Low Frequency SUB BOOM for heavy song

[-silent-sam-]

Hey I am working on some songs for a hardcore / metal band and they want some low frequency sub BOOMS in the song.

Anyone know where I can get one that is pre-made?

or does anyone have any tips on making a good one?

[Jaques Beraques]

Just generate a short sine-wave with a frequency somewhere between 20 and 40 hz, give it a short attack, but long enough to prevent clicking, a short , smooth release (quarter- or eigthnotes work often ), and layer it under the Kick. Depending on your monitoring you should be carefull with it. Better to Mix it too low than too loud.

[sleepyhollos]

If you got Drumagog (it's quite expensive I think) you can set it onto the Kick track and make the relevant setting and it will layer a sine or whatever. That will achieve what the chap before is talking about but automatically.

Saves you having to do each note individually.

Maybe if the sessions pay enough you can buy a copy if you don't already have it and it's a really good weapon to have in your artillery. great for fixing messed up drum tracks too, with a bit of perseverance.

Good luck.

[Kadden Heart]

i've done two ways:

open reason rewire... use my MPD to drop some 808's where i want
(oftentimes i'll end up playing with a fuzzy white noise type tihng in bridges also)

or

cut a kick, place it where you want the boom, pitch the kick down, EQ all the high end out of it,..maybe stretch teh audio sample, a bit,
put a frequency generator on that track, then put a gate on it,..adjust eh gate to let the low frequency sine wave through,..

when done correctly the since wave trick should work just fine, you may want to also put a square wave low freq in there (probably lower than the sine wave)
and dont forget to audiosuite some low end heavy reverb on it to


btw:
about what sleepyhollos said
i spent money o drumagog, also have sound replacer,...i found it STILL just use tab-to-transient ot drop samples

[D. Rumble]

I take it you're talking about the kick drum?

If I don't have access to a woofer or nice LD condenser mic to put in front of the kick at the recording session, I do this:

Duplicate the kick drum track (minus inserts/FX/EQ). First reverse the phase of the duplicate track. Then roll off everything above 60 Hz, and put a big peak at 35 Hz.
Add a compressor with a slow attack and fast release. Mix that in to liking. I sometimes also run it through Waves Rbass.
Works for me...

When an entire mix seems to be missing some fatness, I sometimes do the same with the bass guitar.

d.

[danranges]

808 samples work really well.

i take it you are talking about bass drops, not kick replacements.

[BLUElightCory]

I agree on using an 808 sample if you're going for bass drops.

I downloaded an 808 sample online (look for one that's nice and deep with some sustain, as there are many 808 samples out there with varying pitch and sustain) and run it through Waves R-Bass. Works like a charm.

Cory Spotts

[Reza]

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There's loads royalty free sample packs created by other users that you can download from the forum.

A solid 808 would probably be your best starting point.

[-silent-sam-]

Originally Posted by danranges

808 samples work really well.

i take it you are talking about bass drops, not kick replacements.

Yeah thats correct... I am talking about like a single low I guess "bass drop" during the song .... not sample replacements

[Blast9]

You can also create a "sorta" 808 type boom from a kick drum sample (eg undamped jazz kik with a bit of sustain and lots of low end body)

drum sound >>> EQ with narrow Q - boost for example 60 Hz or the main fundamental or octave a lot >>> distortion plugin with lots of gain >>> filter or resonant filter to around the boosted pitch ... Just sweep the 1st EQ til you hear the frequency singing or humming.

because it is a real kik you're processing, you'll also get teh pitch drop after teh initial beater attack

[greyskull]

theres the most perfect one in the samples at the end of the ..:[ www.pitchshifter.com ]:.. album.

[Robert Randolph]

You can also try generating a sine between 20hz-60hz, and mixing in some bandlimited white noise (resonant low pass at ~100hz).

Then sidechain a gate triggered by the 'real' kick, or some sort of triggering device that opens the gate on the generated channel.

Everytime the kick hits, it will open the gate on the generated channel making a nice boom and release dependent on the gate settings.

You can tweak the lpf on the bandlimited noose to get more body to it, or more pure sine.

[Terminus Est]

Originally Posted by D. Rumble

I take it you're talking about the kick drum?

If I don't have access to a woofer or nice LD condenser mic to put in front of the kick at the recording session, I do this:

Duplicate the kick drum track (minus inserts/FX/EQ). First reverse the phase of the duplicate track. Then roll off everything above 60 Hz, and put a big peak at 35 Hz.
Add a compressor with a slow attack and fast release. Mix that in to liking. I sometimes also run it through Waves Rbass.
Works for me...

When an entire mix seems to be missing some fatness, I sometimes do the same with the bass guitar.

d.

Then again, just about every idea listed is solid. The sine-wave trick will work and you can feel like you're from the 80's, using oldschool tricks.

Drumagog IS a nifty little program and, as mentioned, it'll pretty much do the same sine-wave trick automatically for you. More than that, you can fully customize the sound you want and then make Drumagog do the rest of the work for you.

Rbass is my friend as well. In fact, I had a track with a real lousy sounding bass that I distorted to hell and in the process of adding the distortion, I lost a lot of the low end. Plugged in Rbass and voila, my balls are vibrating from the sweet, sweet lows.

[chribble]

Originally Posted by silent-sam

Yeah thats correct... I am talking about like a single low I guess "bass drop" during the song .... not sample replacements

try automating a synth sub hit to and lower the pitch or work it into an envelope somehow.

Try layering an acoustic kick with an 808 and roll the pitch down gradually on the sample and compress it hard.

BT style.

[chribble]

or.............................. get akai dance kicks.

[Stevil]

go rent the Hulk movie that came out a couple years ago. theres a fight scene where he gets tossed into a lake & the military planes drop a bomb in the lake. real fat sub kick sound when that thing goes off. sample it & run it thru some eq, comp or a filter to taste & you should be good to go.

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by Stevil

go rent the Hulk movie that came out a couple years ago. theres a fight scene where he gets tossed into a lake & the military planes drop a bomb in the lake. real fat sub kick sound when that thing goes off. sample it & run it thru some eq, comp or a filter to taste & you should be good to go.

i would go do that for personal use,..problem is,..how the hell can i expect my 22" TV to reproduce that well enough to mic up
lol

any music that happens to have a big explosion before any music?

[Stevil]

Originally Posted by Kadden Heart

i would go do that for personal use,..problem is,..how the hell can i expect my 22" TV to reproduce that well enough to mic up
lol

ummm, dvd player rca out to line in on your pre/mixer/soundcard/whatever.

any music that happens to have a big explosion before any music?

there used to be a ton of military sound fx disks for dirt cheap in the used bins @ the old CD store chains. should be a few of those floating around somewhere.

hey...
Half.com / Music / Sonic Booms 3
Half.com / Music / Sound Effects

[EvilE]

def go for 808 and you can blend in some samples like military stuff (bombs, planes, etc...) i like to do a lot of pitch shifting and what not. lot's of fun!!! try to find some hollywood edge stuff.

good luck

[Kadden Heart]

Originally Posted by Stevil

ummm, dvd player rca out to line in on your pre/mixer/soundcard/whatever.





there used to be a ton of military sound fx disks for dirt cheap in the used bins @ the old CD store chains. should be a few of those floating around somewhere.

hey...
Half.com / Music / Sonic Booms 3
Half.com / Music / Sound Effects

thanks, i will check all the options out.
,..rca to line in,.. :smacks self in head:

[daverich]

another vote for 808 here

Kind regards

Dave Rich