 1st May 2006, 06:56 AM

anything special anyone has done?

Shadowdog · 1st May 2006, 07:59 PM

bpape · 1st May 2006, 08:37 PM

Consider some movable panels which are hard on one side and soft on the other. That way you can kind of 'tune' the room to be more dead for mixing and live for tracking.

Obviously you still need bass control in either case. If the room is large enough, sealed membrane absorbers may be your best solution.

tINY · 1st May 2006, 10:42 PM

Suspended ceilings are good. Get the owens-corrning 703 semi-ridgid fiberglass pannels and use them on the T-bar. They come in 2x4' panels.

Make sure to do bass trapping of some kind. Basement walls tend to be very ridgid (like cynderblock or concrete). So, they don't even have the marginal bass transmiting/trapping properties of gypsumboard walls.

I wouldn't worry about making a convertible set up. Having a reverberant room less than about 20'x32' with high ceilings won't be that helpful.

-tINY

Shadowdog · 2nd May 2006, 05:28 PM

what do you mean "convertible set up"?

With the suspended ceiling do you need to fill the gap between the panels and the rafters with insulation or somehting to prevent sound from traveling (or being trapped) up to the upstairs? Would that help anyway?

tINY · 2nd May 2006, 06:02 PM

If you want to keep sound from going upstairs, a second set of rafters and gypsum board ceiling is what you want. Insulation damps out sound pretty well, but doesn't do much for keeping it from passing through walls and floors.

For isolation, you want two heavy surfaces (wallboard or flooring) and you want them mounted on separate framing (offset studs or ceiling rafters and separate floor joists).

-tINY

aetucker1 · 2nd May 2006, 07:25 PM

as always, consult http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php

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29th April 2006, 12:40 AM	#1
Shadowdog Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 146	Recording mixing room sound Hey guys, Built a new house last year and just found out that I cannot build a seperate builing in my backyard for my home studio (Some covenent that I can only have an 8X10 max "shed etc.) Sooo I want to make the best out of the "larger" bedroom in my basement that I am going to have to use until i can build another house somewhere else. If I am going to use the room for tracking and mixing, are there any tricks I can do to get the "best" sound during both for the room. I was gonna put a suspended ceiling in there since I need access to the pumps and stuff on the tub upstairs, but remember hearing suspended ceilings creating that "hum" sound sometimes and are sensitive to air pressure. Has anyone played with quieting these celings. Also, hardwood or carpet? Wall textures? I thought about building some art decor "paintings" with hard sides and soft sides to turn around as needed for reflecting and dampening, overkill? Any suggestions would be great. __________________ Shadowdog PC - Conroe Core 2 Duo E6600 Corsair XMS 2 DAW Rig@ Default 2.4 GHz Intel DP965LT Motherboard 2GB (2 x 1000) Corsair XMS2 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 2x Western Digital Caviar 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache Gear: Cubase 4 Presonus Digimax RME Mulitface w/PCI adapter Roland R-70 Drum Machine Art Pro VLA Compressor Behringer HA4700 headphone amp Vocal mic (Baby Bottle) Mackie Control Universal

1st May 2006, 06:56 AM	#3
Shadowdog Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 146	anything special anyone has done? __________________ Shadowdog PC - Conroe Core 2 Duo E6600 Corsair XMS 2 DAW Rig@ Default 2.4 GHz Intel DP965LT Motherboard 2GB (2 x 1000) Corsair XMS2 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 2x Western Digital Caviar 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache Gear: Cubase 4 Presonus Digimax RME Mulitface w/PCI adapter Roland R-70 Drum Machine Art Pro VLA Compressor Behringer HA4700 headphone amp Vocal mic (Baby Bottle) Mackie Control Universal

1st May 2006, 07:59 PM	#4
Shadowdog Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 146	bump __________________ Shadowdog PC - Conroe Core 2 Duo E6600 Corsair XMS 2 DAW Rig@ Default 2.4 GHz Intel DP965LT Motherboard 2GB (2 x 1000) Corsair XMS2 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 2x Western Digital Caviar 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache Gear: Cubase 4 Presonus Digimax RME Mulitface w/PCI adapter Roland R-70 Drum Machine Art Pro VLA Compressor Behringer HA4700 headphone amp Vocal mic (Baby Bottle) Mackie Control Universal

1st May 2006, 08:37 PM	#5
bpape Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis(Wildwood), MO Posts: 435	Consider some movable panels which are hard on one side and soft on the other. That way you can kind of 'tune' the room to be more dead for mixing and live for tracking. Obviously you still need bass control in either case. If the room is large enough, sealed membrane absorbers may be your best solution. __________________ I am serious, and don't call me Shirley Bryan Pape Lead Acoustical Designer GIK Acoustics

29th April 2006, 02:48 AM	#2
MATTI Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 867	Sure you can record and mix in the same space, but you`ll have to invest some thoughts and money for the acoustics for results. www.realtraps.com could be the site to learn and consult. Cheers Matti

1st May 2006, 10:42 PM	#6
tINY Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,821	Suspended ceilings are good. Get the owens-corrning 703 semi-ridgid fiberglass pannels and use them on the T-bar. They come in 2x4' panels. Make sure to do bass trapping of some kind. Basement walls tend to be very ridgid (like cynderblock or concrete). So, they don't even have the marginal bass transmiting/trapping properties of gypsumboard walls. I wouldn't worry about making a convertible set up. Having a reverberant room less than about 20'x32' with high ceilings won't be that helpful. -tINY

2nd May 2006, 05:28 PM	#7
Shadowdog Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 146	what do you mean "convertible set up"? With the suspended ceiling do you need to fill the gap between the panels and the rafters with insulation or somehting to prevent sound from traveling (or being trapped) up to the upstairs? Would that help anyway? __________________ Shadowdog PC - Conroe Core 2 Duo E6600 Corsair XMS 2 DAW Rig@ Default 2.4 GHz Intel DP965LT Motherboard 2GB (2 x 1000) Corsair XMS2 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 2x Western Digital Caviar 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache Gear: Cubase 4 Presonus Digimax RME Mulitface w/PCI adapter Roland R-70 Drum Machine Art Pro VLA Compressor Behringer HA4700 headphone amp Vocal mic (Baby Bottle) Mackie Control Universal

2nd May 2006, 06:02 PM	#8
tINY Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 5,821	If you want to keep sound from going upstairs, a second set of rafters and gypsum board ceiling is what you want. Insulation damps out sound pretty well, but doesn't do much for keeping it from passing through walls and floors. For isolation, you want two heavy surfaces (wallboard or flooring) and you want them mounted on separate framing (offset studs or ceiling rafters and separate floor joists). -tINY

2nd May 2006, 07:25 PM	#9
aetucker1 Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 212	as always, consult http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php

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