Art MPA Gold Clips! - Page 2

mamm7215 · 16th October 2008

All good points, it does seem the mullards or other NOS GOOD tubes widen the sweet spot on this unit. It may never be a Great River but with the right guy at the knobs it may never matter. For my use, I don't stack pre-amped tracks so it's only vox and bass and some guitars through it. Never 10-20 tracks through the MPA. I do have an NOS RCA 6072A in my modded Apex460 and, yeah, it helped there, too.
Great thread.

prslespaul · 16th October 2008

Well guys, i finally made time to remix it a bit. I pulled the guitars down 1.5db and added a tad bit more low end. I scooted the guitars closer together in phase instead of farther away because it actually added that little bass i was looking for in the guitars. What i did to widen them up was put a stereo imager in the last part of the chain when i was mastering. Let me know what you guys think? Better, Worse? Oh, and also i finally got my chameleon pre amp in the mail. Im sure ill be posting a new clip within the next few days!

probe toolz · 16th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mylithra

Sounds great.
+1 to bring out the lead vocal. As good as the load vocal track is it could stand to be brought out a little more.
The guitar sounds pretty good as well.. I think it could use a touch more body.

Its a great recording

ditto.

BudgetMC · 16th October 2008

Since we're feelin' the MPA love here, I thought I'd add a quick track I did for my harp player, so he would have something to work out his parts to.

The chain here is a MXL 960 into the MPA (through a Jan Phillips 12AX7) for the vocals. The acoustic is an MXL v67g into the MPA (through a Mullard 12AX7). BTW, I don't normally use the v46g for acoustic, but it happened to be on the stand...

BOWIE · 17th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BudgetMC

Since we're feelin' the MPA love here, I thought I'd add a quick track I did for my harp player, so he would have something to work out his parts to.

The chain here is a MXL 960 into the MPA (through a Jan Phillips 12AX7) for the vocals. The acoustic is an MXL v67g into the MPA (through a Mullard 12AX7). BTW, I don't normally use the v46g for acoustic, but it happened to be on the stand...

Cool stuff!

I'd love to hear it with the harp in there too.

BudgetMC · 17th October 2008

Thanks... we're demoing up a bunch of material trying to pick out what works best for an album of cover tunes. My harp buddy is Blake Taylor, who has really made a name for himself in the midwest as a killer harmonica guy. He hangs with folks like Jason Ricci when they're in town, and even sat in with Spoon at their most recent Cincy gig. You can check out our myspace page for some of his work.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programing...

PhatChanzStudios · 17th October 2008

Well, even after building and using the SCA N72 (which is awesome)- the MPA gold stays in the rack. It's got it's own sound. Here's a clip MPA on vox, guitars and bass. Stock tubes. Chain is GT66>MPA Gold>Pro Vla>EMU 1820m>
Sonar 7. Love it for bass DI. I think on multiple tracks the preamp noise can add up quickly if you're not careful, though. N72>Pro Vla thumbsup up another notch on the quality ladder.Crossed My Mind.mp3

Weasel9992 · 17th October 2008

Ahhhh crap...I don't usually do this, but these guys won't mind. This is a pre-production push mix I just tracked for a band a week ago or so. Vocals are SM7>MPA (Telefunken)>Pro VLA (Mullard)>SSL converters. Bass is 80's P-Bass>MPA (Amperex)>Pro VLA (Mullard)>SSL's. Guitars and drums are a mix of Great River, RNP, API and 1073 clones.

It's a push mix guys...no processing whatsoever. Stuff's just placed where it should go and that's about it.

***WARNING*** RELIGIOUS CONTENT. IF THAT OFFENDS YOU, DON'T LISTEN.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=14895

Frank

HeavyG · 17th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by prslespaul

Well guys, i finally made time to remix it a bit. I pulled the guitars down 1.5db and added a tad bit more low end. I scooted the guitars closer together in phase instead of farther away because it actually added that little bass i was looking for in the guitars. What i did to widen them up was put a stereo imager in the last part of the chain when i was mastering. Let me know what you guys think? Better, Worse? Oh, and also i finally got my chameleon pre amp in the mail. Im sure ill be posting a new clip within the next few days!

nice...a little softer edge to the acoustic...and the vocals are a little more prominent. Great track...even if it was recorded on a Panasonic Boombox.

HeavyG · 17th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOWIE

Cool stuff!

I'd love to hear it with the harp in there too.

Yeah...GIVE ME SOME HARP! Nice tune...dig the vibe.

BOWIE · 17th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasel9992

Ahhhh crap...I don't usually do this, but these guys won't mind. This is a pre-production push mix I just tracked for a band a week ago or so. Vocals are SM7>MPA (Telefunken)>Pro VLA (Mullard)>SSL converters. Bass is 80's P-Bass>MPA (Amperex)>Pro VLA (Mullard)>SSL's. Guitars and drums are a mix of Great River, RNP, API and 1073 clones.

It's a push mix guys...no processing whatsoever. Stuff's just placed where it should go and that's about it.

***WARNING*** RELIGIOUS CONTENT. IF THAT OFFENDS YOU, DON'T LISTEN.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=14895

Frank

Frank, that's killer! Superb example of what we're talking about here. Gotta say I dig the music too! The raw mix really works for them. If you don't mind, let me know after you mix it, I'd love to hear the finished product.

Ironklad Audio · 18th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mylithra

The input gain drives the tube.

ok, gotcha

i sort of figured that's what was meant, but i was just verifying that i wasn't nuts

SeanG · 18th October 2008

I've had new Sovtek 6922's out preform 60's Amperex New York PQ 6922's at about 10% of the price.

It's pretty easy to find new tubes that sound and perform as good or better than the old tubes and are a lot more affordable.
JJ Tesla, Electro Harmonix, and Mullard to name a few.

SeanG · 18th October 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOWIE

They won't make much difference. Some people think they do but those people have not tried high-end vintage tubes.
...snip...

I've tried both many times and the JJ tesla's perform just as good or better than overpriced NOS tubes.

I agree with the OP Welcome to TubeDepot.com! is great, and you don't have to worry about getting ripped off by "hign-end" old tube jockies.

Heartfelt · 18th October 2008

Could the new BLA pre be the next champion of the low end pres? $325

The MPA could be in trouble.

prslespaul · 20th October 2008

Hey guys i just posted another thread with clips of my Chameleon Labs 7602 if you care to hear it. Let me know what you think.

Chameleon Labs 7602 Clip!!--

hakim · 19th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by mamm7215

Mullard seems to have more fullness/dimension. I'm going to get another for the other channel, too. Maybe my VLA as well.

Wow do the vintage Tubes sound that much better than the new productions?

bcgood · 20th November 2008

This song was tracked entirely with a stock ART Pro Channel and I mean everything: bass, piano, vocals, kick, snare, cymbals and all percussion instruments.

(I removed the link, limited time offer sorry.)

I recorded this quite a long time ago
but it just goes to show...

Cheers,

bcg

Heartfelt · 20th November 2008

No offense intended but it doesn't seem center enough to be a good demo about using an Art Product.

bcgood · 20th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

No offense intended but it doesn't seem center enough to be a good demo about using an Art Product.

What do you mean by center?

Heartfelt · 20th November 2008

With respect, what I mean is center = norm

Norm being a full band. Your clip seemed a bit more on the ambient side.

bcgood · 20th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

With respect, what I mean is center = norm

Norm being a full band. Your clip seemed a bit more on the ambient side.

This is a full band. The band's name is The Musical Instrument Digital Interfaces. There are sixteen members in all!

dickiefunk · 20th November 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcgood

This song was tracked entirely with a stock ART Pro Channel and I mean everything: bass, piano, vocals, kick, snare, cymbals and all percussion instruments.

Makes_No_Sense_bcgood.wav

I recorded this quite a long time ago
but it just goes to show...

Cheers,

bcg

What mic did you use on the vocals? Also, what interface/converters did you use?

hirocaster · 2nd December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickiefunk

What mic did you use on the vocals? Also, what interface/converters did you use?

bump, i want to know it too

hakim · 10th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOWIE

Tube depot is a good place and I buy my boxes from them but if you can't afford $159 for one Telefunken, my tubes are as-good (often better) and are auditioned in actual mic preamps (along with being tested on tube testers).

Yeah but what about the Black Sable tubes. Do yours compare to that issue?

BOWIE · 11th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by hakim

Yeah but what about the Black Sable tubes. Do yours compare to that issue?

"Black Sable" is just a name they give their cryogenicly treated tubes. I have not bothered with them but here's the general concensus which you will find around the net:
"This has been discussed multiple times in multiple forums. Usually, the discussion dies down quickly when someone with materials engineering experience provides some science. Bottom line is that cryogenic treatment will provide no benefit to the materials used in tubes... -Rich"
Taken from Granger Amp forums.

Track 7 · 11th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOWIE

I'm really glad to see someone post how good humble gear can sound with vintage tubes!

+1 absolutely

Track 7 · 11th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by hakim

Wow do the vintage Tubes sound that much better than the new productions?

YES do an A/B test and you will become a NOS freak!

Track 7 · 11th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by prslespaul

Well guys, i finally made time to remix it a bit. I pulled the guitars down 1.5db and added a tad bit more low end. I scooted the guitars closer together in phase instead of farther away because it actually added that little bass i was looking for in the guitars. What i did to widen them up was put a stereo imager in the last part of the chain when i was mastering. Let me know what you guys think? Better, Worse? Oh, and also i finally got my chameleon pre amp in the mail. Im sure ill be posting a new clip within the next few days!

fantastic, thanks... excellent performance as well...

KeithMoonwannabe · 11th December 2008

Wow this is absolutely stunning. I love the sound of this. I just wish I had a firewire card because it makes me wanna try out the ST79 I won on ebay months ago but haven't really been able to since my other laptop died and my new one doesn't have a port for my saffire pro 10 i.o yet.

I'm wondering if I should rethink buying an ART MPA now cuz this sounds nothing short of spectacular and that's with essentially the same mic as me.

Don't know if I can sing as well as the OP but nonetheless I'll go down trying.

16th October 2008	#31
mamm7215 Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: BC Canada Posts: 454	All good points, it does seem the mullards or other NOS GOOD tubes widen the sweet spot on this unit. It may never be a Great River but with the right guy at the knobs it may never matter. For my use, I don't stack pre-amped tracks so it's only vox and bass and some guitars through it. Never 10-20 tracks through the MPA. I do have an NOS RCA 6072A in my modded Apex460 and, yeah, it helped there, too. Great thread. __________________ Strat, Cort C4Z Bass, K-Yairi Semi-acoustic, Sonar 8PE,Drawmer 1968ME, Apex 460 (modded), SP C-1, SM57, Apex 205(modded), Blues Jr. amp, Boss GT-8, Roland D20 for Keys/midi, Yamaha DTXpressII, M-patch2 monitor controller, Konnekt48, SCA n72's, S-Patch Plus patch bay, Adam A7's, various plugs and softs.

17th October 2008	#37
PhatChanzStudios Gear interested Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northeast Posts: 21	Mpa gold! Well, even after building and using the SCA N72 (which is awesome)- the MPA gold stays in the rack. It's got it's own sound. Here's a clip MPA on vox, guitars and bass. Stock tubes. Chain is GT66>MPA Gold>Pro Vla>EMU 1820m> Sonar 7. Love it for bass DI. I think on multiple tracks the preamp noise can add up quickly if you're not careful, though. N72>Pro Vla thumbsup up another notch on the quality ladder.Crossed My Mind.mp3

17th October 2008	#38
Weasel9992 Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 4,339	Ahhhh crap...I don't usually do this, but these guys won't mind. This is a pre-production push mix I just tracked for a band a week ago or so. Vocals are SM7>MPA (Telefunken)>Pro VLA (Mullard)>SSL converters. Bass is 80's P-Bass>MPA (Amperex)>Pro VLA (Mullard)>SSL's. Guitars and drums are a mix of Great River, RNP, API and 1073 clones. It's a push mix guys...no processing whatsoever. Stuff's just placed where it should go and that's about it. *WARNING* RELIGIOUS CONTENT. IF THAT OFFENDS YOU, DON'T LISTEN. http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=14895 Frank __________________ Frank

18th October 2008	#43
SeanG Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ ~ USA Posts: 721	I've had new Sovtek 6922's out preform 60's Amperex New York PQ 6922's at about 10% of the price. It's pretty easy to find new tubes that sound and perform as good or better than the old tubes and are a lot more affordable. JJ Tesla, Electro Harmonix, and Mullard to name a few. __________________ ... ... ... ... ... ... Sean SRG studios

18th October 2008	#45
Heartfelt Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,434	Could the new BLA pre be the next champion of the low end pres? $325 The MPA could be in trouble. __________________ Robert Smith Houston, TX www.RobertSmithMusic.com

17th October 2008	#36
BudgetMC Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ameliastan Posts: 3,949 1 Review written	Thanks... we're demoing up a bunch of material trying to pick out what works best for an album of cover tunes. My harp buddy is Blake Taylor, who has really made a name for himself in the midwest as a killer harmonica guy. He hangs with folks like Jason Ricci when they're in town, and even sat in with Spoon at their most recent Cincy gig. You can check out our myspace page for some of his work. And now back to our regularly scheduled programing...

20th October 2008	#46
prslespaul Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St. Louis Posts: 189 Thread Starter	Hey guys i just posted another thread with clips of my Chameleon Labs 7602 if you care to hear it. Let me know what you think. Chameleon Labs 7602 Clip!!--

20th November 2008	#48
bcgood Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,904	This song was tracked entirely with a stock ART Pro Channel and I mean everything: bass, piano, vocals, kick, snare, cymbals and all percussion instruments. (I removed the link, limited time offer sorry.) I recorded this quite a long time ago but it just goes to show... Cheers, bcg __________________ bcgood

11th December 2008	#60
KeithMoonwannabe Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,219	Wow this is absolutely stunning. I love the sound of this. I just wish I had a firewire card because it makes me wanna try out the ST79 I won on ebay months ago but haven't really been able to since my other laptop died and my new one doesn't have a port for my saffire pro 10 i.o yet. I'm wondering if I should rethink buying an ART MPA now cuz this sounds nothing short of spectacular and that's with essentially the same mic as me. Don't know if I can sing as well as the OP but nonetheless I'll go down trying.

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