Avantone cv-28...? Ye dig??

[Karloff70]

Hello fellow slutz. Before anyone gets too excited about the mention of these mics in the high end, the reasoning here is my curiosity regarding ye high end slutz opinions on the matter. Also very curious if anyone has compared them a/b to KM54's and what thoughts occured if so......

Can't rid my head of the spiel from their site, where someone (who got payed) says how close they are to KM54's.....can someone help me get rid of this hopeful notion, or better still, not entirely get rid of it if possible.....

Have this perverted dream of putting Gefell M94 nickel capsules on these (with the resistor pulled out, so they're not looking for 60V as in MV692, but around 40V).......

Anyone care to feed my OCD or perhaps cure it?

[Karloff70]

What, no one??? Come one ye slutz.......someone must have tried these things......

[warhead]

Well, I figured you would not want to hear from somebody who sells them since you already don't trust the comments on the page and think somebody was "paid" to say that...!

War

[Karloff70]

Totally unrelated always feels more exciting.......having said that I love to hear your take on them Warhead........

[electropoet]

Yes...are these the same design as the Groove tubes GT44? I'm having a hard time figuring out all the different offshoots...you have the newer GT40, the Sterling Audio ST44, the AM40 Alesis version, and now the CR-28...is this the same design/mic? If its chinese made, how much different can it really be from the the Sterling ST44, besides red? I'd really like to know.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by electropoet

Yes...are these the same design as the Groove tubes GT44? I'm having a hard time figuring out all the different offshoots...you have the newer GT40, the Sterling Audio ST44, the AM40 Alesis version, and now the CR-28...is this the same design/mic? If its chinese made, how much different can it really be from the the Sterling ST44, besides red? I'd really like to know.

good point.....no idea......anyone?

[warhead]

I can say they are 100% Chinese made, I cannot however say if they are or are not the same as any GT mics or others.

The build quality is quite decent on the Avant, although the finely threaded capsules require special attention and care when removing or replacing.

I really like the sound of the CV-28, very all purpose but they do have a bit of vibe to them. All 3 capsules have a different sound also, I prefer the cardioid cap overall. It has a cool presence and air to it, by comparison to something like the Oktava MK-012 the CV-28 has more sparkle and air, and the mids are less forward on the CV-28 as well as it having a tighter low end response (the MK-012 if anything can get a bit woofy on the bottom).

The CV-28 can deliver a "finished" sort of sound on drums also, their response curve fits drums nicely.

There is something a bit more forgiving about the CV-28 vs many other SDC mics, a presence that isn't harsh sort of thing.

War

[electropoet]

Originally Posted by warhead

I can say they are 100% Chinese made, I cannot however say if they are or are not the same as any GT mics or others.

The build quality is quite decent on the Avant, although the finely threaded capsules require special attention and care when removing or replacing.

I really like the sound of the CV-28, very all purpose but they do have a bit of vibe to them. All 3 capsules have a different sound also, I prefer the cardioid cap overall. It has a cool presence and air to it, by comparison to something like the Oktava MK-012 the CV-28 has more sparkle and air, and the mids are less forward on the CV-28 as well as it having a tighter low end response (the MK-012 if anything can get a bit woofy on the bottom).

The CV-28 can deliver a "finished" sort of sound on drums also, their response curve fits drums nicely.

There is something a bit more forgiving about the CV-28 vs many other SDC mics, a presence that isn't harsh sort of thing.

War

I appreciate the input. Do you have any experience with the GT44's (or Gt40's). I am desperately trying to track a pair of 44's down...but they don't show up used very often. They are fantastic for x/y acoustic guitar recording. Wondering how the Avant's compare. Somewhere i've heard that it is the GT design, chinese made...but with a higher quality QA process than sterling audio...can't remember where I read that. In any case...the inter-changable capsules kind of gives it away...as this is exactly the design of the GT40...Groove tubes last version of the 44 (which was cardioid only).

Thanks.

[warhead]

I never seriously used any of those GT mics, sorry I cannot comment.

War

[Crash]

Originally Posted by electropoet

I appreciate the input. Do you have any experience with the GT44's (or Gt40's). I am desperately trying to track a pair of 44's down...but they don't show up used very often. They are fantastic for x/y acoustic guitar recording. Wondering how the Avant's compare. Somewhere i've heard that it is the GT design, chinese made...but with a higher quality QA process than sterling audio...can't remember where I read that. In any case...the inter-changable capsules kind of gives it away...as this is exactly the design of the GT40...Groove tubes last version of the 44 (which was cardioid only).

Thanks.

I have a pair of GT44s. They don't suck. The only thing I dislike about them is that they can get rather strident sounding with the wrong pre. The GT44s with a Focusrite Red8 was brutal, not in the good way. With a darker meatier pre they are the shiznits. We are tracking an album right now using them on various acoustic parts with a Peavey VMP-2 tube pre and digging the sounds we are getting.

[Karloff70]

all interesting stuff...........acoustics would be my target area aswell.......

[leigh]

Karloff, did you (or anyone else here) wind up trying the Avant CV-28?

I have one Groove Tubes AM40 which I'm fond of, and always wanted to track down an omni capsule for it. Has anyone tried the Avant capsules in older GT or Alesis mics of the same make? It looks like the same mic, but I haven't gotten to peek under the hood...

thanks,
Leigh

[Karloff70]

Nope, never did.

[Den]

Originally Posted by warhead

I can say they are 100% Chinese made, I cannot however say if they are or are not the same as any GT mics or others.

The build quality is quite decent on the Avant, although the finely threaded capsules require special attention and care when removing or replacing.

I really like the sound of the CV-28, very all purpose but they do have a bit of vibe to them. All 3 capsules have a different sound also, I prefer the cardioid cap overall. It has a cool presence and air to it, by comparison to something like the Oktava MK-012 the CV-28 has more sparkle and air, and the mids are less forward on the CV-28 as well as it having a tighter low end response (the MK-012 if anything can get a bit woofy on the bottom).

The CV-28 can deliver a "finished" sort of sound on drums also, their response curve fits drums nicely.

There is something a bit more forgiving about the CV-28 vs many other SDC mics, a presence that isn't harsh sort of thing.

War

Hi War,
I share your opinion 100% on this microphone. Here is the site where everybody can hear samples of all Avant mics or other listed in the box.
(on guitars, vocals, etc.)
http://www.***************.com/jamroomsessions_home.php

I am really interested into this one.

[Den]

“Occasionally a piece of equipment shows up that brings real quality to the marketplace at an affordable price. AVANTONE has done exactly that with the CV12 and CV 28 microphones. In fact, I can't remember something so good being so affordable. These mics sound terrific, are robustly built, and look great to boot. These are wonderful mics, affordable within any budget. They hold their own with my U48, C24, and other high end microphones which are twenty times more expensive!"
Tony Berg PRODUCER
(Pete Yorn, Nickel Creek, Michael Penn, Squeeze, Edie Brickell, etc.)

“...I was shocked at what I heard the first time I put up the CV-28. I was recording George Doering and his army of acoustic guitars. My usual choices for these sessions are my Neumann KM-54 and my Royer 121 active ribbon mic. The CV-28 had just been delivered that afternoon, so we decided to put it up right next to the KM-54. I initially plugged both mics into two channels of my Millenia mic pre, but at first listen I thought it was a little too open and switched to a pair of API pres. Amazing! At first, it was extremely difficult to hear a difference between the Neumann and the CV-28. After a few minutes of listening, it felt like the Neumann was just slightly more refined, but not so much that I preferred it to the CV-28 (remember that I'm comparing the 28 to one of the all-time great mics here!). Rather than make a decision right there, I just recorded both mics. When it came time to mix, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the CV-28 often times worked better than the Neumann...Well Done..."
Chris Fogel PRODUCER/ ENGINEER
(Alanis Morissette, Sheryl Crow , Aerosmith, Seal, etc.)

[bee]

Originally Posted by Den

Hi War,
I share your opinion 100% on this microphone. Here is the site where everybody can hear samples of all Avant mics or other listed in the box.
(on guitars, vocals, etc.)
http://www.***************.com/jamroomsessions_home.php

I am really interested into this one.

Link not working.

[leigh]

As a followup to my previous questions about comparing the Avantone to Alesis/Groove Tubes AM40, I found some photos online (I think on the Avantone site) that showed the capsules up close. They are NOT compatible, at least not mechanically - one has inner threads on the capsule, while the other has outer threads on the capsule.

Leigh