25th November 2010
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#61 | | Gear addict
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Well, let me make one thing clear. The MC-200 is AMAZING if you consider that it is 59 Euros new. The U87 for example, which is 2400 Euros new, sounds better to my ears, but not 40 times better, like the price makes you think. Do you get my point? The MC-200 is the biggest bang for the buck ever, but that doesnt make it a super mega high end deserted island mic. 
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25th November 2010
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#62 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by drezz  hey kidvybes, how do you like this mc200 mic? i saw that listing on ebay, wow! 59 euros.....sick!!!!! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuberizer Well, let me make one thing clear. The MC-200 is AMAZING if you consider that it is 59 Euros new. | ...gotta go with Tuberizer on this one...I haven't tried it, but he has and his experience with much more costly, high-end mics makes his comments most valuable... 
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25th November 2010
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#63 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by drBill I have it on pretty good authority (wink...wink...) than when these iSK mics are tweaked and ready for import to the US, that they will be pretty kick azz. | ...any projected ETA, dB?...
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26th November 2010
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#64 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Tuberizer Well, let me make one thing clear. The MC-200 is AMAZING if you consider that it is 59 Euros new. The U87 for example, which is 2400 Euros new, sounds better to my ears, but not 40 times better, like the price makes you think. Do you get my point? The MC-200 is the biggest bang for the buck ever, but that doesnt make it a super mega high end deserted island mic. | Just ordered 2 of those, lets see...
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26th November 2010
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#65 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Matti Just ordered 2 of those, lets see...
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Yeah, let us know your opinion when you've had a chance to test em out!!! cheers............
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26th November 2010
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#66 | | Lives for gear
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Wil do...
At least some impressions once I get them
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26th November 2010
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#67 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Matti Just ordered 2 of those, lets see...
Matti | Yeah, I'm interested in your opinion too, please share your experience. Seems that I am the only person here who tried out the MC-200 so far....
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26th November 2010
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#68 | | Lives for gear
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I don´t know when the next project starts, but I can try on my own voice
-speaking, not singing mind you
My mics are on loan out of here so no A/B tests
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26th November 2010
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#69 | | Lives for gear
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...RoxDon of London (manufactured by Shengke) has recently announced the addition of a new 'Classic-Styled' Tube Microphone...the "Stellar" will feature a unique custom 'voiced' capsule, 9 polar patterns, 1970's NOS OTK military grade 6N2P-EV vacuum tube, CMC Teflon tube socket, Cinemag 2480 transformer, WIMA capacitors, solid brass body & grille and an upgraded Gotham GA7C microphone cable...pictures to follow...GS members in the UK might want to keep an eye out...
...this continues the concept of upgrading stock Shengke/TongXin designs with components often found in more expensive "boutique" brands... Cinemag transformers, NOS vintage vacuum tubes, Gotham cabling and premium German WIMA caps, thus further blurring the lines between entry-level OEM product and more costly premium brands...
...1970's NOS OTK Russian military grade 6N2P-EV vacuum tubes below...
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27th November 2010
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#70 | | Gear addict
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I bought a MC 200 for 59 euro's to see what the fuzz is about... It actually smokes an AKG Perception 200... For 59 Euro, its an awesome mic!
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27th November 2010
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#72 | | Lives for gear
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Your link suggests so many uses for that generic capsule that I doubt
you don´t know so much of the mic constructions listed
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27th November 2010
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#73 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Tuberizer Well, let me make one thing clear. The MC-200 is AMAZING if you consider that it is 59 Euros new. The U87 for example, which is 2400 Euros new, sounds better to my ears, but not 40 times better, like the price makes you think. Do you get my point? The MC-200 is the biggest bang for the buck ever, but that doesnt make it a super mega high end deserted island mic. | Hi Tuberizer, just ordered one of these, so thanks for the heads-up. Could you tell me what size shockmount fits it?
Thanks very much.
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28th November 2010
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#75 | | Lives for gear
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...oh yeah...and I love his website banner graphics.. Wide Gain Trading Ltd | |
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28th November 2010
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#76 | | Lives for gear
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Capsule #3 has the 47 hole pattern and is obviously the same capsule offered by a certain modder (for only 10x the price!).
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28th November 2010
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#77 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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No changes here I see - misinformation and innuendo abound. Yes I swore off Gearslutz. But my Google Alerts found recent posts to this thread that call out for comment.
There is more than one manufacturer of K47 style capsules in China. The common white retaining rings are used by more than one manufacturer. It is not possible to tell if the capsules pictured here were made by Ningbo Tongxin...
...but if they were, these are not MJE-K47 capsules that are built and tuned to my specifications then individually tested in a large anechoic chamber and performance-documented. All of which I pay dearly for because I'm not buying a stock, untested product. I've asked my supplier to jump through hoops, which they are capable of and willing to do - for a higher price. Btw - it is not uncommon in China for an employee of a company to set up a separate "trading agent" firm to sell the employer's untested or out-of-spec products through different channels - I know of one trading agent that was shut down by the manufacturer for engaging in this practice behind the back of his employer.
If this was Klaus Heyne's forum he would demand real name disclosure and factual citation of proof - not innuendo posted under anonymous user names. I can't demand that of course, but I can respectfully ask to be left out of ill-informed and frankly, incorrect innuendo masquerading as "factual" posts. Unless you've been on the ground in multiple Chinese mic factories and met the engineers and senior management, you just don't have the facts - either acoustical / electrical or financial.
Talking to "trading agents", looking at manufacturer websites and emailing front-line sales people is no substitute for factory tours, negotiating prices to get guaranteed proof-of-performance and finally - paying the bills to travel to China and make the high quantity purchases required to get a manufacturer's attention and have them deliver quantified (as specified) performance in custom capsule and microphone products.
Oh btw - the price of my MJE-K47 modification suite is not a raw capsule price. The price listed is for an extensive suite of electrical and acoustical modifications performed by me to a user-supplied mic and delivered with a five-year guarantee. But I'm always happy to encourage DIY'ers to continue down the DIY path - its fun, can be frustrating but is always educational. Besides, DIYer's don't fit my client profile so I'm not losing any business. My clients value their time and are happy to retain me to deliver guaranteed results while they concentrate on making and recording music.
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28th November 2010
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#78 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Michael_Joly Yes I swore off Gearslutz. But my Google Alerts found recent posts to this thread that call out for comment.
There are more than one manufacturer of K47 style capsules in China. The common white retaining rings are used by more than one manufacturer. It is not possible to tell if the capsules pictured here were made by Ningbo Tongxin...
...but if they were, these are not MJE-K47 capsules that are built and tuned to my specifications then individually tested in a large anechoic chamber and performance-documented. | ...and then marked up 600%! lol!  | |
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28th November 2010
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#79 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by newmod Hi Tuberizer, just ordered one of these, so thanks for the heads-up. Could you tell me what size shockmount fits it?
Thanks very much. | Did you buy it from the ebay-seller I posted the link from? If so they send a shockmount with the mic. So no need to buy a seperate shockmount | |
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28th November 2010
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#80 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by FredYeah I bought a MC 200 for 59 euro's to see what the fuzz is about... It actually smokes an AKG Perception 200... For 59 Euro, its an awesome mic! | Good! So you would affirm what I wrote about the MC-200?
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28th November 2010
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#81 | | Lives for gear
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What some people right to save their business... it's crazy because it seems as if the only thing a certain modder offers is a capsule swap... not the fact he changes caps and tunes the mic... I mean damn... if just a single post can make someone come out of retirement....
The fact is I spoke to the dealer directly. You have a problem with that? Cool. This is a great connection. Not some bs....
Thank you and have a nice day.
p.s. The guy is a business man in Hong Kong he trades with the factory and is very nice. Some modders are just rude and say things that are very disrespectful for no reason at all except self profit. Great! | |
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28th November 2010
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#82 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Tuberizer Did you buy it from the ebay-seller I posted the link from? If so they send a shockmount with the mic. So no need to buy a seperate shockmount | That's great. I did buy from them, unfortunately my German isn't what it should be 
Thanks again for the rec, looking forward to getting my hands on this. It will be my very first microphone. I'll try to get some clips up ASAP.
Cheers
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28th November 2010
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#83 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Michael_Joly No changes here I see - misinformation and innuendo abound. Yes I swore off Gearslutz. But my Google Alerts found recent posts to this thread that call out for comment.
There is more than one manufacturer of K47 style capsules in China. The common white retaining rings are used by more than one manufacturer. It is not possible to tell if the capsules pictured here were made by Ningbo Tongxin...
...but if they were, these are not MJE-K47 capsules that are built and tuned to my specifications then individually tested in a large anechoic chamber and performance-documented. All of which I pay dearly for because I'm not buying a stock, untested product. I've asked my supplier to jump through hoops, which they are capable of and willing to do - for a higher price. Btw - it is not uncommon in China for an employee of a company to set up a separate "trading agent" firm to sell the employer's untested or out-of-spec products through different channels - I know of one trading agent that was shut down by the manufacturer for engaging in this practice behind the back of his employer. | ...MJ, please keep in mind this thread was started before anyone knew of your joint venture with iSK...there was never any intent to undermind your business or credibility...in fact, the purpose of this thread was to highlight the exceptional quality of product coming from these particular companies in China...and as for the seller "myboy1979", he has been hawking these same goods for well over a year now on eBay...
...yes, there are other sources for "white" capsules in China, but varying bolt patterns on the retaining rings identify different manufacturers...of course, this is all supposition on my part, and I have no doubt that QC standards will vary based on each customer's specifications when contracting production...and efficient QC is more crucial to capsule production than probably any other component in a mic's construction...
...I would certainly agree that anyone suggesting that the capsules selling on eBay for $35 are identical to the ones you employ is definitively incorrect...my brief correspondence with TongXin confirmed many options were available in detailing product specifications along with committment to strict quantity guidelines for proprietary product... Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael_Joly Talking to "trading agents", looking at manufacturer websites and emailing front-line sales people is no substitute for factory tours, negotiating prices to get guaranteed proof-of-performance and finally - paying the bills to travel to China and make the high quantity purchases required to get a manufacturer's attention and have them deliver quantified (as specified) performance in custom capsule and microphone products. | ...agreed...no argument there...
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28th November 2010
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#84 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by kidvybes ...MJ...there was never any intent to undermind your business or credibility... | Perhaps you don't have that intent, others obviously do when they post ill-informed, erroneous and frankly libelous opinions stated as fact: Quote:
Originally Posted by MadGuitrst Capsule #3 has the 47 hole pattern and is obviously the same capsule offered by a certain modder (for only 10x the price!). | Quote:
Originally Posted by hgen ...and then marked up 600%! lol! | Quote:
Originally Posted by mista min ...the only thing a certain modder offers is a capsule swap... Great! | Quote:
Originally Posted by kidvybes ...of course, this is all supposition on my part... | . Thank you for acknowledging the difference between your supposition and actual facts. This community would be better served with more fact and less supposition. Quote:
Originally Posted by kidvybes ...I would certainly agree that anyone suggesting that the capsules selling on eBay for $35 are identical to the ones you employ is definitively incorrect... | Again, thank you for that clarification.
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28th November 2010
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#85 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Michael_Joly This community would be better served with more fact and less supposition. | ...well, when all the manufacturers, modders and resellers are forthcoming enough to clarify their specific sources and cost to profit ratios (in other words, "when pigs fly") there will be much less room for supposition...  | |
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28th November 2010
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#86 | | Lives for gear
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Bottom line here is a great source for nice capsules at an incredible price!
What more do you want, folks? It's good news, so why not keep it positive...
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28th November 2010
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#87 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by kidvybes ...well, when all the manufacturers, modders and resellers are forthcoming enough to clarify their specific sources and cost to profit ratios (in other words, "when pigs fly") there will be much less room for supposition... | Oh come on Dennis, take some accountability. Posting libelous information as the more euphemistic-sounding "supposition" and then suggesting I should reveal trade secrets (to preclude more suppostion) is absurd. You don't have the facts and your positing of suppostion only emboldens even more far fetched libel from other members here.
This is just another example of why I am out of GS - but reserve my right to call statements libelous when they occur.
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28th November 2010
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#88 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Michael_Joly Perhaps you don't have that intent, others obviously do when they post ill-informed, erroneous and frankly libelous opinions stated as fact:
. Thank you for acknowledging the difference between your supposition and actual facts. This community would be better served with more fact and less supposition.
Again, thank you for that clarification. | Speaking of clarification, I thought elvis had left the Forum?  | |
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28th November 2010
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#89 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Michael_Joly Oh come on Dennis, take some accountability. Posting libelous information as the more euphemistic-sounding "supposition" and then suggesting I should reveal trade secrets (to preclude more suppostion) is absurd. You don't have the facts and your positing of suppostion only emboldens even more far fetched libel.
This is just another example of why I am out of GS - but reserve my right to call statements libelous when they occur. | He's annoyed with you dennis! I think you hit a nerve!!
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28th November 2010
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#90 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Michael_Joly Oh come on Dennis, take some accountability. Posting libelous information as the more euphemistic-sounding "supposition" and then suggesting I should reveal trade secrets (to preclude more suppostion) is absurd. You don't have the facts and your positing of suppostion only emboldens even more far fetched libel from other members here. | ...MJ, I thought that by putting that " " smiley at the end of my post, you would realize that I was only being facetious...of course, no one expects you or any other credible vendor to reveal such business specifics...it has never been I who suggested your capsules are the same as those on eBay, and it was you who posted your association with this manufacturer on this very thread in the first place, so naturally those with ill-intent will make certain disparaging assumptions...
...once again, I assure you, no ill intent has ever been a motive here, and with your kind permission (and those who's foolish intent is to turn this into another "bash-up" thread), I'd like to re-focus the discussion to the original purpose of this thread, the merits of these Shengke/TongXin products, regardless of what brand or distributor is involved... Quote:
Originally Posted by slaphappy Bottom line here is a great source for nice capsules at an incredible price!
What more do you want, folks? It's good news, so why not keep it positive... | ...there ya' go!... | |
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