Black Lion Audio Auteur vs RNP

[shadyru]

Which would you guys get? For OH mics mainly... but also for occasionally stereo miking acoustic guitars, and the occasional vocal and electric guitars.

[Heartfelt]

I would get the BLA. I think it would excel. I had one for a short spell. I think it would smoke the RNP on acoustic.

[ThunderShepherd]

Black Lion Audio always has quality products. fully backed

[gurian1]

I have used both. I like the Auteur MUCH better. Not fancy, just a neat sound. Everyone should probably have one or two at the price.

Rob

[GordZilla]

Get a quarter.... flip it in the air.... heads your win... tails you win

[superiorsound]

I own both and I will say this the BLA sounds way better. On acoustic guitar its incredible. The BLA seems to give a more full sound. I should be able to post some clips of both soon. I have an alternative pop guy coming well test it out. But if I had to get one go BLA their stuff rocks and they are super nice call my man Luke tell em frank sent ya hell take good care of you!

Cheers!

[superiorsound]

Originally Posted by gurian1

I have used both. I like the Auteur MUCH better. Not fancy, just a neat sound. Everyone should probably have one or two at the price.

Rob

I second that! nothing fancy about it but you will get a sound that is much bigger than its pricetag!

[dickiefunk]

Does anyone know how either of these compares to the Sontronics Sonora?

[Bobalou]

Originally Posted by ThunderShepherd

Black Lion Audio always has quality products. fully backed

A few years ago a hot combo around here regarding price and quality was pairing up the Lucid ad9624 and an RNP around $1300.00ish for a quality 2 channel mic pre ad converter

the other unit wich was in the same price range was the Apogee MiniMe (2channel pre/converter) it was going for around $1350.00ish. I recall the Lucid/FMR combo were paired up as the alternative anti-Apogee choice.

I wonder how the Black Lion combo of its Auteur ($450.00) and the Sparrow($650.00) in current technology would stack up to the above combo's quality?

(with both the minime and the lucid found used for much less than the prices from a few years back, i wonder what the sonic difference in the converter quality the Lucid.Apogee would compare to the Sparrow??

[Gearhero]

Heard them both. In my opinion RNP all the way for acoustic.

[AdamJay]

Originally Posted by Bobalou

A few years ago a hot combo around here regarding price and quality was pairing up the Lucid ad9624 and an RNP around $1300.00ish for a quality 2 channel mic pre ad converter

the other unit wich was in the same price range was the Apogee MiniMe (2channel pre/converter) it was going for around $1350.00ish. I recall the Lucid/FMR combo were paired up as the alternative anti-Apogee choice.

I wonder how the Black Lion combo of its Auteur ($450.00) and the Sparrow($650.00) in current technology would stack up to the above combo's quality?

(with both the minime and the lucid found used for much less than the prices from a few years back, i wonder what the sonic difference in the converter quality the Lucid.Apogee would compare to the Sparrow??

if you're really looking at 2 channel preamp-a/d combos look at a used legacy ULN-2 (non 2d). These go for $750-$900. you get two of the absolute cleanest preamps south of $2000, plus 2 ch. a/d and 4ch. d/a.

I was looking at supplementing my 2882 with the auteur but i think i'm better off just finding a second hand ULN-2. I used to own one but sold it once i didn't have the need, now i have the need again.

[aleatoric]

Can anyone chime in on how the auteur stacks up to the DMP3? I am considering "upgrading" my DMP3 to the BLA auteur but am wondering if it will really be worth my while as the autuer costs nearly $300 more than the DMP3. My pre's main use is for stereo micing of acoustic steel string guitars and percussion instruments.

[mds]

Don't forget the DAV stuff while you're looking...great preamps and similar pricepoint.

[SANDS]

aren't those all burr-brown type pre's? I would build or buy a seventh circle audio t15 if you want that range of pre, plus down the road you can add different colors as you get extra scratch.

two SCA t15's is about 488.00, plus you will have six empty slots to put whatever you want in.

Five fish studios also use the burr brown pre's like the t15 too, might want to check that too. Never used them, but I'm sure they are good if they are using the same parts as the SCA t15's.

I have neve pre's and I would have to say the N72 neve copy is amazing and cost way less, wish I would have found them long ago.

[SANDS]

oh yeah forgot,

acoustic guitar..... SCA c84, with LDC's mid side setup. Sometimes rode nt5's, one around the 12th fret range, one pointing around the bridge area until I get the attack I want.

Sometimes the portico neve with the silk switch engaged using one LDC pulled away to get the room sound only, depends on what you are doing, and if it's the main instrument at that point in the song or not.

I probably use the mid side setup more than anything, great for putting it where ever you want in the mix (I'm talking mostly rock music here) where all I really want is the sweet attack sound from the strumming and don't really care about much else, kinda like a glorified shaker effect, just want that nice airy highend to backup the electric guitars.

[dickiefunk]

Originally Posted by aleatoric

Can anyone chime in on how the auteur stacks up to the DMP3? I am considering "upgrading" my DMP3 to the BLA auteur but am wondering if it will really be worth my while as the autuer costs nearly $300 more than the DMP3. My pre's main use is for stereo micing of acoustic steel string guitars and percussion instruments.

I haven't tried the Auteur but for me the DMP3 excels at acoustic guitar! If you're not happy with your sound here then I'd firstly look at upgrading the guitar. If you've already got a decent acoustic then I'd look at improving the mics!?

[aleatoric]

Originally Posted by dickiefunk

I haven't tried the Auteur but for me the DMP3 excels at acoustic guitar! If you're not happy with your sound here then I'd firstly look at upgrading the guitar. If you've already got a decent acoustic then I'd look at improving the mics!?

right on. yea the things is in general i am happy with the sound i am getting with my guitar, room acoustics, mics and the dmp3. i guess i am just wondering if the auteur would be a good jump in overall sound quality. i remember feeling pretty good with my recording using the built in pre's on my audio interface than when i picked up a DMP3 i noticed a really nice improvement in the quality and clarity of my recordings. Sort of wondering if the same experience would be had if I upgraded to the auteur, or maybe i should just save my pennys. :)

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by dickiefunk

I haven't tried the Auteur but for me the DMP3 excels at acoustic guitar! If you're not happy with your sound here then I'd firstly look at upgrading the guitar. If you've already got a decent acoustic then I'd look at improving the mics!?

wow, never thought I'd see that. Seems like a Mackie vs a Neve clone.

Actually, LESS than Mackie

[Skorch Trakz]

who or what is black lion audio?

i keep hearin about them on gear slutz? someone care to explain?

[Heartfelt]

Black Lion Audio Auteur Mic Preamp

[Obitheincredible]

I was wondering the same thing but I would be using it more for vocals with a heil pro pr 40, karma k-35 and a hm7u. It would also be doing work with basic tracks for bass. Already have a dmp3 and a rnp but I was going to sell my mixer (soundcraft m4) for a nicer set of pres. which is better between the 2? rnp or bla? I was going to buy another rnp but this has me reconsidering...

[Skorch Trakz]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

Black Lion Audio Auteur Mic Preamp

not to jack the original poster's thread. just curious how good are they. is there a big difference in 003 and a blacklion edition.

[Tomer1]

I wish BLA added at least one DI (Active design I imagine active since they are using an trasformless input,transformer balanced output) to their pre.

[skiltrip]

If the Auteur had inserts I'd be more inclined to try it. But I am a big fan of the quality of the FMR products. The RNP/RNC combo is a steal for the $650 they cost new. (plus $5 in patch cables for the insert connection).

I would however like to A/B the RNP and Auteur for myself one day.

[retractablezing]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

wow, never thought I'd see that. Seems like a Mackie vs a Neve clone.

Actually, LESS than Mackie

did you ever try a dmp3?

[Heartfelt]

I did have a BLA pre and if it helps, the bottom is nice and big. It isn't woofy by any means but it will add a largeness to your tracks. It was a bit too much for me as my centerpiece pre but as a 2nd or for additional color, it would be amazing.

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by retractablezing

did you ever try a dmp3?

Are you trying to state that a DMP3 is better than an Onyx? c'mon, lemme hear you say it.

[retractablezing]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

Are you trying to state that a DMP3 is better than an Onyx? c'mon, lemme hear you say it.

sorry, for a moment there i thought you were comparing the dmp3 to the auteur. i'm sure the dmp3 is way better than any lower grade mackie though..

and since this was being discussed, having owned both the dmp3 and the rnp, it's the dmp3 i miss the most out of those 2. it's a great little pre for what it costs. the same can't be said about the rnp anymore (actually, it's been a long while since anyone can state something like that about the rnp).

haven't tried any onyx pres though, no.

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by dickiefunk

I haven't tried the Auteur but for me the DMP3 excels at acoustic guitar! If you're not happy with your sound here then I'd firstly look at upgrading the guitar. If you've already got a decent acoustic then I'd look at improving the mics!?

Apologies to you sir. I thought you had the BLA and DMP3 and were saying the DMP3 was a better preamp. I completely misunderstood and spoke out of line.

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by retractablezing

sorry, for a moment there i thought you were comparing the dmp3 to the auteur. i'm sure the dmp3 is way better than any lower grade mackie though..

and since this was being discussed, having owned both the dmp3 and the rnp, it's the dmp3 i miss the most out of those 2. it's a great little pre for what it costs. the same can't be said about the rnp anymore (actually, it's been a long while since anyone can state something like that about the rnp).

haven't tried any onyx pres though, no.

I'd probably agree on anything else Mackie.