Turning monitors on their side...

[ShamansDream]

If you were going to turn your HR824's on their side, which way would you face the small speakers, in or out? ...and why?

Would you line up the 'sweetspot' with the large speakers ot the small ones?

Thanx

[DontLetMeDrown]

Originally Posted by rufus13

I would get out my 5 pound sledge, reciprocating saw, and pry bar, before placing HR824 on their side. Get a bigger room, or invest in headphones.

Cheers.

kk in pdx

Please explain. Is this bad? I turn my NS-10s upright even tho they are supposed to be horizontal-- I just don't have the room for that. They sound great tho. I have seen pics of other people's studios where they do the same.

[BB Edwards]

I'm no expert here, but I'm pretty sure the reason why guys will set their monitors on their side (horizontal, as opposed to vertical) has to do with the sound waves coming out of the seperate speakers (driver and horn) hitting your ears at the same time.

[mogWai]

er... no.. speakers are supposed to be upright - vertical, so the sound from both drivers hits you at the same time.

NS10s are not SUPPOSED to be on their side.

The reason people do this is because they have seen pictures of other people doing this and think it looks cool.

Some guy probably did it once so that he could see over the top of the console into the live room - this would be the reason to do this.

If your speakers' position (when set vertical) is too high so that the tweater is above your head you need to either angle your speakers down or get a cushion (to sit on)

.. but in answer to the question, if you must put speakers on their side, you want the tweaters at the outside... reason being LF are usually more in the middle.. either way - you're still ****in with your image...

[mainrhythm]

see pic

[squeegybug]

See this thread:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=53127&

Horizontal is usually not a good idea... try it and you can hear what I mean when you turn your head, or move position.

re the NS10... at some point they were "redesigned" as NS-10M STUDIO to use horizontal placement, according to Yamaha: http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/produc.../ns10m_studio/

Steve

[tINY]

Turning the monitors on their sides will cause lobing in the horizontal plane. That means that sounds near your crossover frequency will change when you move from side to side.

Usually this happens when you move your head up and down.....



-tINY

[DontLetMeDrown]

As far as the sound of both drivers hitting my ear at the same time, we are talking about less than a 6 inch difference. BTW, I have Auralex pads angling them so they point right at my noggin. Placing my 10s horizontally is just not an option for me due to space restraints. I've laid them down to see if there was a difference and I hear NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER. As long as their is no danger, they are staying how they are.

[everybody's x]

you guys better email southern tracks and let them know they are idiots

http://www.southerntracks.com/control%20room.jpg

then email all these artists and let them know they're a bunch of suckers

http://www.southerntracks.com/page16.html

[everybody's x]

OH NO! looks like the guys at oceanway are dumb-asses too!

http://www.recordproduction.com/oceanway-15.JPG

[tINY]

Notice that the soffit mounted main monitors at Souther tracks don't suffer from the same problem....

Sorry to let you down, but 6 inches is just far enough for 1.1kHz to be completely out-of-phase. Since this is in the transition band of most two-way cross-overs, 6 inches difference woofer to tweeter will cause lobing.

Better to keep it in the vertical position unless you are using it as a quick check (which is what the big studios use near-fields for...)



-tINY

[explorer]

Just tried my 824s at about 4 paces away as suggested above - it really seemed to help the sound. I was having trouble getting the right level with certain sounds and now it seems easy?!! weird. Are these still nearfields or does that make em midfields?

[djui5]

I always liked the 824's on their sides. I wouldn't mix on ns-10's if they were verticle, MS version or not.

I used to have my S3A's on their sides too, but found them more pleasurable standing up, woofer on bottom.

[grahluk]

This whole upright vs side thing is really only critical with speakers that have horns/waveguides or mid driver arrangements ala Genelec 1037. The whole horn shape and relation to the LF driver makes for a predictable dispersion. Throw it on it's side and imaging will certainly be F***ed up. With the 1037 as an example they make allowances for it by having the whole HF and mid driver mounted on a single panel/waveguide. If you intend to turn it on it's side you just take out few bolts rotate the HF mid driver 90 degrees and you're good to go. Your large custom built mains with TAD driver boxes are usually built for the orientation intended. If you see them with drivers in a horizontal plane instead of a vertical plane it's because that was they way they were intended to be built. Stand those on end and you'll likely screw with their image the same as turning vertical standing boxes on their sides. As for NS10's. I would really like to see hard evidence that purely orienting them on their sides vs vertical makes a detrimental amount of difference. You may have to play with their placement and spacing a bit but you should be good.

[ShamansDream]

I could see how careful placement of the HR824's on their sides would still present a perfect sweet spot as long as you're not moving across a board contantly, which I'm not. As a matter of fact, my chair has pretty much made a hole in the carpet for quick positioning myself. You just have to optimise that magic triangle with the small and large speakers simultaniously.

The HR824's also have the advantage of how the LF 'speaker' is arranged in the back of the cabinet (which has it's own room problems, of course).

I haven't gone through the exercise yet, but it seems worth a try.

[De chromium cob]

Do whatever sounds best and translates best in your studio. Fukk these people who say you can or cant do this or that. All rooms are different and what works great for you might not be right for some.... It takes different strokes, it takes different strokes, it takes different strokes to move the world. (sorry, got into a TV theme song there for a minute..... )

Its not like it costs you anything to try it out.

[zetterstroem]

Originally Posted by everybody's x

you guys better email southern tracks and let them know they are idiots

http://www.southerntracks.com/control%20room.jpg

then email all these artists and let them know they're a bunch of suckers

http://www.southerntracks.com/page16.html

those soffitmount are downright idiotic... i heard soffits like that in LA once..... i was the most horrible sonic experience in my life....

if i was to judge by their speaker setup they've NEVER heard what their own gear REALLY sounds like ......

the great records done there was done in spite of the monitoring not because of it imo....

but it doesn't matter anyway.... noone gives a f*** on their ipod phones....

and please.... just because one is considered an authority it doesn't make one right!!

(but i'm just a knowitall)

[everybody's x]

I really don't care either way, all I am trying to say is, if the question is "can you make good records if your monitors are on their side?" then the answer apparently is "yes you can"

[spektor]

i have the hr824 on there sides to me it is better in te room im in,