Behringer BCF 2000

[Adlen]

Originally Posted by Mja

cheers all for this thread- ive learnt loads !

Haven't we all?

[flober1970]

I am using PT 7.4, I guess would be the same with v8...

I think u can totally go with the BCF!!

F

[RTR]

I used mine in PT7-8 and it worked great..what more do you want for $199.00, It does everything I wanted it to do!!

[Adlen]

Well I bought one to tide me over til I can get a Tascam US2400. Here's to the next week getting used to it

[J1mbaFr0sty]

report back on ur experiences with it and what not.

[Adlen]

Will-do. Should be arriving Tuesday and I'm showing off a college studio on Tuesday night so should get some use out of it. Now trying to decide if I should buy a BCA2000 to gie me some more inputs...

[SoundFancier]

Originally Posted by jbjoubaud

I have one and never use it.. This is garbage
By the way they are not touch sensitive, if you want to move your fader when it's alredy following a course... forget it.
Useless is how I would describe it

This is an issue as you cannot use the surface in 'touch' mode. Not hard for me to workaround. Faders are jerky and noisy as someone mentioned.

But having real faders has been great for workflow, no problems yet. Good for the money. thumbsup

[Adlen]

Got my dispatch notification an hour or so ago. This NEEEEEEDS to come by tomorow PM!

[Finnish]

I use it in MCU-mode in Reaper.

I bought it about 2 years ago. At first I set it to ride faders etc, but maybe I was too slow with it (in the beginning) so I somehow let it collect dust for a long time.

Well, I bought e-drums a week ago, now I'm using it as a transport/record/volume controller 'cause I'm recording everything by myself nowadays. Not so hifi-duties with it, but I really like it.

[MrCrowbar]

I love the Presonus Faderport. Multiple faders annoy me because the whole bank switching and you never really know which channel is where.

I'd love to have as many faders as I have tracks, along with color colored scribble strip displays, but this is insanely expensive and not really worth it. Just group the tracks you want to automate and use one fader, then click on the desired group in the software mixer and automate them. Subgroups work well for automation because you can still edit the non-automated levels of the single tracks, i.e. make the overheads louder after you've automated the drum set.

The Faderport also has nice backlit buttons (LOVE the transport buttons), all in intuitive colors and you have dedicated "write", "read", "touch" and "off" (disables fader) buttons unlike the Frontier Alphatrack.

The pan control really sucks in Logic though, you need to turn it really slow and then the fader comes motoring up and stopping at your know turning fingers (in touch mode, the fader will stop there because you touched it...). I can't work without that thing anymore, just select the track you want with the mouse or cursors, move fader, proceed.

It's also much more precise than the Behringer (10-bit ALPS Fader vs. 8-bit crap fader), quiet in operation, very responsive (dual motors), touch sensitive (you really need that for automation), and you just plug it in via USB.

[Adlen]

Okay it arrived in time for my demo but the screen was damaged (probably a transit issue). I used it for about 20 minutes properly and let it look cool for the rest of the night to impress the folks. From my use with it... wow... I love it! Faders were smoother than I thought, build quality is better than I thought and hey; it's not blue! Well, it's a tiny bit blue but those pictures don't do it justice!

Just bought a BCA2000 interface to match it. When funds are a little better I think I'll get a second BCF and a BCR. Unless of course a Tascam US2400 comes up at a FINE price before then!

But I thoroughly recommend this unit.

[Adlen]

Do you know what I want... BCF and BCR 3000. Check out the BCD2000 vs the BCD3000 and tell me the 3000 doesn't look more professional!

[jproc]

Just got a white BCF2000.... started looking at the BCR2000.... why do they make the BCF in both white & black, but the BCR only in black ?
Now if I want a "matching" set I'll have to exchange the white one... argh!

So much for getting the white one because I thought it would look better in my setup....

[Adlen]

Originally Posted by jproc

Just got a white BCF2000.... started looking at the BCR2000.... why do they make the BCF in both white & black, but the BCR only in black ?
Now if I want a "matching" set I'll have to exchange the white one... argh!

So much for getting the white one because I thought it would look better in my setup....

Yeah I think that's weird too. I really do want them to make 3000s though, the blacks look great!

The others aren't THAT blue but putting it with a white one is... wrong.

[Nuno_F]

I use one and I think it's great. I am probably getting two more eventually. I use it with Cubase in generic remote mode using NRPN's and that gives me 14 bit resolution on the faders, which is great.

It's a great product, from a not so great company....

[Adlen]

Originally Posted by Nuno_F

It's a great product, from a not so great company....

Behringer got a few things right to be fair. The B-Control series, the ADA8000 isn't bad, Truth monitors. When you're on a budget they're a great company and really don't deserve the crap they get.

[Nuno_F]

Originally Posted by Adlen

Behringer got a few things right to be fair. The B-Control series, the ADA8000 isn't bad, Truth monitors. When you're on a budget they're a great company and really don't deserve the crap they get.

Honestly, just based on thej way they rip off other people's work I think they deserve a lot more crap than they get. The quality (or lack) of their products is not really the issue to me.

[scanner]

Originally Posted by jbjoubaud

I have one and never use it.. This is garbage
By the way they are not touch sensitive, if you want to move your fader when it's alredy following a course... forget it.
Useless is how I would describe it

I'd have to agree with this. I had one for about 10 minutes.. took it straight back to the shop. Try and add to any automation already there and you'll be fighting the motor for control....

get something touch sensitive.. seriously...you'll be glad you did.

[Finnish]

Originally Posted by scanner

I'd have to agree with this. I had one for about 10 minutes.. took it straight back to the shop. Try and add to any automation already there and you'll be fighting the motor for control....

get something touch sensitive.. seriously...you'll be glad you did.

Stop complaining and buy something high-end if you have the money.

BCF2000 is a no brainer for the money and thats it.

[MMski]

Originally Posted by Finnish

Stop complaining and buy something high-end if you have the money.

BCF2000 is a no brainer for the money and thats it.

thumbsupthumbsup

[sleeper1400]

Originally Posted by flober1970

am using it with protools with total satisfaction!!??

need to clean up your greasy fingers or read about the automation mode in PT...

F

um..no.

either you dont truly understand automation or your a troll, most likely the latter.
ive been working in Pt roughly 8 hours a day since 2003, your not gonna school me.

as MANY other poster have already stated. it doesn't follow automation, or, if you like, expect to fight the motorized faders every step of the way.

anyone else other than this joker,trust me on this one, if your using PT dont bother.

just get a second hand MCU or bite the bullet and get the 002/3 factory.

[unsound1]

Better yet!................get a BCF or 3 and don't use P-Tools.....problem solved..... and for the most part anyone looking at the BCF has probably not been using P-Tools (I just can't say it) for very long or is not using it at all. Everyone knows that if you use P-Tools you can only use (to the fullest extent) what digidesign lets you use...........total crap if you ask me............just because it is labeled as "Industry Standard" doesn't always mean it's the best, or the best for every situation anyway.
I automate just fine with the BCF and if I need to get real tedious with automation it's not like I can't use a mouse anymore. Seems to me that the 2 together are a great combination.
I'm sure if we all had the option we probably would be running some sort of P-Tools system using a D-command or Mackie control setup but the BCF is a budget controller aim at lower end studios or home users. No one should be arguing that, but to say it's junk because it doesn't do 1 thing as well as it should (automation) is a joke.
If that's the case then why are you even using P-Tools??? It is not perfect in itself but no one seems to be calling it "junk". P-Tools price wise is not really aimed at the budget studio or home user that is looking to multi-track. But it seems all you have to do is say is the words................"P-Tools".......... and people fall to their knees and flock to the studio (your bedroom) because you have a "P-Tools setup" to get their "Pro" quality recordings done thru an interface with pre-amps and converters that is half the quality and double the price of it's competitors. Not sure who gets screwed there, the person who spent all of their money on the P-Tools and compatible equipment or the person who is convinced that the only way to get a professional recording is thru P-Tools with a $1500 or higher DAW controller. If you are setting up a high-end studio does anyone think or expect that you will then control it with a few BCF2000's??? I doubt it. So why not give Behringer a break on this one, it does exactly what they say it is supposed to do and the quality verses cost really can't be beat and for someone learning to mix or that knows how to mix for the most part but has always done it in the box, a motorized controller at this price can only be a plus.....right????? If you get one and then complain about what it can't do, you obviously didn't do your research on the unit...
All I know is that anyone who has seen my BCF "console" has been rather impressed and have not asked me why I'm not running P-Tools or using a Mackie controller....................but then I'm not recording for a Major or Indie Label either so that may have something to do with it.........



-scott

[Adlen]

What he said.

[mikethedrummer]

i use a bcf in protools just fine. the automation is great, pan pots work great. dont know why youre hatin on the PT. works fine for me


i suppose the bcf's faders arent silent but when im sitting 3 feet away from monitors cranked up all the way... dfegad

again, in the basement its great. if i had the budget to open a commercial studio, id have the cash for something a little nicer but until then ill get a couple more bcfs and mount them up real pretty

all abt the glamor these days right?

[unsound1]

not hatin on PT man, it just seems that most of the BCF haters are PT users and again it seems that if people don't hear studio and PT together then it must not be a pro studio or at least pro quality, which in reality is a matter of opinion anymore..............

[mikethedrummer]

agreed.

howd you put your bcfs together? that looks pretty schnazzy

[unsound1]

Hey thanks Mike...........The console is actually wrapped around the BCF's, the far right and left sides are screwed to the units with the original screws and also screwed to the front panel and thats pretty much it at the moment. I'll probably add a bottom base for more support.

-scott

[mdoelger]

^^wnat to know that too...

[nightscope]

The motors can be turned off temporarily on selected faders. Probably not in the emulation modes. I don't use the BCF for any automation moves.

ns

[microwave]

I find the faders so noisy that sometimes I just switch it off mid session. I monitor mostly at low volumes and its a major annoyance. I'll probably be selling mine soon. If you want eight faders for that sort of price its your only choice, but don't forget that for £150 you can buy something like the Frontier Design Alphatrack.