Question about sound replacement...

Almost Human · 29th December 2005

So, I've considered picking up some software like Drumagog or Aptrigga to add some samples to drum parts on occasion for metal projects. Considering that I only have 8 inputs on the Firepod (which are all occupied), it would leave me no extra room to add a trigger in the chain. That would also require me to buy some triggers. So, I thought of this option...let me know if you guys think this route would work:

Instead of using triggers, would it be possible to simply record the parts I wanted to add samples to onto 2 separate tracks at once, then replace the duplicate track with the sample I wanted and mix accordingly? For example, in my DAW...I would set up the tracks to record:

1 - Kick
2 - Duplicate Kick
3 - Snare
4 - Duplicate Snare

Etc...and then just replace the duplicate tracks with samples and mix them how I want later? It seems like it would work just fine on first thought. Not only would I not have to buy triggers, but it wouldn't require any additional set-up other than setting the parts to record on an additional track. So, does anyone see why this wouldn't work? Just want to make sure I'm not having a lapse of reason here...

Einstein · 29th December 2005

In the DAW world, you don't even have to worry about that. Why not just duplicate the track once it's in there? Make sure there's not alot of bleed on the track you want to replace and this will make it easier to do so. Especially with something like drumagog. I believe it has a Q adjust before the trigger part of the program too which would come in handy. No real need to trigger, even though it would make life a little easier.

Farview · 1st January 2006

Einstien is right. There is not need for triggers, and there is no need to use valuable hardrive space by actually recording 2 tracks of the same thing. Just record as you normally would, then add a track and duplicate the original recording on the new track. This is only necessary if you want to hear the original drum as well as the sample. If you don't, just insert Druamagog on the track you want to to replace.

AlexLakis · 1st January 2006

Einstein also aludes to something that can be helpful in making the process as easy as possible. If you find that you're not getting all the hits (or getting hits on stuff you DON'T want replaced within the track), try some EQ before the replacer to bring out the snare hits or tom hits or whatever it is you're trying to replace. I've found EQ to be very time-saving when it comes to a noisy snare track. Just crank the frequency(ies) that make the snare stand out, and you'll get much better results, depending on what you're going for.

Almost Human · 3rd January 2006

Thanks guys...the reason that I mentioned recording to 2 tracks instead of just copying one track is because occasionally when I'll copy a track and try to edit it, it will also end up editing the original track I copied from also. So, if I was to copy my kick track and try to replace the kick on the copy, there's times that it would also simultaneously replace the one on the original. By recording and printing to 2 separate tracks, I figured I could avoid those instances. Maybe I just need to fool around and configure my settings (in Audition 1.5) some more...

Einstein · 22nd January 2006

I've noticed this happening before too every now and then. What I do when it starts following edits is make a new audio track and drag the wave into the new one with a new name. I'm sure this is in the preferences somewhere, but I can't find it.

Farview · 25th January 2006

You could also just have Drumagog working as an insert on the track. That way, you aren't editing anything.

29th December 2005	#1
Almost Human Gear addict Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 408 Thread Starter	Question about sound replacement... So, I've considered picking up some software like Drumagog or Aptrigga to add some samples to drum parts on occasion for metal projects. Considering that I only have 8 inputs on the Firepod (which are all occupied), it would leave me no extra room to add a trigger in the chain. That would also require me to buy some triggers. So, I thought of this option...let me know if you guys think this route would work: Instead of using triggers, would it be possible to simply record the parts I wanted to add samples to onto 2 separate tracks at once, then replace the duplicate track with the sample I wanted and mix accordingly? For example, in my DAW...I would set up the tracks to record: 1 - Kick 2 - Duplicate Kick 3 - Snare 4 - Duplicate Snare Etc...and then just replace the duplicate tracks with samples and mix them how I want later? It seems like it would work just fine on first thought. Not only would I not have to buy triggers, but it wouldn't require any additional set-up other than setting the parts to record on an additional track. So, does anyone see why this wouldn't work? Just want to make sure I'm not having a lapse of reason here...

1st January 2006	#3
Farview Gear addict Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 387	Einstien is right. There is not need for triggers, and there is no need to use valuable hardrive space by actually recording 2 tracks of the same thing. Just record as you normally would, then add a track and duplicate the original recording on the new track. This is only necessary if you want to hear the original drum as well as the sample. If you don't, just insert Druamagog on the track you want to to replace. __________________ Jason 'Jay' Walsh Farview Recording - And check out Farview's Rock Drum samples for Drumagog exclusively at the Drumagog store!!!

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29th December 2005	#2
Einstein Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 822	In the DAW world, you don't even have to worry about that. Why not just duplicate the track once it's in there? Make sure there's not alot of bleed on the track you want to replace and this will make it easier to do so. Especially with something like drumagog. I believe it has a Q adjust before the trigger part of the program too which would come in handy. No real need to trigger, even though it would make life a little easier.

1st January 2006	#4
AlexLakis Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,631	Einstein also aludes to something that can be helpful in making the process as easy as possible. If you find that you're not getting all the hits (or getting hits on stuff you DON'T want replaced within the track), try some EQ before the replacer to bring out the snare hits or tom hits or whatever it is you're trying to replace. I've found EQ to be very time-saving when it comes to a noisy snare track. Just crank the frequency(ies) that make the snare stand out, and you'll get much better results, depending on what you're going for.

3rd January 2006	#5
Almost Human Gear addict Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 408 Thread Starter	Thanks guys...the reason that I mentioned recording to 2 tracks instead of just copying one track is because occasionally when I'll copy a track and try to edit it, it will also end up editing the original track I copied from also. So, if I was to copy my kick track and try to replace the kick on the copy, there's times that it would also simultaneously replace the one on the original. By recording and printing to 2 separate tracks, I figured I could avoid those instances. Maybe I just need to fool around and configure my settings (in Audition 1.5) some more...

22nd January 2006	#6
Einstein Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 822	I've noticed this happening before too every now and then. What I do when it starts following edits is make a new audio track and drag the wave into the new one with a new name. I'm sure this is in the preferences somewhere, but I can't find it.

25th January 2006	#7
Farview Gear addict Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 387	You could also just have Drumagog working as an insert on the track. That way, you aren't editing anything.