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Best Bang for the buck mics to mic a drum kit? (Heavy rock band)

Mics is not something I know much about. I mostly do electronica however I will be helping a band record their demo using my equipment and need mic suggestions. I have $1000 Need to mic a drum kit. with those Mics I need to cut vocals and heavy guitars. I understand that I wont get optimal mics for that money and most of the stuff that is cheap is going to sound that way but I am looking for some mics that sound decent and cary a low price tag. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
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i would probably buy all the mics used to maximize that budget.

shure sm7, $300used. use it for kick drum, and lead vox.
shure sm57(x3), $50used(each) use them on snare drum, rack toms, and guitar cab.
sennheiser 421, $250used. use it on floor tom and guitar cab.

that leaves $300 for a pair of mics to use for overheads.
someone else will have to chime in with thoughts on that.
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i would probably buy all the mics used to maximize that budget.

shure sm7, $300used. use it for kick drum, and lead vox.
shure sm57(x3), $50used(each) use them on snare drum, rack toms, and guitar cab.
sennheiser 421, $250used. use it on floor tom and guitar cab.

that leaves $300 for a pair of mics to use for overheads.
someone else will have to chime in with thoughts on that.
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I like this list a lot and you couldn't go wrong with a mic locker like that. I might make a few small changes though: you might want to go with a shure beta 91 as your kick mic, shure sm7b on the floor tom and lead vocals, and swap one sm57 for an audix i5 for snare and a different flavor of guitar amp mic. As for the overheads, I'd recommend the m-audio pulsar II matched pair. Good luck.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. Looking forward to starting my mic collection!
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yep, good list.

Naiant make very very good value omni condenser mics, which can be used as drum overheads.
Shinybox ribbon mics would make good drum overheads/room mics too.

When you're done, you could add a Behringer ECM8000 (measurement mic). They're Omni condensers, as close to neutral as a cheap Behringer mic is going to get. They are so dirt cheap if it doesn't work for you, throw it away.
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Good list. I would maybe just get another 57 for thr floor tom, which leaves extra money for a pair of SM-81s for overheads.
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Please consider the CAD 179 condenser microphones. They are excellent tom mics right out of the box and you would use them on a lot of other sources as well.

At $1000, it does not give you a great deal to work with. However, you could consider three or four mic set-ups on the drums to get a good recording of the instrument and focus your money on fewer microphones. I have used the Glyn Johns method to very good success. Also I have used a spaced pair overhead and a single mic on the kick and a single mic on the snare, similar to Glyn Johns, to great success.

Lately I have been using some Oktava MK-219 mics on the toms and they sound outstanding. Mine are modded though and while the budget on these if you go DIY are well within your budget, they are probably not the first place for you to turn, but worth thinking about for the future.

On kick drum I have always been very fond of the Shure Beta52. Recently we have added a condenser mic a foot or two outside the front of the kick drum and it really helped fill out the sound.

If you go with just a three to four mic set up on the drums, consider adding another mic as a mono overhead mic for room sound. You need to have a good sounding room with very high ceilings to pull that off, but it can really add a wonderful sense of space to the drum mix and help glue the sound together at the same time.

So for a Glyn Johns or four mic spaced pair set up, I would humbly suggest a Beta 52 (or other kick mic of choice) an SM57 or Audix i5 for the snare (I am liking the i5 more these days, but the SM57 can produce a ring that some drummers really like) and a condenser pair for over head--Most people would call for a small diaphragm pair for this duty, but there is absolutely no reason you have to choose SDC, you could go with a pair of Large Diaphragm Condensers--if you choose LDC, consider the MXL 2003a or the before mentioned CAD 179 mics. They would all fit well within your budget.

Or get the SDC pair (Oktava MK-012, Rode NT5, used Shure SM81 pair, and many others) AND get a single MXL 2003a or CAD 179 and use that single LDC for the mono overhead trick, if you have the right room to make it work.

Again, consider smaller mic set up that you can drop more $$$ into each mic. I humbly suggest you will get excellent results, but do your homework. Read up on the techniques.
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Pretty good 4 mic set up for drums - 1 sm57 for snare, 1 beta 52A for kick, and 2 sm81's for overheads. You will use the sm57 a lot in future, and the sm81's are pretty versatile as well.
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For 1000 bucks, I'd get:

Audix d6: for kick (150-200$)
Audix i5: for snare/toms/guitar (80-100$)
Oktava Mk319's modded x2: for overheads/vocals/guitar (130-200$)
Shure Sm57 x2: for toms/snare/guitar (70-100$)
TNC ACM-1200: for room and vocals (110$)

I would also maybe get a golden age project pre as well
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used audix d series kit would be a great addition
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Pair of Little Blondies for overheads. Search the forum, they're amazing.
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Well, as it is the low end theory: I use a €100 Gatt DKIT-7 mic kit.
It's about as cheap as it gets.

The drums on the song attached are recorded with these.
Also, I used the tom mics to record the guitars

I'm quite satisfied with the way it came out, although the mix is a bit messy still ehe
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Well, as it is the low end theory: I use a €100 Gatt DKIT-7 mic kit.
It's about as cheap as it gets.

The drums on the song attached are recorded with these.
Also, I used the tom mics to record the guitars

I'm quite satisfied with the way it came out, although the mix is a bit messy still ehe
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Well, as it is the low end theory: I use a €100 Gatt DKIT-7 mic kit.
It's about as cheap as it gets.

The drums on the song attached are recorded with these.
Also, I used the tom mics to record the guitars

I'm quite satisfied with the way it came out, although the mix is a bit messy still ehe
I liked it as well, i'm interested in what you used on the guitar amp and vocal here? Sounds great overall so far!
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Used D6 for kick $150
57 for snare ($90)
Audio Tecnica Pro 37 for Hihat, overheads ($150 each)

You'll get a great clear sound from 3-4 mics and will be easier to mix.
SM57 is great on guitar; you could step up and buy a Sennheiser e906 that you could use on guitar and snare.

Don't forget to budget stands and cables; for guitar amps, hard to beat the simple Z-Bar for placement.
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ASSUMING you have all of the Mic Stands and Cables to hold all of these non-clip-on mics, 1,000 bucks should be perfect for some good mics!
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Whoa!! How about, how do the drums sound?!!

That's 90% of the sound in the first place.

Just asking....
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If you're going new, I would grab a DMK57-52 (Three SM57s and one Beta 52) for $400 and two condensers of your choice. Two M179s would be good for $269, together you're at $669 and have come out under budget, so you can either grab an SM7b for vocals or keep the extra cash and rent a mic if you have a good rental place near by. If you go with the SM7b you can AB between it and the M179 for the singer to give you some options.

It's what I would do, and actually what I would do if I could start my mic locker over.
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Don't go buy them all up before I get a pair, but front end audio is selling a set of 2 ATM 450's with 2 mic cables and a stereo mic holder included for $299.99. They normally go for about 250 a piece with a list of 499. These seam to be popular SDC's for overheads on these forums.

Audio Technica ATM450!!

At this price you could afford a full set up, maybe 4 sm57's for snare and toms at $100 a piece. At this point you've got your overheads, toms and snare covered, and your only looking at 700 dollars plus tax and shipping that leaves room for a nice kick mic, maybe even an inside and outside kick mic. I have the D112 but I think I would try something else probably the audix D6-$200.

With this setup you would have a very respectable set that even the pros wouldn't mind using.

ATM450 pair-299 @ FEA
SM57 (x)4-410
Audix D6-150-200

Your looking at about 1000 after shipping

If I didn't already have 5 SM 57's and a pair of overheads, I would buy three pairs of ATM450's and use them on toms and snare as well as overheads.

Now you can use the Sm 57's for electric guitar and vocals if you wanted. The MD421's are popular for snare and toms, as well as electric guitar also, but they are 380 a piece.

If you wanted the MD421 for snare, you could do a 4 mic setup with the ATM450's 299, Md421 snare 380, and a good kick drum mic, and still be in your budget.

Or you could get the AT450's 299, one sm57 snare-100, and one audix d6-200. And you would be at only 600 before tax or shipping, and could get a pretty killer sound.

Plus you'll save some money getting those two free mic cables.

I have the mics and preamps to do a 10 mic setup if I wanted, but I still do a 4 mic setup most the time anyways. The overheads will pick up the toms pretty well. But if you do a lot of work on the toms and want some control over them, get some more punch out of them afterwards you might want to close mic them. Lot's of well known rock drummers have used 3 or 4 mic setups John Bonham for example.

Another excellent choice for overheads are the oktava mk-12's. They can be had for just over 500 for a pair. They are probably the most popular overhead mics on this forum. I've never used them, or the ATM450's, but both are highly recommended, the Oktavas more so.

You might rather go

oktava mk012 pair-about $550
SM57-$100
Audix d6-$200

total $850, and you would have probably the most popular choices for OH, snare and kick.
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i would probably buy all the mics used to maximize that budget.

shure sm7, $300used. use it for kick drum, and lead vox.
shure sm57(x3), $50used(each) use them on snare drum, rack toms, and guitar cab.
sennheiser 421, $250used. use it on floor tom and guitar cab.

that leaves $300 for a pair of mics to use for overheads.
someone else will have to chime in with thoughts on that.
nice list. i was thinkin:
the Shure DMK57-52 set includes 3 57's & a Beta 52 (kick, bass amp) for $400 new.
SM7 is great for vocals, guitar cabs, ect. $350
i'd look at AT2020 for overheads. $100 a piece new & are a pretty clean condensor for the money, or CAD M179's go for $150 a pop if there's still room in the budget.
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Don't forget about the EV RE-20, could probably get a used one for $300, works great for vox, kick drum and bass.

The AKG C3000 gets no love around here but used they are a good deal and versatile, around $150-175 or so. They have lots of uses, drum overheads, toms, acoustic guitars, even electric guitar cabs, they handle high SPL well.
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I've used those ATM 450's on Snare Top as well as Bottom....and they are one of the best snare mics I have used! They are nice and easy to position too!
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Audix dp7 kit $900
7 mic's, mountings, case.
That's about $128 per mic and you save by not needing to by a mic case and mounting clips.

All the mic's can be used for other sources as well. I have used the condensers in that kit and they sound very good. Just the 2 condensers purchased separately would cost $400. Good bang for the buck IMO for 7 mic's. The D2's/D4 in the kit are options for guitar and bass cab mic'
And are hypercadioid. Overheads good for acoustic guitar stereo mics too.


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I would buy a really nice pair of SDC's for overheads, with hard rock the whole thing will likely be replaced so go with overheads and buy a $100 drum mic kit.
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I paid 700$ for a brand new complete Audix DP7 kit, and love quite everything so far, with some additional mics to have the choice on some elements. A great starting point I think.
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If I had to start over, I'd go with the zenpro kit. I have the m179s and the ATM450s. They're fantastic mics. M179s kill on toms and the 450s are great on overhead duty.
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+ 1 Zen Pro Setup

Especially since it's seemingly starting from scratch.
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I agree, get the Zen bundle. It's a good value too. You couldn't find that combination of mics for that cheap, individually, even with FEA's 299 stereo atm450 bundle.

And 8 good cables for $150 is a good deal too.
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Good list. I would maybe just get another 57 for thr floor tom, which leaves extra money for a pair of SM-81s for overheads.
+1 This is what I would do too.... SM81's cant go wrong! I love them on a lot of stuff. SM7 for vox and kick, the rest use some 57s or MD421s. you can also go shopping at some garage sales for some older smaller speakers 6-8inch range and rig up your own subkick for some low end. I got some 8inch yamaha home theater speakers for $10 for the pair at a garage sale, enclosure and all... I take them out and for a subkick when needed and when not using them, I use it for my DJ mixing setup.
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