Reaper - 64 bit DAW

[Kiwiburger]

http://www.cockos.com/reaper/

Un-crippled nag-less shareware. Unlimited tracks, Midi, VST, VSTi, DirectX, ASIO.

Looks promising.

I have SX3, but i'm tired of the dongles and the registration numbers, and having to jump through hoops just to use their forum.

SX is only 32 bits floating, so I need to move onto a superior 64 bit DAW. This is early days, but it looks like a contender. Most of the functionality I need is in third party plugins, so to a certain extent a DAW is a DAW is a DAW.

[everybody's x]

SWEET thanks for the linkage, I love messing with new programs

[aussie_techie]

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

so I need to move onto a superior 64 bit DAW.

hahaha so you have been bitten by the 64bit bs bug

program looks promising once its been devoloped abit more

[pour the cure]

thank you kiwi

i just downloaded that today and found some drum machine freeware..

tracked my first demo with my dell computer mic into the back of the computer haha..

How's THAT for a low end rig... mic came with the comp

check it out:
http://www.myspace.com/pourthecure

fwiw.. (if nothing but to bask in the cheapness...)

tracked with reaper

vocals have iZotope vinyl on them..not sure if it made them any better but what do i know anyway


drums are a program called 'hammerhead rythym station'...first thing i found on google....i needed something to keep a beat

amp was a blues jr (that needs some work on it) ...master fairly low but i drove the tubes pretty hard.....the les paul running through it is in bad need of a 'set up.'

there's an acoustic in there too..

[bensommerfeld]

some more DAWs to look for:

http://www.xt-hq.com
http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/

[I <3 The Beatle]

Originally Posted by pour the cure

thank you kiwi

How's THAT for a low end rig... mic came with the comp

Whatever works well for you, glad you found something to put your ideas with. I actually just listened to your song before and I was feelin it..

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

http://www.cockos.com/reaper/

Un-crippled nag-less shareware. Unlimited tracks, Midi, VST, VSTi, DirectX, ASIO.

Looks promising.

I have SX3, but i'm tired of the dongles and the registration numbers, and having to jump through hoops just to use their forum.

SX is only 32 bits floating, so I need to move onto a superior 64 bit DAW. This is early days, but it looks like a contender. Most of the functionality I need is in third party plugins, so to a certain extent a DAW is a DAW is a DAW.

Cool! I think I'm set, but it's great to have another shareware app to tell folks about. (And I guess the 'beta' versions are freeware, better yet!)


But, Kiwi... weren't you just rhapsodizing about Cubase in another forum recently?

Or was that the OTHER Kiwiburger?

[You may also know me as blue2blue. ]

[pour the cure]

Originally Posted by I <3 The Beatle

Whatever works well for you, glad you found something to put your ideas with. I actually just listened to your song before and I was feelin it..

thank you thank you

[Kiwiburger]

Cubase SX3 is great, no doubt about it. But i'm sort of going anti-commercial software a bit at the moment. Which is why i'm hanging at out here at Gearslutz more.

A couple of years ago, SX/Nuendo was clearly better sounding that other DAWs. But now DAWs with 64 bit summing are coming out (even Reaper is 64 bits), and that (in theory) offers better summing than the 32 bit float of Cubase.

Did you know, for example, that whenever the 32 bit audio stream moves the floating point, the noise floor jumps? So although in theory the floating point means you can deal with much larger numbers than 64 bit fixed, in practice 64 bits fixed gives a quieter, constant noise floor. 64 bit floating is better, because it has unlimited headroom for summing.

But it's really the dongle, and the countless registration numbers and crap that I have against Cubase SX. At this point, everyone knows there are hordes of unliscenced users with cracks. Those who want to pay will pay. Those who don't want to pay won't. So I find the restrictive and obtrusive practices of most commercial software companies is very, very off-putting.

I'm about to buy a new PC and set up my studio from ground one again. With a greater emphasis on hardware and re-amping. I'll be keeping my existing PC, so I need the dongle for that. I'm considering Protools for tracking, just because clients are so stupid for Protools, I can't be bothered arguing anymore.

But Reaper could support all my VST and DX plugins, which is a huge bonus. If the 64 bit mix engine sounds as good, or better, than SX, it might be a good thing.

I just won't be buying another SX dongle, that's for sure. And I don't want to use a crack - SX is buggy enough as it is. No DAW is completely bug free - i'm just saying I don't want to use a crack.

I like the market policy of Reaper - non-crippled nagless full-functioning shareware. As it should be. No need to crack it. If you like it, pay for it.

[username]

anyone else here used this?.. I've just started looking at it.. so far it's abit confusing (mainly because i'm so used to cubase).. looks good though.. might have to move to it instead of buying sx3 if it keeps getting better

[PDC]

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

Cubase SX3 is great, no doubt about it. But i'm sort of going anti-commercial software a bit at the moment. Which is why i'm hanging at out here at Gearslutz more.

A couple of years ago, SX/Nuendo was clearly better sounding that other DAWs. But now DAWs with 64 bit summing are coming out (even Reaper is 64 bits), and that (in theory) offers better summing than the 32 bit float of Cubase.

Did you know, for example, that whenever the 32 bit audio stream moves the floating point, the noise floor jumps? So although in theory the floating point means you can deal with much larger numbers than 64 bit fixed, in practice 64 bits fixed gives a quieter, constant noise floor. 64 bit floating is better, because it has unlimited headroom for summing.

But it's really the dongle, and the countless registration numbers and crap that I have against Cubase SX. At this point, everyone knows there are hordes of unliscenced users with cracks. Those who want to pay will pay. Those who don't want to pay won't. So I find the restrictive and obtrusive practices of most commercial software companies is very, very off-putting.

I'm about to buy a new PC and set up my studio from ground one again. With a greater emphasis on hardware and re-amping. I'll be keeping my existing PC, so I need the dongle for that. I'm considering Protools for tracking, just because clients are so stupid for Protools, I can't be bothered arguing anymore.

But Reaper could support all my VST and DX plugins, which is a huge bonus. If the 64 bit mix engine sounds as good, or better, than SX, it might be a good thing.

I just won't be buying another SX dongle, that's for sure. And I don't want to use a crack - SX is buggy enough as it is. No DAW is completely bug free - i'm just saying I don't want to use a crack.

I like the market policy of Reaper - non-crippled nagless full-functioning shareware. As it should be. No need to crack it. If you like it, pay for it.

Now, is reaper a 64-bit application, or does it have a 64-bit mix engine? So we have DAWs that are 64-bit. Big deal. Are you guys using only 64-bit VSTs with Reaper? If the mix engine is 64 bit, and you are using your old 24-bit VST plugs, what's the advantage? Can you even hear it?

No DAW is not bug free because it is software, and is subject to the variables of the bagillion versions of hardware combinations in the studios, and must try to be all things to all people who work in different ways, all at the low ball price we expect.

[manning1]

PDC....
i'm a huge fan.
read the reaper thread in the music software section of GS for more info.
cos i'm weakeing up...lol.
just try it and marvel at the depth of features.

[PDC]

Originally Posted by manning1

PDC....
i'm a huge fan.
read the reaper thread in the music software section of GS for more info.
cos i'm weakeing up...lol.
just try it and marvel at the depth of features.

I would think that it's own documentation would be more detailed. I went to that thread. When someone asked how VST plugs are handled, one replied "they have no problems."

So the questions remain, is it a 64-bit mix engine or application or both?
Does the audio data 64-bit throughout? What do the VSTs do to it?

The graphics are kind of primative to me, just like SAWs. People are making shades, but it just doesn't ooz pro.

As soon as the they get the Mac version as functional as the Windows version, I will look at it further. Until then, I am not worried about throwing out PT6.2.

[jupiter8]

Judging from the system requirements it is a 32 bit app.
And since it uses VSTs which are 32 bit it only uses 64 bits in the summing.

[xopeth4]

Originally Posted by PDC

The graphics are kind of primative to me, just like SAWs. People are making shades, but it just doesn't ooz pro.

To me, the graphics are taking a back seat to the fact that i can now make use of my plugins the way I could never do in SX3 without my computer hiccuping all over the place. Reaper definitely wins in the efficiency catagory.

[PDC]

hey that icon looks like female Geddy Lee from Rush

[RusRant]

(True 64-bit floating point end-to-end signal path (not just 64-bit summing)

This was taken from Reapers site in the Technical specs section.

[Justin Frankel]

REAPER will use 64 bit end to end, of course if you use VSTs that only support 32 bit then it'll convert to 32 bit for that.. most of REAPER's built in VST and all of the JS plug-ins are 64 bit though as well..

[dynamism]

REAPER | About
n-Track Studio Multitrack Music Recording Software

besides reaper and fasoft n-track - are there any other decent 64 bit DAWs out there someone can recommend?

Originally Posted by aussie_techie

hahaha so you have been bitten by the 64bit bs bug

program looks promising once its been devoloped abit more

it is well developed already, unless you were basing the underdevelopment assumption on their lack of fancy graphics

just because they dont have a cool futuristic GUI like FL Studio does not mean their processing isn't 2x better. perhaps they know their userbase cares more about sound quality then what the volume slider looks like and are spending more time improving features in full 64 bit than wasting time on trying to 'look cooler'

as long as a DAWs features and functions are organized and well laid out, and the software engine behind the processing is of high quality, i wouldn't care if the knobs and controls in reaper had clownfaces on them. it does what i need it to do and at much higher quality than some other DAWs.

[cooker]

Originally Posted by dynamism

REAPER | About
n-Track Studio Multitrack Music Recording Software

besides reaper and fasoft n-track - are there any other decent 64 bit DAWs out there someone can recommend?




it is well developed already, unless you were basing the underdevelopment assumption on their lack of fancy graphics

just because they dont have a cool futuristic GUI like FL Studio does not mean their processing isn't 2x better. perhaps they know their userbase cares more about sound quality then what the volume slider looks like and are spending more time improving features in full 64 bit than wasting time on trying to 'look cooler'

as long as a DAWs features and functions are organized and well laid out, and the software engine behind the processing is of high quality, i wouldn't care if the knobs and controls in reaper had clownfaces on them. it does what i need it to do and at much higher quality than some other DAWs.

Welcome to gearslutz, check out next time how old the posts are

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by dynamism

REAPER | About
n-Track Studio Multitrack Music Recording Software

besides reaper and fasoft n-track - are there any other decent 64 bit DAWs out there someone can recommend?




it is well developed already, unless you were basing the underdevelopment assumption on their lack of fancy graphics

just because they dont have a cool futuristic GUI like FL Studio does not mean their processing isn't 2x better. perhaps they know their userbase cares more about sound quality then what the volume slider looks like and are spending more time improving features in full 64 bit than wasting time on trying to 'look cooler'

as long as a DAWs features and functions are organized and well laid out, and the software engine behind the processing is of high quality, i wouldn't care if the knobs and controls in reaper had clownfaces on them. it does what i need it to do and at much higher quality than some other DAWs.

Welcome.


Don't forget Sonar, the first DAW with both a 64 bit internal audio engine (as well as a 64 bit application that could take advantage of 64 bit hardware and OS, introduced around the same time to much consternation among the many who couldn't figure out which was which and what was what). That was back on Sonar 4. (The beta for 64 bit OS/HW came out in early 2005, not long after Sonar 4 came out that previous fall.)

[aussie_techie]

Originally Posted by dynamism

it is well developed already, unless you were basing the underdevelopment assumption on their lack of fancy graphics

That was 2 Years ago and at the time Reaper wasnt stable on any system i had tried it on

[Mark Kaufman]

I just heard some dude named "Obama" is running for President. What's up with that?

I'm going to Google him.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by Mark Kaufman

I just heard some dude named "Obama" is running for President. What's up with that?

I'm going to Google him.

Don't bother, he's gonna lose to ron paul... get with the times man.

[sloper]

Been using Reaper since version 2.5, they're at 3.14 now i think? I can't say enough good things about it. It loads fast, it rarely crashes (and usually it's a plug that causes it), it's cheap, and very fast to work on. I deal with a lot of electronica elements so I do lots of side chaining and crazy routing when i mix, it's all so easy to do. The MIDI just got an overhaul too and i find it easier to use than Cubase SX3 my last platform. It's also a very light install, ~4.5MB and comes with some great plugs made by the stillwell audio guys without the fancy graphics.

The no tools interface is also amazing. Editing is much faster now.

[Heikki]

Originally Posted by sloper

Been using Reaper since version 2.5, they're at 3.14 now i think? I can't say enough good things about it. It loads fast, it rarely crashes (and usually it's a plug that causes it), it's cheap, and very fast to work on. I deal with a lot of electronica elements so I do lots of side chaining and crazy routing when i mix, it's all so easy to do. The MIDI just got an overhaul too and i find it easier to use than Cubase SX3 my last platform. It's also a very light install, ~4.5MB and comes with some great plugs made by the stillwell audio guys without the fancy graphics.

The no tools interface is also amazing. Editing is much faster now.

I moved to Reaper from Logic and definetely like it. GUI is pretty sweet (I like that kind of things) and editing is faaaast for me. Payed this baby right after month of test use and few projects that went good. It's so affordable it should be illegal!

Definetely a good choice nowadays for everyone and best option for home or project studios.

[drbam]

Yes, I'm finally making a full transition from Vegas/Acid to Reaper as my primary audio app. After getting through a bit of a learning curve, I'm finding Reaper to be completely amazing for my needs. And I cannot say enough about their business model. Even if I didn't use the program, I'd purchase a license just to support the business model in hopes that other developers/companies might wake up to the wasted time and resources put into all their ridiculous protection and anti-piracy schemes.

50 years in the recording industry and still dongle free!!