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Eventide H8000 fw Impulse?? Like the real thing??

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Anyone have any opinions or experience of these impulses.
Any good?
Can it in any way compare to the eventide HW unit?


Would it be a great step up from impulses built into Sonars Perfect Space convultion reverb?


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anyone - any thoughts at all?
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Impulses are static. The 8000 is dynamic - hundreds of algos bouncing off each other in wild unexpected ways. It's like a 3D picture of vette vs driving the vette. Very different experiences. The upside, besides cost, to the static impulses is they don't weigh a ton and heat your room in summer. You can lose days messing around with the 8000, a few minutes with static impulses. So they'd be a time saver as well. But, also miss the point entirely.
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Eventide H8000 fw Impulse?? Like the real thing??

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Impulses can be fun but it most cases do not accurately represent the hardware. That said, they could bring unexpected and interesting results.
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Thanks for the replies

Just wondering - are all impulses much of a muchness
or would you expect impulses from the great H8000 to have something special that the lesser varieties of impulses don't have in terms of quality?
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The impulses could be great quality per se. But, they won't evolve over time and interact with the source which is the awesome thing about the Eventide algos. And even with Reverberate or other advanced IR verb you won't be able to tweak the magic in the same way.

That said, this is a pretty cheap way to get a feel for the 8000. Not saying it wouldn't be worth the money, even if they are only a handful of impulses that are useful. Some of those huge spaces are unique.

If you want to play around in an Eventide-esk way for cheap, you could try Valhalla Shimmer: valhalladsp > shimmer
Add some delays, filters, vocorders/harmonizers and with some experimenting (or a lot) you could get close to the algorithmic interaction and control of the 8000.
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There was a thread floating around here a while back (too lazy to search) discussing the use of a modulated delay after a convolution reverb to get far better results.. it seems that this trick was used in the old big-boy lexicon reverbs (the mod delay part, not the convolution part).
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At risk of sounding really stoopid here - what is a modulated delay ?
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At risk of sounding really stoopid here - what is a modulated delay ?
Just like what it sounds like! A delay (more typically a stereo or multi-tap) where the delay time, feedback, etc are modulated (usually by one or more LFOs) so it's not a static echo echo echo, but more of a dynamic/moving delay.
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Just like what it sounds like! A delay (more typically a stereo or multi-tap) where the delay time, feedback, etc are modulated (usually by one or more LFOs) so it's not a static echo echo echo, but more of a dynamic/moving delay.
OK so I imagine a machine can either do this or it can't - I assume it isn't available on all effects units or daws, right?
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Eventides have dynamic ADSRs and envelopes which feed many other parameters dynamically.

Convolutions can't really do any of that. some of them will be ok. like reverbs and some other more basic effects.
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OK so I imagine a machine can either do this or it can't - I assume it isn't available on all effects units or daws, right?
If you're using an impulse in a convolution reverb plugin.. in your DAW's FX chain - create an FX channel/send.. on that channel, put the reverb plugin set to 100% wet, and follow it up with a delay that can do modulation (there are a TON of freebies, chances are your DAW has one already).

Go to KVR and search for free delay plugins.. anything that can be modulated will work.
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I'm not really sure about the authenticity of the guys listings.

Given he states this on at least one item.

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Emu emax factory library sample cd ( in any sample format )
This 1 cd features the original Emax emulator sample library

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We hold copyright on these samples as a product but these can be used totally copyright free on both non commercial and commercial projects by the purchaser.We dont ask for credits on releases or projects and you simply have license once purchased to use the samples we sell on your own projects as and when you like.
not sure how he would have got rights on a factory library to distribute in any format.

But I just don't properly know about that, so.
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Don't waste your time. Get the real thing.


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