Login / Register
 
1k for a standard mic locker ?
New Reply
Subscribe
pro
Thread Starter
#1
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #1
Gear addict
 
pro's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 396

Thread Starter
pro is offline
1k for a standard mic locker ?

I need some mics, cheap. Any suggestions for a standard mic set-ups?
#2
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #2
Lives for gear
 
nathanvacha's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,231

nathanvacha is offline
well, before anyone else beats me to it...


What do you have now (mics and other gear) and what are you trying to record?
#3
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #3
Lives for gear
 
mrbowes's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 1,452

mrbowes is offline
Given a decent preamp (or two)...

Shure SM7 ($300) - good dynamic (bass cabs, vox, guitars)
Shure Beta58 ($100) - good all around dynamic ( snare, guitars, vox, etc)
MXL V77 ($200) - neutral LD condenser (vox, acoustic guitar, room mic)
2x Oktava mk012 ($250) or 2x Shure SM81 ($400) - stereo SDC (overheads, acoustic guitar)
Beyer M160 or M500n (~$150-250) - ribbon (vox, guitar, room mic)

That's a very general setup, though the best answer necessitates a good description of what you will be recording.
pro
Thread Starter
#4
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #4
Gear addict
 
pro's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 396

Thread Starter
pro is offline
thanks mrbowes

As for Pre-amps I have 2 amek neve's, 8 audients, and 4 RME's

I will be recording drums, bass, acoustics, and some solo vox.

I have no plans on using EQ's for tracking, just gates and lite comp.

does that help?
#5
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #5
Gear Guru
 
tINY's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: Orygun
Posts: 11,850

tINY is offline


all those pre-amps and only $1k for mics.......



-tINY

pro
Thread Starter
#6
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #6
Gear addict
 
pro's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 396

Thread Starter
pro is offline
I know, i need mics

little by little

in theory, I like the idea of the standard/cheap mic
#7
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #7
Gear addict
 
sheltersoton's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Southampton
Posts: 438

sheltersoton is offline
MD421 (kick, bass cab, guitar cab) $350
3 x 57 (snare, toms, cabs) $270
then some condensors to match the left over $ maybe the oktava 012's or 4033's if you can get them cheap enough! .... in dollars, thats not alot for multi application misc eh good luck with it!!!
#8
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #8
Gear Head
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Location: Tampa
Posts: 49

Send a message via AIM to Fast420A
Fast420A is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by pro
in theory, I like the idea of the standard/cheap mic
The transducers have the biggest effect on your sound. Mics and Speakers are where you will notice a difference by doubling your investment as compared to doubling your investment on electronics. For the guy with a $100 preamp, going from a $100 to $200 LDC mic he will almost definately hear a difference. You have already invested a lot in your electronics so don't skimp on your mics since you will notice more of a difference there than if you had skimped on pre's. I would be looking at spending about $2000 on the mics to have a good all around setup. You will want to have a pair of pencil condensors, a few different LDC's, a ribbon mic or 2, a good bass drum mic, some tom mics, a few SM57s or similar, a few SM58s or similar, a tube condensor mic, and that's just getting started.
__________________
Kyle Redding, Social Media for SamAsh.Com
#9
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #9
Lives for gear
 
rainsinvelvet's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Location: California
Posts: 1,241

rainsinvelvet is offline
Don't forget the MXL line of mics. They make a mxl604 small diaphram condenser that comes cardiod ,but includes an omni capsule. I think they sound WAY better than an octava 012 and can be found new for under $100/ ea.
Also you might want to check out the V69 mogami version. It's a toob mic for around $300.00 We shot it out with several other much pricer mics and on this perticular vocalist it won. FWIW.

Other's suggestions sound good too. an SM7 would be nice to use on several things..

Lets see.. so my 2 cents then:
(2) MXL604 $200
(1) MXLV69 $300
(1) Shure SM7 $300 (used)
(2) Shure sm57s $180
Then maybe one of those Nady ribbon mics to round out the collection.

But, as usual there are many different ways to do this thing we call "recording "


ERic
pro
Thread Starter
#10
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #10
Gear addict
 
pro's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 396

Thread Starter
pro is offline
What would you suggest for a good start with 1k, that would allow me for some fun? but not getting crap mics that i will replace, but mics that I can build from.

(57's aside)

thanks so far
#11
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #11
Lives for gear
 
AdamJay's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 2,826

AdamJay is offline
buy used and your money will go much farther...

2x SM57's (guitars, snare, toms, some vox) $120 used
2x Oktava Mk219 (same sources as SM57) $90 used
2x AT4041 (OH, Ac. Guitar, some vox) $450 @ 8thstreet.com
AKG D112 (kick drum, bass cabs) - $120 used
MXL V69 (tube LDC, vox, room, bass cab) $220 used

= $1,000

With that setup you could track a 5 piece rock band. D112/AT4041's/SM57/MK129 for your Drum Kit. 1 57 for lead guitar, 1 MK219 for rhythm guitar, and the V69 on Bass.
Overdub your vocals with the V69.
If they want to track individually, then great... use the V69 as a room mic for drums, and steal the extra dynamic mics for under snare/floor tom.

great records have been made with worse.

If you have a great sounding room to record in, swap the AT4041's for a pair of Avenson STO Omni's at only $50 more.

i own all the mics listed in the configuration listed in this post.
i also own a pair of Beyer M160's, a Beyer M201, a pair of Earthworks TC30k's, an AT4060, a couple ShinyBox 23C's, an ADK Vienna, and a few Sennheiser MD421's.
So i can say that that particular configuration holds its own, with room to expand. I haven't sold any of those mic's.
pro
Thread Starter
#12
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #12
Gear addict
 
pro's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 396

Thread Starter
pro is offline
This is what I was thinking ? (to start)

MD421 (kick, bass cab, guitar cab) ($350)

Beyer M88 (300) or Beyer M69 (200)

2x Shure SM81 ($400) or Avenson STO Omni's (500)

ShinyBox 23L (325)
#13
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #13
Gear addict
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 414

djbrough is offline
MXL V69 Moogami Edition - circa $300
#14
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #14
Lives for gear
 
nathanvacha's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,231

nathanvacha is offline
well i totally love the 421's, so i completely back you on that. For sdc's i would suggest sticking to either the oktavas or the mxl's... mxl's will save you money and should be a little clear-ish i think compared to the oktava's... (though i have never used a sdc from mxl, so anyone feel free to correct me) and the oktava's a tad more color. Also, the mk012's are available with switchable capsules with different polar patterns and have an attach/detachable 10dB pad. And low end people on here have tons of good stuff to say about mxl ldc's, though the only one i have used in the past i did not care for. You could always side with the majority on that one. I'd suggest looking into the sennheiser kick mic (never cared for the d112 or shure b52 and never tried the d6) but you could always stuff the 421 in there (but probably on the "m" setting on the dial) Anyone know how an sm7 would sound on kick? also, back on topic, i've heard samples of different transformer-modded ribbons and some of them sound pretty great (esp on drum overheads!)
#15
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #15
Gear Guru
 
tINY's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: Orygun
Posts: 11,850

tINY is offline


The RE20 is a pretty useful mic. It handles bass and kick well and works well for a lot of voice/vocal recordings.




-tINY

#16
8th February 2006
Old 8th February 2006
  #16
Lives for gear
 
2leod's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: A big Canadian island in the Pacific, but my citizenship is otherworldly...
Posts: 936

2leod is offline
I'd second the RE20 and you can't go wrong with the STO's. Kel HM1's for a neutralish darker flavour.

Not really a locker, more like a mic bag...
__________________
Doug

#17
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #17
Lives for gear
 
rainsinvelvet's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Location: California
Posts: 1,241

rainsinvelvet is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by tINY


The RE20 is a pretty useful mic. It handles bass and kick well and works well for a lot of voice/vocal recordings.
-tINY

Well that goes to show you how different folks use diff. mics to get the job done. I for one have never liked the re20 for anything but bass amp. Even then I usually swap it out for a 421.
Totally YMMV

ERic
#18
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #18
Lives for gear
 
AdamJay's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 2,826

AdamJay is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by pro
This is what I was thinking ? (to start)

MD421 (kick, bass cab, guitar cab) ($350)

Beyer M88 (300) or Beyer M69 (200)

2x Shure SM81 ($400) or Avenson STO Omni's (500)

ShinyBox 23L (325)
yea, tha works
but thats like $1300-$1500

a good bit over your budget, don't you think?
#19
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #19
Lives for gear
 
The Marrvel's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 715

The Marrvel is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast420A
For the guy with a $100 preamp, going from a $100 to $200 LDC mic he will almost definately hear a difference. You have already invested a lot in your electronics so don't skimp on your mics since you will notice more of a difference there than if you had skimped on pre's.
Is this true? I always thought it was the other way around...shouldn't the pre have more effect on sound?
#20
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #20
Jai guru deva om
 
warhead's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 13,739

warhead is offline
Load yourself down with Audix i5's ($99 each) and for a pair of SDC's those MXL 604 are an absolute bargain and sound fine and have omni caps. Get one good LDC (sE2200a / ADK Vienna come to mind) for about $299 and you're done.

If there's any dough left over, grab an APEX 210 ribbon which is a very decent cheap ribbon on a budget.

Those i5's are truly great microphones, a good friend of mine describes them as the best of a 421 / RE20 / SM57. Put 'em all around the kit, on cabs, vocs etc.

War
__________________
Warren Dent, Owner - ZenPro Audio: Gear Now & Zen

#21
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #21
Lives for gear
 
AdamJay's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 2,826

AdamJay is offline
yea i dunno about that statement either (re: "skimping" on mics)....
i think it really just depends.

my MXL V69 sounds phenominal through my Phoenix DRS-2 and for clean stuff my ATI 8mx2. But i prefer it (a $300 mic) through either pre on damn near any source over a Neumann TLM-103 (a $1,000 mic)

that said, i wasn't too crazy about SM57's till i heard them through my DRS-2.

every mic is diff, and every pre is diff.
the trick is finding the right pairing that sounds best on a particular source.
#22
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #22
Gear Guru
 
tINY's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: Orygun
Posts: 11,850

tINY is offline


Generally, the mic has a lot more effect on the sound unless:

- - The pre amp has an EQ or a compressor built in and you are using it liberally
- - You overdrive the pre-amp
- - You have an exeptionally quiet source and an exeptionally noisy pre-amp




-tINY

#23
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #23
Lives for gear
 
Joined: May 2004
Location: canada
Posts: 3,998

manning1 is offline
just my 2 cents.
i think you can build quite a nice mic locker for 1k these days.
if your willing to put in the time for deal hunting.
a lot of good mics have been mentioned.
i'll just suggest some other approaches.
1. old EV dynamics from the 70's, ,,,,sometimes 40 bucks.
2. the tape op mic (for 20 buks) if your into diy.
3. the old shak pzm's. modded can sound interesting on lotsa tracks.
4. that new heil mic for 100 buks some folks really seem to like.
5. crikey...ive even got here some old beat up no name mic that beats out other mics on some tracks for some wierd reason.
6. lets not forget the old shure dynamics.....545.....a lot of people swear by them.
just some ideas.
__________________
i'm just a dumb computer engr (ret'd)...."quantum computing is the future"
running a native software studio daw...Powertracks and Reaper on amd.
new cockney album released http://therockingbloodbrothers.blogspot.com/
my other little songs www.motagator.com/bmanning
pro
Thread Starter
#24
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #24
Gear addict
 
pro's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 396

Thread Starter
pro is offline
This is getting very interesting, thanks everyone.

Is there a good online mic store that will carry most of the mics in this thread? Also, would they offer a return option on mics?

I now have a better idea of what to get.
#25
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #25
Lives for gear
 
Nahuel's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,689

Nahuel is offline
I posted that in another thread:

another test(with audio files) nevaton vs tlm 103 vs 414, n a brunch of other low cost mics (tracked w apogee mini me), that nevaton mic seems to be a nice tool. you can buy it here

hope it will help.
#26
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #26
Lives for gear
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Athens, GA
Posts: 1,173

mltamisin is offline
2 x Oktava's MK012 = $375
3 x Audix i5 + 1 x D6 = $400
1 AT4040 or AT4033 = $225
These are all e-bay prices but funds are limited. Take what you can get. Oktava's aren't so cheap anymore.
#27
9th February 2006
Old 9th February 2006
  #27
Gear addict
 
Reggie Love's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Location: Knebworth
Posts: 338

Reggie Love is offline
Mmmm it's a bit hard for me to think in dollars and US market prices so I'll just say...

Yup! to the SM57.
Yup! to the RE20.
Yup! to the D112 or D12, although there's nothing wrong with the Beta 52 and they seem to be coming up cheap second hand right now in the mad dash to buy the Audix D6 and land yourself with endless EQ taming problems.
Yup! to old Shak PZMs. I recorded an entire live gig with those when I had nothing else to hand.
I don't actually like the SM7, but everybody else here seems to, so I'll shut up now.
__________________
Patience, n. A minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue.
#28
10th February 2006
Old 10th February 2006
  #28
Lives for gear
 
Pohaku's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 1,095

Pohaku is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by pro
This is what I was thinking ? (to start)

MD421 (kick, bass cab, guitar cab) ($350)

Beyer M88 (300) or Beyer M69 (200)

2x Shure SM81 ($400) or Avenson STO Omni's (500)

ShinyBox 23L (325)
Not bad but you can whack the price down quite a bit by buying used.

More common used pricing would be:

MD421 -- $200 (a pretty common price)
Beyer M88 -- $225 (I bought 2 for $129 each)
Beyer M69 -- $100 (I snagged 3 of them for $60 each)

Haven't priced the others but I almost bought some Avensons the other day for $400. For the price of the Shiny Box you have quoted, you should be able to get a used Beyer M500 or M160 (and maybe with cash to spare). Personally I'd go with AT-4041s or Oktavas instead of the SM81s, or if you do some judicious shopping you might be able to pick up a pair of used AT-4051s for $500.
__________________
Yeah I'm an attorney, but everyone needs a day job.
#29
10th February 2006
Old 10th February 2006
  #29
Lives for gear
 
popmann's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Nashville
Posts: 4,690

popmann is offline
Quote:
in theory, I like the idea of the standard/cheap mic
I like the idea of money growing on trees.

And KAte Beckinsale hangin' at my place. Naked.

And of republicans really being the party of small governement and fiscal responsibility.

And that pop stars should be able to carry a tune.

#30
13th February 2006
Old 13th February 2006
  #30
Gear Head
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Location: Tampa
Posts: 49

Send a message via AIM to Fast420A
Fast420A is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by pro
Also, would they offer a return option on mics?
Most won't due to hygiene reasons. Best thing to do is find a place that has display models to try out and then if you do buy it and not like it, sell it on ebay.
New Reply Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn  Submit Thread to Google+ Google+ 
 
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter / Forum
Replies
planet red / Low End Theory
360
TEMAS / So much gear, so little time!
27
maestro / High end
0
Hiwatt / So much gear, so little time!
7
Ruairi / High end
34

Forum Jump

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.