Rosetta 200 or Rme Fireface???

[Harsh]

I currently have a Shure ksm32 into a Vintech x73i into a 002,,Coming out Dynaudio bm5a monitors.... I really only track vocals and guitars from outside the box, I use BFD for my drums, and trilogy for my bass. I do however send these out of the box into distressors or the joe meek twinq for compression. Everyone says that better converters are the way to go... I do notice a muddy thing going on with several tracks.
Will there be a huge difference with what I;m doing between the apogee rosetta 200 and the Rme Stuff, or Mytek or whatever else there is..... or should I just stick with the 002 converters..... I have the cash and have been leaning towards the rosetta. Please Help!

[I play in a ban]

Although I've never done a comparison, if it were between those 2 options I would say go with the Rosetta.

The Fireface is a GREAT interface with good converters; however, you will be paying for 4 preamps, 6 more channels of a/d and d/a, firewire, not to mention you will can not use Protools with the fireface. Now, you'll also have to buy some nice software..etc. etc.

HOWEVER.. RME does offer the ADI-2 which is just 2 channels of A/D and D/A which can be had for under $700

[I play in a ban]

BTW, BFD and Trilogy both rock my world...how do they sound running through the Distressors?

[Alexi]

...i know there is a fireface 400 coming out

[Harsh]

BFD and Trilogy rock through distressors, I actually prefer the trilogy through the distressor and Bfd through the joe meek, it fattens it up in a way I prefer. The distressor with dist. 3 mode on rocks the bass by the way.....

Yeah I've been leaning towards the rosetta,........ Does anyone know if I can bypass the 002 d/a run out spdif to the rosetta, through the distressor, back in the rosetta use the a/d back spdif in to the 002 all at the same time...... is this possible.

[MikeMitchell]

Originally Posted by Harsh

I currently have a Shure ksm32 into a Vintech x73i into a 002,,Coming out Dynaudio bm5a monitors.... I really only track vocals and guitars from outside the box, I use BFD for my drums, and trilogy for my bass. I do however send these out of the box into distressors or the joe meek twinq for compression. Everyone says that better converters are the way to go... I do notice a muddy thing going on with several tracks.
Will there be a huge difference with what I;m doing between the apogee rosetta 200 and the Rme Stuff, or Mytek or whatever else there is..... or should I just stick with the 002 converters..... I have the cash and have been leaning towards the rosetta. Please Help!

Sorry for the hijack... curious if your just using the analog outs on the 002 to send bfd and trilogy out directly to the distressor and twinq, or if you have some kind of reamp in the chain.
Thanks, Mike

[DrDeltaM]

I'm using a Fireface800 atm for outboard loops. Started as well by needing 2 I/O for a dual mono/stereo compressor, now my 8 analog I/O is full (I actually need 10 already)

So I'd look at an 8 channel convertor for your 002R. The Fireface can function like that, but as said, you also pay for features you don't use.

Blowing it all on 2 channels I wouldn't do in your situation, as you're gonna want more analog outboard

[Harsh]

Originally Posted by MikeMitchell

Sorry for the hijack... curious if your just using the analog outs on the 002 to send bfd and trilogy out directly to the distressor and twinq, or if you have some kind of reamp in the chain.
Thanks, Mike

I just run out the analog outs, the twin q has pre's that reamp it. With the distressor, I have reamped it, and also not..... It really just depends on the flavor.

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

I'm using a Fireface800 atm for outboard loops. Started as well by needing 2 I/O for a dual mono/stereo compressor, now my 8 analog I/O is full (I actually need 10 already)

So I'd look at an 8 channel convertor for your 002R. The Fireface can function like that, but as said, you also pay for features you don't use.

Blowing it all on 2 channels I wouldn't do in your situation, as you're gonna want more analog outboard

I can't use a fireface I'm told, but I can see the need for more channels...... i've heard the lynx aurora is pretty good,,,, I'm so confused....

Do you run ITB out through RME to an analog piece back in to the RME, does the AD/DA work at the same time like this?

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by Harsh

I can't use a fireface I'm told, but I can see the need for more channels...... i've heard the lynx aurora is pretty good,,,, I'm so confused....

Do you run ITB out through RME to an analog piece back in to the RME, does the AD/DA work at the same time like this?

You can use a Fireface purely as an ADAT-analog convertor. You just need to set it up once with it's Firewire connected to the computer, after you done the routing, you can use it stand-alone. You wouldn't be using the extra features the Fireface gives, but it sure would be a nice AD-DA convertor to hook up to your 002R's ADAT port, for a good price.

The Aurora8 would be a step up, and if you have the budget, It's the best option you have probably. I'm not sure if the ADAT interface expansion for it is shipping already (it has only AES/EBU ports standard).

I'm running ITB out via RME DA into outboard, back into RME AD into my ITB session. This works perfect.

[Harsh]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

You can use a Fireface purely as an ADAT-analog convertor. You just need to set it up once with it's Firewire connected to the computer, after you done the routing, you can use it stand-alone. You wouldn't be using the extra features the Fireface gives, but it sure would be a nice AD-DA convertor to hook up to your 002R's ADAT port, for a good price.

The Aurora8 would be a step up, and if you have the budget, It's the best option you have probably. I'm not sure if the ADAT interface expansion for it is shipping already (it has only AES/EBU ports standard).

I'm running ITB out via RME DA into outboard, back into RME AD into my ITB session. This works perfect.

Could I do this with just a stereo RME or do I need something with more ins/outs.... If this works I think I might just go with RME to save the money..... And also why and how would I attach the RME to my computer first to set it up...... If I don't have a sound card that is compatible with it. Thanks for your help. BTW I checked out your production work... sounds great, what is your setup.

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by Harsh

Could I do this with just a stereo RME or do I need something with more ins/outs.... If this works I think I might just go with RME to save the money..... And also why and how would I attach the RME to my computer first to set it up...... If I don't have a sound card that is compatible with it. Thanks for your help. BTW I checked out your production work... sounds great, what is your setup.

If you go for the RME ADI-2 (2channel AD/DA convertor), there's nothing to set up: just hook it up to the spdif I/O from your 002R and you're set.

If you choose the RME Fireface, it's different, because the Fireface is a soundcard by itself (like 002R). But, thanks to the Totalmix DSP routing system in it, you can route the analog inputs back to the ADAT out, and the ADAT in back to the analog outs. Hence setting up the Fireface as 8 channel ADAT ADDA convertor. To do this routing setup, you first have to connect it via Firewire to a computer so that you have access to the Totalmix setup software.

Another option would be to go for the RME ADI-8. This is an 8 channel AD/DA convertor that needs no special setup. Just hook it up to your 002R's ADAT port and you're set! It's slightly more expensive then a Fireface however.

Thanks for your comments, you can find my gearlist in the 'studio'-tab on my website.

[Harsh]

Thanks.... So the rme adi 2 will do what your doing... going out da analog back in ad..... itb... sorry this just confuses me. And does the adi 2 have a clock that I can use instead of my 002

[DrDeltaM]

Yes, you could use the clock from the ADI-2 (and I'm sure you'll hear the 002R improve), just set the 002R to slave, and ADI-2 to master.

[Harsh]

thanks I'm going to go a/b the apogee against the rme and if I don't really hear a huge difference I'll save my money for another mic and go with the rme.......

[Jazzpunk]

Harsh,
I'm looking to do something similar so please report back on what you end up purchasing and how you like the sound.

Thanks!

[Harsh]

Will do......

[dmb10]

Any word on comparing the rosetta200 with the Fireface??

[tonio]

uhh, at this point . he's going for the 200 vs AdI-2 no?

T

[Harsh]

yeah sorry for the delay the rental place finally got there rosetta back this week and i'm picking it up today...... I'll let you know soon.

[dmb10]

correct, it was the adi.... The reason I said fireface was beacuse I just finished testing the fireface and the rosetta this past week and was interested to see if he came to the same conclusions.

[Harsh]

wow, went to pick up the rosetta and somebody snatched it before me..... they only have one there I guess and it's popular.....still wating I guess

[Crandak]

Originally Posted by dmb10

I just finished testing the fireface and the rosetta this past week and was interested to see if he came to the same conclusions.

and your conclusion was?

[dmb10]

Personally...there WAS a difference. If anyone is taking their itb mix to an outboard piece and bringing it back in they'll notice a difference. There's more dimension, which can be heard clearly through a good pair of grados or reference quality headphones. Thats what I would describe it as...a more realistic and 3d sound, not "scooped" like some people have said.