condenser or dynamic

[KeithMoonwannabe]

Originally Posted by alehoe

alright so i was running some tests and i have to say i'm pretty happy with what i just recorded even though it's not a serious song at all

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here's how i recorded

rapping was a friend of mine we recorded him yesterday (not so happy with the results)
microphone: rode nt1-a
location: closet
preamps: universal audio dcs
cables: mogami gold
ad/da converter: apogee duet

the singing/screaming was me recorded today (pretty impressed with the results)
microphone: rode nt1-a
location: parent's walk-in close filled with clothes from top to bottom
everything else: apogee duet

all the main vocals were processed on the same bus, here's a picture

i usually don't compress so damn much but the guy i was recording kept messing up and we had to do a million takes

also what i recoded myself probably did not need so much boosting on the hf but that's ok

any suggestions on my compression will be very appreciated

the compression through my laptop speakers doesn't sound bad actually. But the reflections do seem to muddy up everything a little bit. But keep in mind that's through my laptop speakers so yeah. If I grab my Beyers or hook up my reference monitors I might have a different story.

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by KeithMoonwannabe

the compression through my laptop speakers doesn't sound bad actually. But the reflections do seem to muddy up everything a little bit. But keep in mind that's through my laptop speakers so yeah. If I grab my Beyers or hook up my reference monitors I might have a different story.

well the singing i recorded in my parent's walk-in closet didn't sound anywhere near as muddy the recordings in my walk-in closet

which beyers do you have? i got the dt-880 pro

i record with my ultrasone hfi 550 though, they're messed up but they're too stupid to fix them (they keep replacing the cable and re-soldering everything instead of replacing the driver)

[KeithMoonwannabe]

Originally Posted by alehoe

well the singing i recorded in my parent's walk-in closet didn't sound anywhere near as muddy the recordings in my walk-in closet

which beyers do you have? i got the dt-880 pro

i record with my ultrasone hfi 550 though, they're messed up but they're too stupid to fix them (they keep replacing the cable and re-soldering everything instead of replacing the driver)

oh I agree there it definitely sounds a lot better, the mud could just be my laptop lol it just sounds a little too ambient and not articulate enough if that makes sense

I use the 770 and the 990.

I've wanted to pick up the S-logic Yamahas (they are Ultrasone based probably the same thing) only considerably cheaper

[ohmicide]

well i think i learned my lesson

seems like the only way to go around my problems are treating my room and then worry about a new microphone

the sm7b still seams like something i should get because of my loud mouth/screaming tendencies

and a million apologies to keithmoonwannabe for the misunderstanding

i hope you understand my situation and the denial i was in




btw i love these freaking smilies hahaha

[Weasel9992]

The thing about a treated space is that it makes *everything* sound better in tracking AND allows you to mix accurately. A $7,500 U47 is going to sound like a $200 microphone in a crappy-sounding room.

Frank

[warhead]

Actually, it will sound like a $7500 mic but it won't MATTER if the room sounds bad. The room will screw it up either way.

You need both, but a good room comes FIRST for sure.

War

[Weasel9992]

Originally Posted by warhead

Actually, it will sound like a $7500 mic but it won't MATTER if the room sounds bad. The room will screw it up either way.

You need both, but a good room comes FIRST for sure.

War

True...that's a better way of putting it.

Frank

[RTR]

Try recording in the middle of the room..my room is treated OK but nothing special and I get a nice sound in the middle of the room!! You may be surprized!!

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by warhead

Actually, it will sound like a $7500 mic but it won't MATTER if the room sounds bad. The room will screw it up either way.

You need both, but a good room comes FIRST for sure.

War

yeah the main reason why i wanted a new microphone was because everything i recorded with it sounded muddy, but now i know that the reason it sounded like that was because of my room

i actually can't wait to hear how it will sound going through my ua preamps in my room after i treat it

i think i'm going to make the bass traps myself since i have so much time in my hands haha

[KeithMoonwannabe]

Originally Posted by alehoe

well i think i learned my lesson

seems like the only way to go around my problems are treating my room and then worry about a new microphone

the sm7b still seams like something i should get because of my loud mouth/screaming tendencies

and a million apologies to keithmoonwannabe for the misunderstanding

i hope you understand my situation and the denial i was in




btw i love these freaking smilies hahaha

hey man we can all have bad days, bad moods, make mistakes, etc.

apology fully accepted if I only we had a smiley that could run up and hug you lol j/k

and best of luck to you with everything....i'm moving in june so I'll have a new space to deal with...so I'll probably be making a nice portable vocal iso booth for my apartment

[ohmicide]

ok, after looking at a few threads on here about bass traps and also some online tutorials i'm still a little confused..

should i build 4 panels and place them on the corners, or build 8 and place 2 on each wall near the corners? or maybe something else?



i'm thinking of following this tutorial http://www.basstraps.net/DIY-BASS-TRAPS-MADE-EASY.pdf but i was wondering if i could build 4" borders around the fiber rather than placing them on top the 2" frame. the reason i would like to do that is because the ones on the tutorial would be pretty damn big and might look monstrous in my relatively small room.

[awakened]

corners, corners, corners

[Weasel9992]

Originally Posted by alehoe

ok, after looking at a few threads on here about bass traps and also some online tutorials i'm still a little confused..

should i build 4 panels and place them on the corners, or build 8 and place 2 on each wall near the corners? or maybe something else?

Like Awakened already posted, straddle the corners first with 4" or 6" traps. After that build 6" traps for the back wall, then finish off the reflection points, front wall and ceiling cloud with 4" panels.

Frank

[ohmicide]

alright guys step one is finished. i moved my whole room around so i could have my desk where it was recommended by weasel9992.

woah what a difference. not only my room looks a lot more spacious and organized, it actually feels and looks like a real studio now even though my bed is still in here. i'm sure i'll hear a difference tomorrow when i test out my monitors in this position but i can't wait to hear the different with the bass traps.

only problem now is that i got into a huge argument with my mother today because she says we're moving and i won't need the bass traps anymore. i tried explaining to her that they're just going to be hanged on the walls and can be moved anywhere else but i don't think it got through to her very well.

oh and who moved the smileys around?!

[AwwDeOhh]

Tell yer mom:

Bass traps are like pictures you hang on the wall... but instead of photos* they make things sound good. And they are a one time investment that you can use in as many studios, and as many times as you move in your lifetime. If you ever decide music isn't something you want to do.. put them on ebay or craigslist and recoup some of your money.


*Have you seen GIK's 'art panels' ? Tell your mom you want these pretty pictures on your wall!!!
GIK Acoustics: GIK ArtPanel

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by AwwDeOhh

Tell yer mom:

Bass traps are like pictures you hang on the wall... but instead of photos* they make things sound good. And they are a one time investment that you can use in as many studios, and as many times as you move in your lifetime. If you ever decide music isn't something you want to do.. put them on ebay or craigslist and recoup some of your money.

i did explain that, didn't work though

i'm going to make them anyways and hang them up real nice and record like there's no tomorrow

Originally Posted by AwwDeOhh

*Have you seen GIK's 'art panels' ? Tell your mom you want these pretty pictures on your wall!!!
GIK Acoustics: GIK ArtPanel

i have seen those! one day..

[awakened]

Originally Posted by alehoe

only problem now is that i got into a huge argument with my mother today because she says we're moving and i won't need the bass traps anymore. i tried explaining to her that they're just going to be hanged on the walls and can be moved anywhere else but i don't think it got through to her very well.

haha, just wait til ya get married! then you will have your wife telling ya you cant put up bass traps!

kiddin...kiddin...love my wife

[ohmicide]

well 7 months and 2 thousand something post later.. i got a lot better at singing (kinda feel embarrassed at the clip i posted) and i still haven't built my bass traps LOL

moving.. not moving.. moving..

my sm7b and packing blankets have gotten be by pretty damn good though

and it finally looks like i'll be moving from here.. maybe i should make my bass traps now since i might have a hard time getting all the parts when i move to canada.. if i move to canada..

[99zulu]

My first mic was an NT1A. Hated it because I didn't understand what I was dealing with. I wasn't just picking up too much of the room...I was picking up the house, the street, the neighbor's dog sleeping and my folks arguing in the next county over.

Got an SM7B now and all is well. I kept the Rode, I may even get another and use them as room mics. But the SM7B has made my life blissful and solved the majority of my project studio mic woes.

[ohmicide]

yeah i kept my nt1-a too, i actually have two now because i borrowed one from a friend