Drums reverb for depth

[bannerj]

I guess this question could go for other instruments as well. In my experience every time I try to add a little verb to my drums they get washed out and loose their attack. This even happens when I mult a stem mix and only send one through a reverb...even just a little.

Is it because I am only using the AU reverb that comes with OSX? Are there reverbs that won't do this?

I don't want a ton of ambience...just enough to give it a bit of depth. I am tracking in my house and get fine sounds, but it is just not a tuned drum room with all that nice natural ambience from room mics.

[Ruudman]

Before looking at the plug competition:
a little pre-delay before reverb (room/plate) is your friend

ruudman

[djui5]

yep, it's all in the pre-delay.

[Jason Poulin]

Try working with send and returns.


I find it's much better and more efficient then an insert.


Good luck!


Jason

[Mario-C.]

hi pass and lo pass filters come in very handy ... they make reverbs sit better in the mix

[narco]

Also try using a compressed room mic,

put an extra mic up as far away as you can from the drums, or may be in the next room with the door open.

then over-compress it in the mix

narco

[tamasdragon]

Or use some short delays for simulating depth.
Regards Tamas Dragon

[bannerj]

awesome....thanks for the tips. I have been mostly tracking for indie projects and am just now starting to mix too. I do use a mono room mic ususally when I track drums. When you suggests a compressed room mic as far away as possible are you saying in addition to any other mono room mics you already have?

I normally put my mono room mic about 6 or 8 feet in front of the kit at varying heights.

I used to stick one in the corner in omni up against the wall. That gave me a nice natural delay. I'll have to try it again.

[bannerj]

Jason,

when you say sends and returns, I assume you mean what are aux sends that I use in DP. I don't have a board unfortunately. Why would sends and returns add any more depth than an insert?

[Crash]

Almost sounds like you are getting all wet signal with no dry signal mixed in. By using a send and returns, I think you would have better control than doing an insert.

[narco]

yeah it all depends on what sound you're after and what the response of your room is like, but if you are wanting a reverb sound, then try putting the room mic further away

[Derrick Davis]

I learned a cool trick from two top euro mixers / producers for getting space. Use two reverbs, one close and narrow (room) and a second far and wider(hall/ big room). This simulates depth very well. I use it alot.

[Jason Poulin]

by using aux send and returns via plugins, you can run all your drums through one room or whatever type of reverb in particular.

you can just send a little bit of each drum if youd like, and send to taste. I keep the returns at zero.


A combo of reverbs work great as well!


Also, you're going to save tons of CPU this way rather than inserting a reverb on every track.


Jason

[a-a6-^andromeda]

hi im new here.. ahah

the reverb's ''decay'' is the thing much of times can be a lot of reverb but if the decays is somewhere
less than 0,5seconds there wont be too much bad sounding anymore.
decay usually kills that extra shitty sound that cames out with too much reverb


im trying to xplain but im not that good at explaining ... i use a lot a lot of reverb on
my drums i mean effects lot of reverb effects not really much reverb itself.

if u want to hear a breakbeat with what i think is good reverb let me know.