Song with GAP 73 pre

[tysonviolin]

Originally Posted by Jeffguitar

Yeah, and we could have saved money by not fighting Hitler as well. Good idea? Hey, we could just disband the military all together and save a ton of money. Then we could just give everything to everyone, all for free.

lol @ people comparing everything to Hitler. So you are saying that after Iran invades 5 or 6 of it's neighbors we should attack them? Or.... uh what DO you mean??????

[tysonviolin]

I just noticed that AMS is now carrying the Golden age line. 2 pres are $200/month for 3 months.... It's hard to beat that.

[RTR]

Sorry to tell you but there are a few American companies making BIG NONEY off these wars, war=$..Always has. and for Hitler. Huh, maybe our country would be better off if Israel was not controlling it/owning it!! YMMV but I don’t care!

[aclarson]

Originally Posted by tysonviolin

Yes, but we seem to love wars more than health
Also, to the poster who stated that Obama is causing anti-Americanism around the globe: Where in the world you get your info? Didn't American hate peak several years ago?

It did indeed, in fact, just in 2009, world opinion improved from us being the 7th most admired nation to the 1st according to the the NBI, who conducts worldwide polling.

U.S. most admired country globally: survey | Reuters

"What's really remarkable is that in all my years studying national reputation, I have never seen any country experience such a dramatic change in its standing as we see for the United States for 2009," said Simon Anholt, the founder of NBI, which measured the global image of 50 countries each year.

"There is no other explanation," Anholt said in an interview, referring to the impact of Obama.

[aclarson]

Originally Posted by tysonviolin

I just noticed that AMS is now carrying the Golden age line. 2 pres are $200/month for 3 months.... It's hard to beat that.

Thanks for the tip! I didn't know they started carrying it.

[soulata]

Originally Posted by Jeffguitar

Yeah, and we could have saved money by not fighting Hitler as well. Good idea? Hey, we could just disband the military all together and save a ton of money. Then we could just give everything to everyone, all for free.

Ideally, yes (about the military).

WWII was financially great for US. Was it Rockefellers getting cash from both sides or was it someone else?

Of course that wasn't the single reason for going to war but one of the stronger ones. As is oil/pipes in Iran/Iraq or natural gas in South America. Remember Pinochet?

All in all, I think US did as much harm as the other guy you mentioned, but the joke is always on "the ****s". Eh, not worth going into this.

Anyway, GAP owners, are upgrades worth it?

I like it as it is for my project/demo studio. WillI notice the difference with my mics (RE20, Rode NT5, NT1, and some other budget choices).

k

[CZ101]

Originally Posted by Jeffguitar

Yeah, and we could have saved money by not fighting Hitler as well. Good idea? Hey, we could just disband the military all together and save a ton of money. Then we could just give everything to everyone, all for free.

The Bush/Reagan cabal wanted Hussein in power and virtually gave him the green light to invade Kuwait. Ever seen the picture of Don Rumsfeld shaking his hand? That shit is real.

We equipped Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war with chemical weapons which he in turn used against the Kurds. Why don't you ever hear about that on Fox news?

Get off the Murdoch crack.

The only meaningful similarity between the situation in Iraq and the U.S.'s relationship with the 3rd Reich is that George Prescott Bush (W.'s grandfather) sold Zyclon B to the ****s in a parallel fashion to George H.W. Bush opening the chemical weapons vaults for Hussein while director of the CIA under Carter. Any other analogy between the U.S.'s approach to Hitler and Hussein is best fit for a grade school report on "What is a dictator?" There is no strong international or unilateral historical equivalency between the two circumstances. Read a little bit about it - I can get you some links if you want.

[kidvybes]

Originally Posted by aclarson

It did indeed, in fact, just in 2009, world opinion improved from us being the 7th most admired nation to the 1st according to the the NBI, who conducts worldwide polling.

U.S. most admired country globally: survey | Reuters

Originally Posted by CZ101

The Bush/Reagan cabal wanted Hussein in power and virtually gave him the green light to invade Kuwait. Ever seen the picture of Don Rumsfeld shaking his hand? That shit is real.

We equipped Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war with chemical weapons which he in turn used against the Kurds. Why don't you ever hear about that on Fox news?

Get off the Murdoch crack.

The only meaningful similarity between the situation in Iraq and the U.S.'s relationship with the 3rd Reich is that George Prescott Bush (W.'s grandfather) sold Zyclon B to the ****s in a parallel fashion to George H.W. Bush opening the chemical weapons vaults for Hussein while director of the CIA under Carter. Any other analogy between the U.S.'s approach to Hitler and Hussein is best fit for a grade school report on "What is a dictator?" There is no strong international or unilateral historical equivalency between the two circumstances. Read a little bit about it - I can get you some links if you want.

...well said!...finally, some posters with some real documentable historic insight...

Originally Posted by RTR

Sorry to tell you but there are a few American companies making BIG NONEY off these wars, war=$..Always has.

...yeah like Cheney (Halliburton) and Rumsfeld?...

Originally Posted by RTR

and for Hitler. Huh, maybe our country would be better off if Israel was not controlling it/owning it!! YMMV but I don’t care!

...there goes that Murdoch crack again!...

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by CZ101

The Bush/Reagan cabal wanted Hussein in power and virtually gave him the green light to invade Kuwait. Ever seen the picture of Don Rumsfeld shaking his hand? That shit is real.

We equipped Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war with chemical weapons which he in turn used against the Kurds. Why don't you ever hear about that on Fox news?

Get off the Murdoch crack.

Damn that Mr Kane!

I think one of reasons people entered the war was, 'we ****ed this up once, we should set this right'. And I agree with that sentiment. But it seems that the only way we think can put things right is with more wars. Now that's the sad truth. My point is that anyone who was thinking of just giving up on the middle east must understand that we're far too deeply involved to just pull out and have been for 20 years.

If there's anything that history should teach governments (or my BA taught me) about creating political stability, it's not renege upon the political commitments of their predecessors.

So let me turn the point on Hitler back around.
America created in the late 20's Hitler when it refused to bailout the Weimar Republic. America created Hitler in 1918 when it refused to hold together the League of Nations. America created Hitler from the Truman Doctrine onwards as a scapegoat for the poor quality of its international interventions.

Anyway. Counting the days till I can buy the pre-73, a most excellent Northern European rework of American innovation.

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by tysonviolin

Yes, but we seem to love wars more than health
Also, to the poster who stated that Obama is causing anti-Americanism around the globe: Where in the world you get your info? Didn't American hate peak several years ago?

You didn't read very well.

Listen.

If you have a family and Dad sees that something is important to do and
mom decides she disagrees and rags on dad to the kids and all the
neighbors. What do you think the out come is going to be?

People love negative press. So if you even make shit up about people and
say it long enough, the kids will believe it and the neighbors will believe it
too... thanks to the big mouth of the bitchy wife... a 'la Democrats.

The Democratic congress waged war against the presidency of President
Bush. In may ways they succeeded and yes, the crest, as you put it, was
during that time. However, President Obama can't do enough right or say
enough right to get people to listen to him so, as before, "if we keep
saying enough shit about the last guy, it will make us look good".



And, being from the same state as President Bush and having a similar mindset... No we don't love war more than insurance but insurance doesn't mean a damn thing if terrorists have blown up all the hospitals. Your new buddy Obama just sent more troops to Afghanistan. I guess that means he loves war more too, right? I mean if the logic is good for one, then it is for the other.

And what about the congressional democratics in President Bush's term? THEY NEARLY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES WHILE SEEING THE SAME INTEL as he did. But with a successful campaign, they smeared him and made him to be lair when in fact, they are the big mouth bitchy wives who originally felt the same way.

meh... politics bite.

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

You didn't read very well.

Listen.

If you have a family and Dad sees that something is important to do and
mom decides she disagrees and rags on dad to the kids and all the
neighbors. What do you think the out come is going to be?

People love negative press. So if you even make shit up about people and
say it long enough, the kids will believe it and the neighbors will believe it
too... thanks to the big mouth of the bitchy wife... a 'la Democrats.

The Democratic congress waged war against the presidency of President
Bush. In may ways they succeeded and yes, the crest, as you put it, was
during that time. However, President Obama can't do enough right or say
enough right to get people to listen to him so, as before, "if we keep
saying enough shit about the last guy, it will make us look good".



And, being from the same state as President Bush and having a similar mindset... No we don't love war more than insurance but insurance doesn't mean a damn thing if terrorists have blown up all the hospitals. Your new buddy Obama just sent more troops to Afghanistan. I guess that means he loves war more too, right? I mean if the logic is good for one, then it is for the other.

And what about the congressional democratics in President Bush's term? THEY NEARLY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED YES WHILE SEEING THE SAME INTEL as he did. But with a successful campaign, they smeared him and made him to be lair when in fact, they are the big mouth bitchy wives who originally felt the same way.

meh... politics bite.

What's funny is your very accurately describing the American right wing press as it's viewed by the rest of the world. Hey you could still be right. But honestly I think your family based metaphor details the limits of your understanding of global politics.

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by Tarkovsky

What's funny is your very accurately describing the American right wing press as it's viewed by the rest of the world. Hey you could still be right. But honestly I think the way your family based metaphor details the limits of your understanding of global politics.

I agree that both play that game.

And no, my example doesn't. It makes the point very clear. Human nature is what it is.

[ThunderShepherd]

Originally Posted by Jeffguitar

Yeah, and we could have saved money by not fighting Hitler as well. Good idea? Hey, we could just disband the military all together and save a ton of money. Then we could just give everything to everyone, all for free.

you just sound like an idiot when you say stuff like that. What are you doing exactly, comparing Hitler to Al Qaeda?

I just think it's funny (sad) when Republicans and "conservatives" suddenly care about government spending. So far, we've spent about 1.5-2 trillion dollars in Iraq/Afghanistan. In the next 10 years it will be about another 1-1.5 trillion. You're cool with spending roughly 3-4 trillion dollars basically fueling the fire? I'm sure we'll have many more new enemies born from this conflict.

i'd much rather spend 1 trillion dollars trying to reform healthcare (even though the bill has already been butchered into nothing by democrats appeasing republicans).

to put that into perspective:

1 GAP pre = $299.00
1 "war on terror" = $3,500,000,000,000.00


with prices like that the war should be moved to the High End forum.



P.S. i wonder if we can mod the war to make it sound better.

[tysonviolin]

Maybe mom is right and dad is just an @$$hole. Bush pretty much told the world to F itself and you think the press made him look bad??? The press never sided with international law. The press hardly sided with Valery Plame and Joe Wilson. The press all but ignored the lies of the Bush administration about WMDs in Iraq. The press hardly wrote a thing about our rights stripped under the patriot act. The press represents the rich just as the GOP does as well as many of the mainstream dems. I don't understand how people can buy into that stuff. When did terrorists try to bomb a hospital? I have a better chance of being run over by a truck on my way to the post office. I don't prescribe to fear. Let's not forget Ben Franklin's comment "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

I agree that both play that game.

And no, my example doesn't. It makes the point very clear. Human nature is what it is.

That's exactly it, you profess to know what human nature is, as if this can be expressed through one simple understanding of it that can be gleaned through suburban America. That is to an outsider, incredibly inward looking. You have the whole of human history, pre history, or even anthropology, poetry, art, music open to you... and you'd rather use this paradigm of tell tales and dirty laundry. Why?

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by ThunderShepherd

1 GAP pre = $299.00
1 "war on terror" = $3,500,000,000,000.00

Hilarious. Did you know that we have, psychologically, little understanding of figures above a million, because they have no relation to our normal lives.

I'd like to point out that price is fixed, cost is not.

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by Jeffguitar

BigGovHealth | Health Care Horror Stories Check this out and tell me you have a good health system in the UK. Sorry, Americans are glad to pay for the best, we don't like socialism here.

This is actually rubbish, it's been on our news and people have been outraged. Go look it up on the bbc. There are lots of problems with the NHS, sure, but there are problems with every healthcare system. The difference is that we treat everyone because we believe everyone deserves to be treated, we afford it, and it works. I've been treated by the NHS my whole life. Sure cueing for a doctor can be a pain in the ass, and things go wrong (Doctors are people too you know) but that doesn't invalidate the massive use of it.

Over here when we got wind of this the country was honestly shocked and appalled. Even our most conservative politicians wouldn't even consider cutting back on the NHS, even during a financial crisis like this, because they know the value of it, as both human and economic.

What's hilarious is you declare liberal media proganda, and sure it has definite political goals, but this, this is just absolute 'claptrap'.

Some anecdotal evidence

Everyone in my family has been treated by the NHS for conditions ranging from cancer to small cists, to sore throats to injuries. Problems we've had a long the way... some and none that you might not expect from a private system. Furthermore everyone's been treated.

Now if I were to compare that list of people on the website to the millions of Americans without healthcare... who has the worst system? Don't be a fool. Even economically it makes sense to keep your workforce healthy, especially an ageing workforce.

[unitymusic]

I'm sure if everyone just keeps calling each other "conservative", "liberal", "democrat", "republican" etc.. we can isolate everyone and attack those who disagree, which is what everyone wants? Then this world will straighten itself out in a more humane and accepting way in no time... Thanks for the progress!

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by tysonviolin

Maybe mom is right and dad is just an @$$hole. Bush pretty much told the world to F itself and you think the press made him look bad??? The press never sided with international law. The press hardly sided with Valery Plame and Joe Wilson. The press all but ignored the lies of the Bush administration about WMDs in Iraq. The press hardly wrote a thing about our rights stripped under the patriot act. The press represents the rich just as the GOP does as well as many of the mainstream dems. I don't understand how people can buy into that stuff. When did terrorists try to bomb a hospital? I have a better chance of being run over by a truck on my way to the post office. I don't prescribe to fear. Let's not forget Ben Franklin's comment "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

How did he do that, exactly. It seems to my limited perception that we were told "ya got attacked, we don't want to be so go F yourself and deal with it"... this, after decades of being the most generous nation in the world."(documented fact) Help me see your point of view.

How were your rights encroached upon exactly? And even if they were, the world is in an unusual place. Those who want to kill women and babies and hide behind them to do so don't give a rip about rules of engagement or what is right or wrong. If they have becomeso hard to guard against, I gladly give a portion of my rights to be safe.

You want to give up your rights for healthcare, why not for the safety of your family? LOL

Originally Posted by Tarkovsky

That's exactly it, you profess to know what human nature is, as if this can be expressed through one simple understanding of it that can be gleaned through suburban America. That is to an outsider, incredibly inward looking. You have the whole of human history, pre history, or even anthropology, poetry, art, music open to you... and you'd rather use this paradigm of tell tales and dirty laundry. Why?

Instead of rasing cain about the WAY I said it. Tell me what is the right view. Where am I wrong?

You guys sound like someone saying:

"Quit spending my freaking money on protection... give me some free stuff like healthcare. Buy me a car or something. No one will attack us... trust me. Let's just go and say some nice things and every thing will be ok. Quit asking me for anything."

[soulata]

Originally Posted by ThunderShepherd

y
to put that into perspective:

1 GAP pre = $299.00
1 "war on terror" = $3,500,000,000,000.00


with prices like that the war should be moved to the High End forum.

Thank you Quote of the day for sure.

I prefer 11705685618,7 GAP preamps to any war.

k

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by unitymusic

I'm sure if everyone just keeps calling each other "conservative", "liberal", "democrat", "republican" etc.. we can isolate everyone and attack those who disagree, which is what everyone wants? Then this world will straighten itself out in a more humane and accepting way in no time... Thanks for the progress!

Well said. I'm out.


Good health and safety to all.

[soulata]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

You guys sound like someone saying:

"Quit spending my freaking money on protection... give me some free stuff like healthcare. Buy me a car or something. No one will attack us... trust me. Let's just go and say some nice things and every thing will be ok. Quit asking me for anything."

This seems about right to me

k

[kidvybes]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

The Democratic congress waged war against the presidency of President
Bush. In may ways they succeeded and yes, the crest, as you put it, was
during that time. However, President Obama can't do enough right or say
enough right to get people to listen to him so, as before, "if we keep
saying enough shit about the last guy, it will make us look good".

...your viewpoint is so skewed, that it's mind-boggling...if the Dems were as successful and efficient at "waging war" against the opposing party's administration as the Republicans are, we would never have had a second Bush term (even with the manipulated Ohio votes)...

...since Obama took office, have you heard any real constructive criticism from the right wing?...no...just repetitive attacks at any opportunity...constant negativity...these "haters" are waging an never-ending assault on this administration that is fueled solely by a need to regain control, with little or no concern for what is good for the mass of American society...power mongers, ready to re-ignite the "greed revolution" initiated by Ron Reagan (trickle-down this!)...same old tricks, same old motives...

...and for all those still bitchin' about "buying Chinese goods", wake up and smell the coffee...if the US stops buying Chinese, then the Chinese call in our debts, dump our currency and we take a slide that would make the great depression look like a holiday...recognize, there's no more "US economy"...there's a "global economy" and US/Chinese relations are the balancing act upon which all others depend...so shut up and pass the kung pow chicken...

...oh, and by the way...if the American car companies and the oil company lobbyists hadn't stonewalled Jimmy Carter's alternative energy initiatives, there would not be a need for any "war on terrorism", because the "black gold" that fuels all of the terrorist activity would have become much less valuable and profitable, thereby diffusing the energy/power structure of the entire middle-east...

...now, about that GAP PRE-73...

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

"Quit spending my freaking money on protection... give me some free stuff like healthcare. Buy me a car or something. No one will attack us... trust me. Let's just go and say some nice things and every thing will be ok. Quit asking me for anything."

More people die every year on roads alone (let's not get into lack of healthcare and crap American diet) than any terrorist attack could achieve. The point is you feel threatened.

Well then clearly terrorism has achieved it's goal as far as you are concerned.

What you asked of me is a single answer. And that's exactly what I'm not going to give you. That's the point. You have to think every time you make a decision and appraise politics without such prejudices. You can't wave a flag or an ideology at a social or political problem and hope it will just disappear whether thats left, right, black white liberal or conservative.

What I'm saying as an alternative is show open mindedness. Just like I'll listen to you when you say that a media campaign was waged against Bush... as far as I can see, you're right, sure as hell was. Bit you should be open minded as to why. You could go with this 'liberals are fags' nonsense, but isn't that a bit childish? Does it give issues the consideration they deserve? I don't deny there's a class war going on in America, but can you remove yourself from your own position in a given situation, and then evaluate your own position within it?

[tysonviolin]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

Those who want to kill women and babies and hide behind them to do so don't give a rip about rules of engagement or what is right or wrong. If they have becomeso hard to guard against, I gladly give a portion of my rights to be safe.

American bombs in Iraq, Afganistan, Israel, and Lebanon have killed 100s of times more women and babies than your so-called terrorists. I am not against military spending, but I want our military home where they can protect us from a possible invasion. Until then, I do believe that this "war" money needs to be going into programs such as healthcare.

[CZ101]

I suppose it is a moot or glaringly obvious point now, but Iraq and Saddam Hussein had literally nothing to do with 9/11.

Hussein had as much to do with 9/11 as my mom did.

The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq was a non-sequitur to 9/11, but it was peddled as some kind of payback, and, at the time, over 50% of the U.S. population ate it up. For many of us, this was an embarrassment that the U.S. public would be so gullible or willingly bamboozled.

Dick "Hussein has deep ties to Al-Qaeda" Cheney,

Karl "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing” Rove,

Don "It's not an occupation" Rumsfeld,

Condoleeza "How could we have anticipated the use of commercial airplanes?" Rice

and the rest of the neo-cons swindled you big time if you still see the Iraq War as a defensive action in response to 9/11.

This is a cultural watershed moment in U.S. history. There is a certain amount of betrayal trauma dealt to republicans by their own party, and I sympathize with how that must feel.

It's either - view the betrayal for what it really is, or live with the cognitive dissonance as you must.

Can you imagine what it must feel like to be Karl Rove?

[Blast9]

Locked due to poor s/n ration

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