protools le vs logic, what to do

[lblstudio]

I added Logic Studio to my setup about a year and a half ago. I still find it easier to track and edit in Pro Tools (even though I am using Apogee Symphony), but feel my mixes get there quicker when mixing in Logic Pro. I can't say the mixes sound better in Logic, I just get to the finish line faster.

For the money, it's hard to beat a BLA 002R with PTLE. I think that Logic is more of a pro level DAW than PTLE, but your investment in software gets you close to your budget target pretty quickly.

[Chrislpp]

You can't beat the plugins and software instruments bundled if your into music making as well as production. IMO

[Draw the Moral]

It just depends on what you are doing and what you are comfortable with.

I write, compose, record and mix guitar, bass, vox, drums, and keyboards.

So for me, it doesn't get better than Logic with Apogee and Euphonix.

But for you, PT with a 002 might be your pot 'o gold for what you do.

If you could clarify what you are going to be using it for it would help.

Oh yeah, and Logic Pro with an Apogee duet will run you right at a grand brand new...and less if you go used on the duet.

Also, like you said, there are plenty of other interfaces that will work well with Logic depending on how many channels you need and what you want to do with your money.

[videoracer]

I would find it hard to believe PT LE can give you the kind of production capability you can get from Logic (assuming you get the full program, not the Express).

[headwerkn]

PT has (in my opinion) a slight edge still in actual audio editing and manipulation. In terms of virtual instruments, MIDI production and the sheer volume of included plugins, other goodies and overall value for money, Logic blows it out of the water.

[videoracer]

>> PT has (in my opinion) a slight edge still in actual audio editing and manipulation.<<

What would those be, and would you find them in the LE version?

[skatmatt]

I am in a similar situation,
i'm used to using PTLE but i want to upgrade as i want to start recording bands and doing live recordings and i only have an mbox.

i was thinking of either an m-audio 2626 PT m-powered or a motu with logic but i dont know what would be a better option?

any feedback?

[Ol' Betsey]

Originally Posted by skatmatt

I am in a similar situation,
i'm used to using PTLE but i want to upgrade as i want to start recording bands and doing live recordings and i only have an mbox.

i was thinking of either an m-audio 2626 PT m-powered or a motu with logic but i dont know what would be a better option?

any feedback?

If you go with the 2626 you have the option of using/experimenting with both PTMP and Logic and deciding for yourself.

I like and use both daily.

R.

[Rufuss Sewell]

Originally Posted by headwerkn

PT has (in my opinion) a slight edge still in actual audio editing and manipulation. In terms of virtual instruments, MIDI production and the sheer volume of included plugins, other goodies and overall value for money, Logic blows it out of the water.

I'm curious about what specific tasks you think PT has the edge over Logic as far as audio editing. For the last couple of years I've done everything in Logic except for drum and vocal editing. Drums = PT, Vocals = Melodyne. But now with Logic 9 I feel like Flex is much better than elastic audio for all kinds of editing. Especially drums.

In my opinion, Logic is better than PTLE on every count except for importing from other studios that use PT... and if you already happen to have PT mastered that would be a reason to stay.

[skatmatt]

Originally Posted by Ol' Betsey

If you go with the 2626 you have the option of using/experimenting with both PTMP and Logic and deciding for yourself.

I like and use both daily.

R.

I was just thinking about channel count the 2626 only has 8 inputs + 8 ADAT is that right?

[Ol' Betsey]

Originally Posted by skatmatt

I was just thinking about channel count the 2626 only has 8 inputs + 8 ADAT is that right?

Yep. That's right.

Well... including SPDIF it's 18 but still.

R.

[skatmatt]

The thing im worried about with that is the ADAT limits the choice of pres i can use.

I'm tinking MOTU 24 I/O PCIe

MOTU.com - 24I/O Overview

as it seem like a more appropriate option
but that means i cant use PT, its stressing me out what to go for better interface or more familiar program

[lerone]

Originally Posted by Draw the Moral

Oh yeah, and Logic Pro with an Apogee duet will run you right at a grand brand new...and less if you go used on the duet.

Also, like you said, there are plenty of other interfaces that will work well with Logic depending on how many channels you need and what you want to do with your money.

I'm a sequoia user personally, but have used more than my fair share of both PT and Logic setups. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but, one point that strikes me as the most important, is the quality of the AD/DA. The 002 is pretty average sounding at best, however the duet or the symphony is leaning far nearer to the quality you'd expect to find in a high end tracking, mixing or even a mastering room. With PT, sure, you can add additional AD/DA afterwards, but its gonna cost you more in the long run (standalone AD/DA comparable to the duet is gonna cost at least £1000). Maybe you'd be better off getting Logic for the sake of flexibillity and the option of far better conversion, ultimately at a much lower price with less hassle. You could always add a cheaper 8 in 8 out interface for tracking drums or more than 2 sources, but at least for the majority of the recording (vox, bass, acoustic,strings, brass), you could use something that sounded top notch. I've heard the pres on the duet sound very good too. If you were to add an 8 channel interface later, something like m-audios delta 10/10 (which really aint that far away from the 002) would allow you to get on the pro tools ladder at a later date, when youve got a bit more spare cash, should you wish to.

[LeMauce]

Making / Produce music in Logic. Rewire it to Protools LE/HD to mix. Its my setup for 3years and its works great for me.

[guitarguy1555]

what would be the best bang for buck interface for logic. the duet seems to get good reviews, except i need to run my monitors and have outboard gear, i dont think the duet can do this.

[Draw the Moral]

Well, it will definitely run your monitors.
It has two line outs for your monitors and then a headphone out on the front. For inputs it has 2 x XLR, and 2 x TRS. It's only two channels, so you just mix and match whichever inputs you need at a time.

When you say outboard gear, do you mean a preamp/comp or outboard effects (verbs, delays, etc.)?

You can use a preamp/comp with the duet easily. You just plug the preamps outputs into the duets inputs and select the appropriate line level setting in Maestro.

So you can run any effect IN BETWEEN the source and the duet just fine if the effect is appropriate for that signal path.

There are NO effect sends on the duet. So if you are wanting to mix in an outboard verb with a send/return, then you need to look elsewhere. (Or get an effect that has AD/DA.)

So here's the quick breakout:

Duet CAN do this:

Source>Outboard Effect>Duet>DAW>Output


Duet can NOT do this:

Source>Duet>DAW>Outboard Effect>DAW>Output

[guitarguy1555]

if im wanting to run logic would the duet be the best bang for buck. for the time being i'm just needing an interface, then ill upgrade my pres soon, i most likely dont need alot of outputs because i'm just going to get some electronic drums and run those midi

[KFMG]

Originally Posted by guitarguy1555

if im wanting to run logic would the duet be the best bang for buck. for the time being i'm just needing an interface, then ill upgrade my pres soon, i most likely dont need alot of outputs because i'm just going to get some electronic drums and run those midi

Yes. A Duet would be perfect for what you're wanting to do...as long as you won't be needing kier than two inputs at a time.

[Groberts]

Originally Posted by Draw the Moral

Duet can NOT do this:

Source>Duet>DAW>Outboard Effect>DAW>Output

What about the Apogee Ensemble? Can it send to outboard effect, back into the DAW and then to Output?

Side note; Are there any excellent learning DVD's for Logic Pro for beginners? I've got the comprehensive book for Logic Pro, but I learn better watching. I need basics, like setting up my work space, how to assign sends, returns, punching in and out, etc Thanks!

[guitarguy1555]

are those logic 9 studio that sell on ebay for less than 500 legitimate copys to buy

[syntheticrhyme]

way more bang for the buck with Logic. If you don't need protools to open other sessions and what not, then go with logic, you'll be much happier











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[Draw the Moral]

Originally Posted by Groberts

What about the Apogee Ensemble? Can it send to outboard effect, back into the DAW and then to Output?

Side note; Are there any excellent learning DVD's for Logic Pro for beginners? I've got the comprehensive book for Logic Pro, but I learn better watching. I need basics, like setting up my work space, how to assign sends, returns, punching in and out, etc Thanks!

Yes, of course the ensemble can do that. I was just going off of your budget.

Ensembles used are still around $1200 with an occasional rare $800-ish price on ebay.

But yeah, if an ensemble is in your budget, then obviously go with it. That's the best bang for your buck on ANY firewire interface for Macs with Logic.

And as far as videos, go to youtube and search for "SFLogicninja."
Watch everything. Start tinkering.

Guarenteed, you will find stuff in there that will make you slap your forehead and go "YES!"

And really, with either the duet or the ensemble, you won't need to upgrade your pres until you know exactly how a specific pre will upgrade your sound.

[Draw the Moral]

Originally Posted by guitarguy1555

are those logic 9 studio that sell on ebay for less than 500 legitimate copys to buy

Possibly. Possibly not.

You could try getting an older copy of Logic (7 or 8 express) for cheap, and then buy the upgrade to nine.

I never trust stuff on ebay right when something is newly released and demand is high. It's just too hard (for me) to QC legitimacy.

Speaking of which, I have an educational version of Logic 8 express that I could let go for cheap. I've never used the key or even installed it. I got it for free with my certification, and I already had 8 Studio at the time. PM me if you want some details.

[pascalm]

In my opinion go to Logic. Yes i am a Logic user but a few weeks ago i would have said go to Pro Tools as it is the industry standard these days. Since then the new Logic has come out with editing features, things like flex time that now put Logic ahead or at least up to par with Pro Tools. I've heard of people who have used it and tools and have opted for Logic.

But your choice i might be biased and pro tools is great for a lot of stuff but i'm not sure about value for money with it.

[inthere]

Originally Posted by guitarguy1555

are those logic 9 studio that sell on ebay for less than 500 legitimate copys to buy

You can get the full version of Logic from Apple for $499 brand new.

Logic Studio - Apple Store (U.S.)

[Groberts]

Originally Posted by inthere

You can get the full version of Logic from Apple for $499 brand new.

Logic Studio - Apple Store (U.S.)

And the Upgrade to Logic 9 from Logic Pro 8 at the Apple Store is only $199. Has a bunch of new plug ins and amp modelers that are probably worth the price alone! Very cool!

[alkooloid]

Logic Studio.
Keeps you flexible hardware wise, and IT HAS LATENCY COMPENSATION.

A pro badass who uses LE to make Grammy-award winning albums
is sitting in my studio right now.

Guess what he just switched to?

[ofutch]

currently running logic 8 of a profire 2626 think its pretty sweet if im honest cant argue with the amount of plug-ins either

[Ludwig]

can't be bothered detailing why....but my strong opinion is...logic!