Low End Console- Oxymoron(?)

[Chaellus]

lu432
Gear nut

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Miami
Posts: 93


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaellus
dont need to be eqing 40k thats a bit ridicuolus....i low pass everything above 18khz all the time... and still sounds great...


Dang.... You kill all the air in your mixes? Rough.






oh it aint that bad my friend its actually good with the way i work since i boost alot in the 8k 10k 12k range for most instruments i dont need that 18k...especailly on vox it will help with sibliance as well while still maintaning clarity.. imagine if you had to do mixing or mastering prep work for vinyl??? you surely wouldnt be eqing at 40k that would be deadly.. i guess i did come off a bit rude saying it was ridiclous...ridiclous for my setup yes..probably not for yours and i do understand that there is a notable sign that can be percieved by the ear when boosting at Frequencies that high i just dont find that benifit.... my theory on that is that f you were to eq something like 30k that it would make a noticable peak as if you were eqing 15k and then 7.5k almost like nyquist but for me it isnt of any use which i tihnk its neat that everyone can mix totally diffrent and still get something similar, im also sure it would be dumb to eq 40k if your using a sampling rate of 44.1 so youd need to be sampling at 88.2 i belive it is... but yeah on the subject about analog gear nothing beats it and i try to keep everything mostly analog but if im using digital tools the tritone stuff and other convolution device come to great use.. dont be fearful about analog going away, i doubt it will ever go away...if it does...then i am too..

[Chaellus]

i tryed the toft atb board at namm 08 and i have to say great for the price and the eq's are great

[LaLaFaV]

Originally Posted by bgrotto

Anyway, there IS a company that hooked up something like a 500-series desk...It came up here on GS a year or so ago...I'm totally blanking on the name right now, though. It's a couple of buckets that form the modules for channels, with a fader for each channel, as well as a direct output (I didn't see any bussing capabilities, but they coulda been in there). Also no aux sends to speak of. It's basically like a Lunchbox with an output fader. Primitive, but along the lines of what you're talking about.

I'm sure if you search GS or the interwebs hard enough you can find it.

How about this one?
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-p...ame-style.html

[Bassmankr]

I'm restoring a 24 buss AMR desk so guess which side of the fence I'm on LOL. It's the flaws in analog that we love. A perfect mic would capture the performance WITHOUT any coloration as would a perfect mic pre boost signal level WITHOUT any coloration as would a perfect compressor compress WITHOUT any coloration. While there is analog gear that we use that provides very little coloration (transparent), any look in a big studio or browsing the high end forum will tell you the most sought after gear is the stuff that colors the audio in a way we like (old tube mics/Neve-API-Quad 8 pres/LA2A-1176 comps). To me analog is like candy, the type and flavors change over the ages but we still love candy just as we did a thousand years ago and more than likely will continue to do so in the future. There is some analog gear that is just plain candy. As for digital emulating everything analog, it's got a ways to go and with dynamic effects it's even got longer to get there.

Given that the depreciation curve of most things digital looks like a steep cliff and given the relative flat curve of buying USED analog gear, my advice is to use a hybrid approach for us low enders for now and when/if all digital gets there soundwise then do it then. Use both, buy the stuff where it makes the most sense for what it does. As for the original question, I believe there are good low cost desks out there that make sense to buy for us low enders. You will get some candy in the form of stereo field/depth, nice workflow (face it knobs and faders work for audio and that's why the digital desks/controllers have them), no latency cues for the talent. On the downside is upkeep and no total recall (you can do alot of automation in your DAW though if using a hybrid approach). The pros and cons have been debated back and forth in alot of other threads here. Some people don't have a sweet tooth or give up some candy for the practicalities of digital, as for me, I'll take some candy.

[cdog]

Originally Posted by PoorGlory

Go ahead and generate a 20hz signal and tell me if you can hear it.

I cant hear it so much as FEEL it. But I think you meant khz.

Anyhoo, I think the MACKIE ONYX series is amazing for the money.

I still prefer to mix ITB, even over a high end desk.