V Verb vs Virtualizer Pro

[John N]

Just got my V Verb based in the raves it gets here. I haven't even had time to stick it in the rack, but I did fire it up for 10 minutes to make sure it works. So far so good...

Assuming I'm gonna love it and MF and everyone else is sold out soon because its been discontinued what about the Virtualizer Pro? Is that morphed from the V Verb or is it another beast entirely and should be avoided?

[TurboJets]

The virtualizer came first, the v verb followed soon after. The reverb in the v verb stomps the reverb in the virtualizer IMO. The tails and early reflections in the virtualizer are just too grainy IMO but it has a great compressor that's transparent and open (big) as opposed to squashed and small.

[D K]

Just got mine in yesterday as well based on the hype around here

I like it so far - not much testing

Do most people find it better for smaller rooms (ambience) or the longer (Hall) type algos?

[Jeffguitar]

I love my Vverb for various purposes. I was messing with my acoustic lastnight and you can hear a little of the Vverb in this clip.

http://jeffstewart.maddsites.com/Acoustic.mp3

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by Jeffguitar

I love my Vverb for various purposes. I was messing with my acoustic lastnight and you can hear a little of the Vverb in this clip.

http://jeffstewart.maddsites.com/Acoustic.mp3

That was nice! I'de only say to mess around with the pre-delay and decay times.

I still haven't found my way a Vverb (yet), but will say the Virtualizer unit has some fun panning and misc. effects, but the reverbs are pretty lacking.

[RTR]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

That was nice! I'de only say to mess around with the pre-delay and decay times.

I still haven't found my way a Vverb (yet), but will say the Virtualizer unit has some fun panning and misc. effects, but the reverbs are pretty lacking.

I really liked my old Virtualizer ..I sold it, but I got some good sounding ac guitars out of it!!

[RusRant]

Does the virtualizer have pitch shifting?

[TurboJets]

Originally Posted by RusRant

Does the virtualizer have pitch shifting?

yes..2 octaves up, 1 down

[hgen]

Originally Posted by TurboJets

The virtualizer came first, the v verb followed soon after. The reverb in the v verb stomps the reverb in the virtualizer IMO. The tails and early reflections in the virtualizer are just too grainy IMO but it has a great compressor that's transparent and open (big) as opposed to squashed and small.

Amazing, I was too scared to say the virtualizer comp is great! You got balls, But I concur, I use it on vocals all the time, I love the virtualizer and use it all the time.

[RusRant]

Originally Posted by TurboJets

yes..2 octaves up, 1 down

Cool, can you use the pitch with other effects? Pitch+delay, Pitch+reverb, etc?

[dkelley]

the other good points about the virtualizer is that if you can pick one up cheap (less than $100) then it's a pretty good set of multifx for the studio. some things it does REALLY well.

reverb isn't one of them imho.

the vverb pro is a great pro level tool for cheap, not big studio sound but awfully close at any price, certainly good enough for most things and most people.

the virtualizer is multi fx. it's NO WHERE NEAR what high end multi fx units sound like imho, but as noted a few things with it are excellent, and since phaser/flanger/chorus type fx tend to be so in your face anyway with most fx units, the fact that the virtualizer isn't terribly subtle or super clean and pristine (as opposed to the vverb) doesn't really matter too much in the real world. I'd buy one cheap for sure.

but it's not going to wow you the same way if you're looking for really amazing pro studio level sounding stuff.

cheers,
Don

[TurboJets]

Originally Posted by RusRant

Cool, can you use the pitch with other effects? Pitch+delay, Pitch+reverb, etc?

Pitch + Verb, yes
I don't think you can combine Pitch with any of the other effects...not even Delay.

[RusRant]

Hmm, to bad. Thanks

[jvkeboxHERO]

are we talking about the behringer v-verb? if so i was gonna go with the budget lexicon, but if this thing is that great should i just pick it up?

id be using it for recording AND on stage (i play guitar)

[willsing]

Originally Posted by jvkeboxHERO

are we talking about the behringer v-verb? if so i was gonna go with the budget lexicon, but if this thing is that great should i just pick it up?

id be using it for recording AND on stage (i play guitar)

I had two different budget Lexicons, an mpx500 and 200 (think those were the models, fuzzy memory). The V-verb smoked them both. I even sold my Kurzweil Rumor and now have two V-verbs.

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by willsing

I had two different budget Lexicons, an mpx500 and 200 (think those were the models, fuzzy memory). The V-verb smoked them both. I even sold my Kurzweil Rumor and now have two V-verbs.

Are you talking about the big 'ol 3 rack space Lexicon Model 200 from the 80's, or the newer one with USB?

[Michael_Joly]

It is hard to stop singing the praises of V-Verb. In addition to all the positive comments about the reverb quality, this box contains a completely user-configurable multiband compresso. Oh, and it can also function as a really versatile A/D and D/A converter. Some days I don't feel so bad about surface mount components when they deliever price / performance ratios like the V-Verb.

[RusRant]

Plus the delay and X-over delay are pretty good as well, actually really good once you dig into the parameters.

[willsing]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

Are you talking about the big 'ol 3 rack space Lexicon Model 200 from the 80's, or the newer one with USB?

I got the 200 new back in 2001 and the 500 back in 03. Not the older, 80's model.

[YuriOnline]

I got the V-Verb based on recommendations from many threads in this forum.
My Lexicon MX300 will definitely gather dust, the effects were nothing spectacular. Haven't use the Virtualizer though, I hope they re-issue the V-Verb someday. The reverb algorithms of the V are excellent. However I noticed that they tend to damp the lower frequency quite a lot. Maybe this is on purpose to hide undesirable resonance booming. I am curious about what other users think on this issue. Nevertheless it's a very good rack effects with ok build contruction at only 99$. Very happy with this purchase.

[RusRant]

Try digging into the parameters and you can tame the low end build up, or exaggerate it if need be. The V-verb and Gold plate algos alone are worth 3-4x the cost easy, especially once you start working the parameters. Check out the delays too, they are great.

[YuriOnline]

Thanks for the advice RusRant. To be honest, I received the unit about a week ago. I'll dig a bit more into parameter editing before making a final judgment. I agree totally on the V-Verb algorithm, it's my favorite so far.