Anyone disappointed with a Peluso 22-47 ?

[houndog328]

Anyone disappointed with a Peluso 22-47? I'm thinking of buying one to get me in that 47 / 67 type range, I know it's not EXACTLY like a 47 or 67 but as an old-school type tube mic how does it rate?

[shortyprs]

What do you want to use it for and are you looking at the 22-47 or 22-47LE?

I have an early 22-47. It does a lot of things very nicely. Lately I've used it on electric guitar amp for a very nice clean tone and on a classical project with nylon stringed guitar and flute. It can be very nice on drum OH. Great for voice over. In general, I haven't preferred it for vocals or acoustic. Too much mid-presence. The 22-47LE is supposed to be much better for these applications.

[soupking]

I had one. I sold it. Not because of the quality, but because SoundPure.com was braggin about how it had a "Telefunken EF14" tube in it.

I paid the extra money and when it showed up, I took it apart and inside was a "Valvo EF12".

Now this was not on the ad posted.

I was furious. I wrote flaming emails to both SoundPure and Peluso. I was given the explanation that Valvo and Telefunken were the same tube that came from the same factory with different names due to "business" or something. Great, fine, give me the history lesson BEFORE I pay $1600.

They were both very courteous. John Peluso even said I could send it back and he'd re-fit it with one that said Telefunken. He said that the EF12's lasted longer yadda yadda yadda. Do I want to send it back? No. I wanted what I paid for the first time. I don't want more hassle.

So, I A/B'd it against many well-respected competitor microphones. I even thought it sounded better in some regards with my naive ears.

Whatever, I am still feeling naive and going to feel like a tool when I set up the microphone.

I sold it because of the entire sales experience, in fact I haven't gone back. But I mostly buy vintage gear anyway so that's irrelevant.

Sorry to flame, but it's been over a year. You posted about the 2247 LE and I had to get that off my chest.

If I were you I'd surf eBay for a while for a used Soundelux e47. They don't go used market for much more, and I met David Bock personally. He's a technical genius, and very nice fellow.

Overall, the Peluso 2247 LE is a very nice microphone. I'm sure the person I sold it to is very happy with it

biased 2 cents,
-soupking

[idrinkalot]

yeah, thats the most perplexing year old story i've ever heard.

[shortyprs]

And for those who aren't used to buying tubes, its very, very, very common for a tube to be rebranded. The tube is the same. The marketing has changed.

[houndog328]

Was kind hoping it would be a bout the sound, anyway... to answer an earlier question it would be for male vocals, room sound, ambient drums, cabs. In the way a 47 is used with good results.

[Roc Mixwell]

Why start the thread like that?? Can't you just ask for a review on a piece of gear without shooting it down first. Might make for some interesting debate about other options that may or may not exist on this planet we call earth, (ooops.....I mean the planet we call the internet).

Yes....the 47 is an infamous microphone...............

There are 4 gazillion other microphones that work wonders in a good room,

whats the music? the style??
Whats the texture your going for????

I don't need a 47 (or a 47 clone) to get really good solid tracks to tape,
Its just not that mythical.......................or is it..............................

[pbell]

thumbsup To my Peluso 2247 Le and service I've gotten which has been impeccable. Heck, I did a session with some seasoned jazz musicians a few weeks ago and everyone in the room loved the mic. I never even brought it up, just set it up, let the singer sing and everyone in the room was like "wow that mic sounds amazing, what is it?" etc.

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by soupking

I had one. I sold it. Not because of the quality, but because SoundPure.com was braggin about how it had a "Telefunken EF14" tube in it.

I paid the extra money and when it showed up, I took it apart and inside was a "Valvo EF12".

Now this was not on the ad posted.

I was furious. I wrote flaming emails to both SoundPure and Peluso. I was given the explanation that Valvo and Telefunken were the same tube that came from the same factory with different names due to "business" or something. Great, fine, give me the history lesson BEFORE I pay $1600.

They were both very courteous. John Peluso even said I could send it back and he'd re-fit it with one that said Telefunken. He said that the EF12's lasted longer yadda yadda yadda. Do I want to send it back? No. I wanted what I paid for the first time. I don't want more hassle.

So, I A/B'd it against many well-respected competitor microphones. I even thought it sounded better in some regards with my naive ears.

Whatever, I am still feeling naive and going to feel like a tool when I set up the microphone.

I sold it because of the entire sales experience, in fact I haven't gone back. But I mostly buy vintage gear anyway so that's irrelevant.

Sorry to flame, but it's been over a year. You posted about the 2247 LE and I had to get that off my chest.

If I were you I'd surf eBay for a while for a used Soundelux e47. They don't go used market for much more, and I met David Bock personally. He's a technical genius, and very nice fellow.

Overall, the Peluso 2247 LE is a very nice microphone. I'm sure the person I sold it to is very happy with it

biased 2 cents,
-soupking

Wow. That's king of silly soupking. I mean, like, . . . wow.

[soupking]

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

Wow. That's king of silly soupking. I mean, like, . . . wow.

The truth is Henry, I like reading an advertised product and getting that advertised product.

If there is an asterisk--I like it upfront. Not after I pay $1600. Peluso said German-Tube, SoundPure said "Telefunken". One is more precise that the other. There are other companies in Germany.

That makes me wonder if they've forgotten to tell me anything else.

Know what I'm saying?

[henryrobinett]

I don't think you didn't get the advertised product, know what I'm saying? Plus they really, from the sound of it, tried to accommodate you. What else were they to do with a disgruntled consumer?

[soupking]

Originally Posted by rbreen

As a rule I never post on these forums, but I just had to get a login to call you a moron.

If you buy old gear, you know you can get (for example) a U-47 branded either "Phillips", "Telefunken" or "Neumann", right?

No, at least not until you've greeted me to insult me. Thanks for the rude awakening.

[quote=rbreen;1885728
So let me recap: you're telling us they sold you a mic with a "rebranded" vintage tube, but the mic sounded great, they treated you well, they offered to replace your tube since your shorts were in a knot, and somehow this was a bad experience?
[/quote]

Should I have to have something delivered to me twice after it wasn't what I thought I was buying the first time? Are they "missing" anything else? I'm stating my experience, and I appreciate people being upfront with a's and b's since there's a ton of them in vitnage audio and most of these little numbers and letters DO make a difference.

[quote=rbreen;1885728

You deserve to be designing internet banners for a living. Good Lord.

Thank you internet for giving idiots a voice.[/quote]

Uhhh, fuuck.

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by rbreen

As a rule I never post on these forums, but I just had to get a login to call you a moron.

If you buy old gear, you know you can get (for example) a U-47 branded either "Phillips", "Telefunken" or "Neumann", right?

So let me recap: you're telling us they sold you a mic with a "rebranded" vintage tube, but the mic sounded great, they treated you well, they offered to replace your tube since your shorts were in a knot, and somehow this was a bad experience?

You deserve to be designing internet banners for a living. Good Lord.

Thank you internet for giving idiots a voice.

To play Devils advocate lay off the guy. Regardless if the mic sounded good to him is irrelevant. Maybe the experience just left a bad taste in his mouth.

I know little about peluso but if they claim tube 1 is in the Mic and tube 1b was actually in the mic I'd be pissed too. Doesn't matter if they say it's the same thing. What else could the company be misrepresenting? I'm not saying they are but you say something is red and then you ship me red with an orange tint YOU LIED! and can't be trusted.

[Kiwiburger]

Soupking - seems to me that you are shopping for audio gear with your eyes, not your ears.

The whole vintage thing is a crock, imo. Don't you just want good stuff that works? It seems to me that you are more of a collector than an audio engineer. That's cool - somebody has to buy the old stuff, especially once it ceases to work.

It's like buying jeans or sneakers. The same shit gets made by the same peasants in the same factory in China. Just that you have to pay extra for certain brandnames.

It's just a label. Sometimes the newer/cheaper stuff is better.

[Kiwiburger]

Originally Posted by allencollins

To play Devils advocate lay off the guy. Regardless if the mic sounded good to him is irrelevant. Maybe the experience just left a bad taste in his mouth.

I know little about peluso but if they claim tube 1 is in the Mic and tube 1b was actually in the mic I'd be pissed too. Doesn't matter if they say it's the same thing. What else could the company be misrepresenting? I'm not saying they are but you say something is red and then you ship me red with an orange tint YOU LIED! and can't be trusted.

Nobody can be trusted. We are lied to all the time. The music industry is probably far more reputable than the 'food' or 'health' industry.

Seems to me that Peluso never lied (German means German), and probably Soundpure opened one up and saw a Telefunken and assumed they were all Telefunkens.

Does it really matter? Did the mic sound good or not? The tube is a replaceable item. Would you get your knickers in a knot if you bought a Fender guitar and it didn't have genuine Fender strings?

[soupking]

Originally Posted by henryrobinett

I don't think you didn't get the advertised product, know what I'm saying? Plus they really, from the sound of it, tried to accommodate you. What else were they to do with a disgruntled consumer?

Say that the mics they're selling have valvo tubes, not telefunken. Or Telefunken AND Valvo tubes.

And then give me the story BEFORE purchasing.

I don't like things to show up unexplained after a buy something.

Like if I got a V72 or BK-5, I want what's advertised, I don't want to end up with something that's a brother version. People say that BK-5's A B and C are all virutally the same. Well, they're not. The beat up B (that was accidentally dropped) has better frequency response than the A. Is this a rare situation? Maybe. There's a lot of mystery in a lot of this, and I don't claim to know, so I have to go by what I read and assume.

People can agree with me or not. In all, like I said it's a good mic, but what do I know? I don't claim to be an expert, I read the model number in the ad and that's what I want. Details after buying something is a bit sneaky to me.

Plain and simple.

[soupking]

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

Soupking - seems to me that you are shopping for audio gear with your eyes, not your ears.

The whole vintage thing is a crock, imo. Don't you just want good stuff that works? It seems to me that you are more of a collector than an audio engineer. That's cool - somebody has to buy the old stuff, especially once it ceases to work.

It's like buying jeans or sneakers. The same shit gets made by the same peasants in the same factory in China. Just that you have to pay extra for certain brandnames.

It's just a label. Sometimes the newer/cheaper stuff is better.

I know, it's true I'm a snob. I was mixing with my Pultec EQH the other night (which has different transformers than other models I've seen which kicks up my snobbery a notch) and the on/off switch just blew my mind. The piano just leaps right up in front without leaving anything behind. Like nothing else. It's that source which I seek.


I'm sorry to have hijacked this thread houndog328. That wasn't my intent.


Like I said, it's just something I wanted to get off my chest. I saw Peluso 2247LE, and the "let me tell you something" jumped out of me.

Please ignore my comments from here on out of you guys can.

Thanks,
-soup

[soupking]

Originally Posted by allencollins

To play Devils advocate lay off the guy. Regardless if the mic sounded good to him is irrelevant. Maybe the experience just left a bad taste in his mouth.

I know little about peluso but if they claim tube 1 is in the Mic and tube 1b was actually in the mic I'd be pissed too. Doesn't matter if they say it's the same thing. What else could the company be misrepresenting? I'm not saying they are but you say something is red and then you ship me red with an orange tint YOU LIED! and can't be trusted.

Exactly my point. Thank you. But just to clarify, it wasn't Peluso's advertising, it was SoundPure that had TELEFUNKEN in bold print. Peluso just said German tube.

[henryrobinett]

That's fine man. I understand. I mean it's up to you and whether you feel jilted or not. I might think it's a little harsh to bad mouth a couple of companies that were trying to do good by you, but that's me. Viva la difference!

Here's to not having bad tastes in your mouth!

[BudgetMC]

'Nuff Said. Let's just declare it a bad day for all concerned and return to our regularly scheduled Low End Theory program of spreading love and understanding about the glories of making good music for less than absurd amounts of money.

[popmann]

I've never tried the "LE"...but, the regular 2247 sounds NOTHING like a 47 or a 67...I didn't love it. When they sold for $850, it was a decent value mic. Now that they're up around $1300, I'd say save your money.

If you're buying a Chinese mic (which the peluso is save cpasule stretching and assembly), get a Sputnik. Much better, well rounded, useful LDC for less than half the price.

[henryrobinett]

popman -- I disagree. To say it sounds NOTHING like a U47, is, to me, a little hyperbole. I've used 47s of a few varieties. I think the 2247 captures a certain vibe of the real ones *I* used.

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by popmann

I've never tried the "LE"...but, the regular 2247 sounds NOTHING like a 47 or a 67...I didn't love it. When they sold for $850, it was a decent value mic. Now that they're up around $1300, I'd say save your money.

If you're buying a Chinese mic (which the peluso is save cpasule stretching and assembly), get a Sputnik. Much better, well rounded, useful LDC for less than half the price.

I'm curious was it real dark? I bought a used 2247 and when I got it it sounded sooooo rolled off. I called John Peluso and he had me send it to him, apparently there was an issue with the early ones. When I got mine back it was no longer real dark, just real huge, and it routinely beats out my U87 in a shootout. As I understand it the metalwork is chinese

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by popmann

I've never tried the "LE"...but, the regular 2247 sounds NOTHING like a 47 or a 67...I didn't love it. When they sold for $850, it was a decent value mic. Now that they're up around $1300, I'd say save your money.

If you're buying a Chinese mic (which the peluso is save cpasule stretching and assembly), get a Sputnik. Much better, well rounded, useful LDC for less than half the price.

1. This is a common misconception for people who either don't read through the literature before purchasing AND/OR the listens to a dealer who is mis-representing the product in order to close a sale. The 2247 is a 47 modified to German Radio Broadcast specifications. Sure, it has the "vibe" of a real 47 but it is not intended to be the replacement for the original Neumann U47 that is so famous in studios around the world. It is great for voice over work and radio station broadcasts (the only two times where I recommend this microphone). This is why the 22 47SE and 22 47LE exist. Quite honestly, the 22 47SE is the better purchase because both the SE and the LE sound identical with the exception that the SE, which uses a tube that is still in production, has a 2db lower noise floor.

2. The Peluso microphones are not Chinese mics that happen to be assembled in the USA. The only part of the the Peluso microphone line that is made in China is the metalwork. Take a look at virtually any other company in the world that makes products and you will find that they are also having their metalwork made in China. Peluso could do all the metalwork in the USA but then the microphones would be much more expensive. It's unfortunate that some things have to be outsourced to China instead of being made here in the USA, but would you really want the price to go up because of this? The transformers are made by Tom Reichenbach of Cinemag, the capsules are made by Peluso in Virginia. These are microphones that can absolutely be labeled with Made in the USA on them.

Hope that clears things up.

[Chaellus]

i think the Mojave MA-200 sounds U-47ish although ive only tryed the U-47 Fet version the MA-200 is slightly better but in the same direction... the MA-200 is a large diapharm tube mic like the orginal U-47, tryed it liked it you couldnt go wrong with it.


Mojave Audio

[narcoman]

low end seems to be suffering from inflation.......


Soupking - I agree. You didnt get what you were sold, but hat really was no reason to sell the mic. I have the exact model you're talking about and they are a very nice mic at the price. As much of a 47 , though, that the Portico 5042 is tape.

[popmann]

It's not dark at ALL, IMO. Unless you're comparing it to other Chinese LDCs.

47s I've used, as well as 49s ARE dark. Maybe they're old...but, Korby's 47 sounded pretty much right in there with them. 67s/M269s....not so much. Darker than your cheapo LDCs, but not "dark". That's the thing about discussions with new(er) engineers. If you've grown up using Rode and MXL and such mics, a 2247 will be warm and full and dark.

So, hyperbole? It certainly has a mid forward push like an old Neumann...so do a lot of mics.

The Mojave sounds a lot like a 67....they managed to get all the qualities without any of the qualitY.

I think if a 2247 beats a U87 in a vocal shootout, you're not listening in the context of a mix. Or maybe you have an AI without a well matched preamp. Or you just don't like the 87's sound.

You certainly don't have to agree with me. I want to be clear--I don't think it's a "bad" mic at all. It was a great value at $850. At $1300...ehh...I'd save my money.

[MadGuitrst]

Popmann, unless you've heard a different 22 47 than mine, I just don't know where you heard a mid push in a 22 47. Although you know I don't put much weight in mic graphs, mine bears out the sound of my 22 47.....which is relatively flat across the mids (with a tiny bump at 4k). The newer short bodies use a different tube (mine has an CE701 - new ones a 6072) and their graphs are very different......looking more like my 22 251 graph. Now, my 22 251 is definitely mid forward.

Then again......I don't know how it sounded on your voice, so.........

I attached the graphs for my 22 251 and 22 47 just for the heck of it.
FWIW (not much), the graph for my 22 47 looks a lot like those for a real 47.

Other than that, as far as your opinion, it is your opinion, just like everyone else's. I could see where anyone could like or dislike just about any mic, especially for vocals. ie. I don't like 87s for me and I don't like the MA200 at all.

I'm not here to be protective, so to speak, of Peluso mics. I could not care less. I might even sell mine some time soon (not that I dislike them, I like them just fine). In general, I agree with your assessment that for $850 I'd buy it but for $1250 I wouldn't, even though it suits me well (FWIW, my choice in that price range would be the Neumann TLM49). I also agree that in the end, it's how t works in the mix. To that I can say that I like the 22 251 much better (but have a friend who likes his CAD179 better and sold his 22 251.....you just never know).

For me and the home studio lately, I've been throwing modded Oktava MK319s and some other lesser mics I've modded and been very happy. Happy enough that I don't really think I need anything else (for me).

As for the original poster's question I would not say a 22 47 sounds old school at all. I agree with Popmann on one thing about the mic - it is not dark. Personally, if I wanted old school, I'd pull out a ribbon and EQ to my heart's content. Just my $0.00012.

[narcoman]

A graph will only show the frequency response. Mics also have transient and (limited) time domain responses, which can make all the difference in the world. Still - i get your point....

[MadGuitrst]

I completely agree, which is why I mentioned graphs mean very little to me (Popmann knows my opinion on this from other forums).