cubase SX3 vs nuendo 2

[thatfritzguy]

so I've been trying to research SX3 a little. after suggestion that it will fit my budget more comfortably. but finding it hard to get info about the post features in SX3. i originaly was going to try to buy nuendo 2 second hand, ive had nuendo 1 for the last few years. so what post features does SX3 have? different features between SX3 and Nuendo 2? any links that have this info?
thanks again

[jdg]

http://www.planetmicro.com/Cubase_Nu...son_Chart1.pdf

[thatfritzguy]

YOU RULE!!!

[Ziggy!!]

Well its a little more complex than what that list shows. Nuendo 2 is different from Nuendo 3 and Cubase SX 3.

For one Cubase SX 3 includes automatic delay compensation and also the ability to edit midi tracks from the track window (in nuendo 2 you have to open the midi piano roll to edit midi tracks).

If I didn't have to touch post stuff I'd choose SX 3 over Nuendo 2. It has a lot of small features and changes that makes it much nicer to use imo.

[RecTechMin]

nuendo's latest update adds speaker switching, headphone mixing, talkback, and other basic features found in a console's master section -- supposedly steinberg isn't going to add these features to cubase. so, it looks like the divide between cubase and nuendo is no longer between just music and post/media production. it looks like they are trying to make cubase a crippled version of nuendo even in music production.

at one point, cubase was going to be their flagship music production program. it seems this may be shifting for the worse. beware!

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by RecTechMin

nuendo's latest update adds speaker switching, headphone mixing, talkback, and other basic features found in a console's master section -- supposedly steinberg isn't going to add these features to cubase. so, it looks like the divide between cubase and nuendo is no longer between just music and post/media production. it looks like they are trying to make cubase a crippled version of nuendo even in music production.

at one point, cubase was going to be their flagship music production program. it seems this may be shifting for the worse. beware!

Wow! that sounds like a bit of a misguided statement. I doubt you will find a Cubase SX user out there that will say their software is "crippleware". As for Nuendo users... I'm sure they are happy that they are getting a little more for there money... since Nuendo is almost 4 times the price of Cubase and all

[RecTechMin]

but it is crippleware. okay, you want me to say "nuendo-lite" to make you feel better? okay, nuendo-lite.

as you pointed out, they are withholding certain features to make the $2000 nuendo price tag "worth it." and they do this contrary to their marketing which posits that cubase is for music production and nuendo for post. (refer to the site.) just some misleading marketing. nothing too surprising, i guess.

i think people should just know that steinberg takes nuendo more seriously than cubase. i wish someone told me that before i got cubase. that's all i was saying.

[Ziggy!!]

pfft... Yeah Nuendo does more! how fcuking ridiculous it that! Why won't cubase do it too but cost four times less!

Now there's some rational thinking for you





So Steinberg doesn't take Cubase as seriously as Nuendo because they decide to add a few features to the latter? Where does one pull such rubbish from? Cubase does music and it does it well... Maybe you should beat yourself up for the purchase you are obivously regretting instead of flaunting such ridiculous tripe.


Another case of people wanting everything for nothing. How Naive.

[RecTechMin]

lemme repeat myself real sloooowwwww, so as not to overwhelm your limited intellect.

steinberg markets cubase as their MUSIC production all-in-one package.

steinberg markets nuendo as its all-in-one POST production package.

check their website. go to www.steinberg.net. you can copy and paste that web address if your limited neurons can't retain that information.

the 3.2 update gives nuendo a nice new MUSIC production feature -- headphone monitoring and talkback. steinberg has made it clear they will NOT be adding this music production feature to cubase, their "music production program."

why? because it's becoming increasingly clear that DESPITE misleading marketing, cubase is merely a nuendo-lite. the two programs are NOT being developed as separate solutions to two very different markets -- music vs. post. steinberg is withholding MUSIC production features so as not to cannibalize nuendo's sales. i think people should know that before purchasing cubase.

the fact is, the marketing is misleading and others should know that before purchasing. 'cause steinberg ain't gonna tell them.

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Another case of people wanting everything for nothing. How Naive.

i'd be happy to pay for these new features a la carte. unfortunately, they don't offer that option.

so if you want the latest and greatest music production features, you gotta buy nuendo with all the post/media functions you don't need. it's a shame they didn't stick to their marketing plan because it was a good one.

so to those who are checking out steinberg's offering, know that their "two separate solutions" marketing is b.s. they are developing cubase as a crippled nuendo.

now do you get it? no, i'm sure you don't.

[Ziggy!!]

Oh no, I get it... You are angry about your purchase.

Its common suit in these parts to spit and slander a company when you are the slightest bit annoyed or don't get what you want.


Give the baby his dummy.

[RecTechMin]

no slander. i'm just playing hard to get.

[tuf]

I'm with the slanderous dude. Steinberg ran out of cool post stuff to tack onto Nuendo (for the annual paid update cycle) so now theyre dipping into Cubases pool of holdouts! Not fair!

[King Of Spain]

i'm with slanderous dude as well. it's all the same math on the music crunching and now Steinberg has made a strategic marketing decision to software hoard on features so that they can bump serious music production users up into Nuendo upgrades.

[Bravin Neff]

I dunno, I read (and re read) the steinberg site and I thought it was pretty clear Nuendo was for "Media Production," not necessarily just "post production."

That obviously includes post production, for which Cubase and can go pretty far as well.

I always thought it was clearly understood that Cubase catered to song writing and creativity efforts, whereas Nuendo catered to the professional production side of things. Obviously this distinction is far from clear anymore, and there exists a ton of overlap, but never has Cubase been marketed as appropropriate for being the centerpiece of a professional recording studio. The fact it can it perform this role (and perform it well) is a testament to the power of the product, but I don't think that, through the course of the evolution of the product, has it been attempted to lead people into believing it was intended in this way.

I've been on cubase since VST 3.x. I loved 3.72 r2. I hated VST 5.0. I loved SX1.06 and think SX3 is the business. I love Nuendo, and think these new mixer busses are a great addition. Been missing that forever. That would be cool if Cubase got the additions, but I perfectly well understand not giving them to Cubase.

[drummin4christ]

This post on www.cubase.net clearly states that Cubase will get the software side of the new control room features being added to Nuendo.

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=28835

I personally love cubase and think it can perform very well in a professional setting. I never feel hindered in any way by the program and I feel I have been able to make some great recordings with it.