Anyone disappointed with a Peluso 22-47 ?

[JPeters86]

I bought the 8pre to replace my 002. Really love the unit. Works perfect in Logic as well. And the 2247 is my favorite microphone for vocals, out of the ones I have. The LE/SE is great as well, but I fell in love with the 2247

[uncle duncan]

If you're going to go that route, get both the SB and the LE, and send back the one you don't want. The money spent on extra shipping will be worth the piece of mind.

[MyNameIsChris]

Originally Posted by emkay

Firstly, the man was pissed and rightfully so, because he paid for a Telefunken tube and did NOT get it, no matter what the intent of your historical lesson was!!
If I buy a Ferrari Enzo, that's what I want, NOT a Ferrari Modena!

I don't think this analogy is accurate whatsoever. Rather than comparing different cars, it would be more apt to compare it to buying a new pair of Chuck Taylor's, only to find that the manufacturer tag hooked onto the shoe is a different color than it used to be.

[Chance]

Originally Posted by kittonian

the capsules are made by Peluso in Virginia. .

Interesting. Are you sure about that?

[CoteRotie]

Originally Posted by Chance

Interesting. Are you sure about that?

From the description on the Front End Audio site:

Peluso CEK 67 Details
These capsules are made by Peluso Microphone Lab. They buy the metal work from China and then the sputtering and diaphragm work is done at their lab in the U.S. These are very nice capsules, with great frequency and transient response. These are of the finest quality, and with the costly machine shop work done in China, we can sell them at a fraction of the cost of a comparable German capsule.



So for sure they are making capsules in the US (aside from the metal casting/machining). I couldn't find a specific reference to the 2247 capsule, but it's likely true that it's also made in VA.

Regards,

John

[Chance]

The reason I asked was because of an older post from Ben that used to be with Peluso.

Originally Posted by tINY

There are other issues:

Like, say Peluso, who has been making capsules for years, wants to sell complete mics... Maybe the whole rest of the mic is made in the same factory as some other mic and a capsule gets added in Peluso's shop.

Or maybe there are different standards of electronics inside.

Since there are few differences in mic bodies anyway, why not use the same bodies for several mics and lower costs?




-tINY

Lets get things straight, john peluso has NEVER made a capsule in his whole life. He buys the pre drilled backplate from a chinese factory (the same factory that supplies all of the capsules for chinese mics) he then tensions a diaphram (from the same factory) and places it over the capsule backplates, he then attaches it with the chinese screws and ring. there is a big difference between building a capsule and assembling one. We can all stamp our name into something, but it doesn't mean that we made it.!!!!!!!!! I get so sick of people pretending to make great things and living off the schmucks that are willing to spend the cash. there isn't many companies that actually make something that isn't a copy or want to be. Sorry if i have been harsh but this one hits close to home. ben

[henryrobinett]

I would not exactly trust everything Ben says re Peluso. Let's just say there may be more to the story that meets the eye.

[CoteRotie]

They claim that they do the sputtering in the US, which along with the diaphram tensioning are the two most critical elements in capsule manufacturing. Sounds like they are doing capsule manufacturing to me, but maybe someone who really knows the details will chime in here.

Regards,

John

[_Morph_]

Groove Tubes is said to sell chinese tubes that were carefully quality controlled... Peluso is said to sell chinese capsules that were fine-tuned, and the list goes on.

The core issue is: do they sound good/better?
If they don't, it's all a hoax. If they do, then they actually have an added value, isn't it?

[Chance]

Originally Posted by _Morph_

Groove Tubes is said to sell chinese tubes that were carefully quality controlled... Peluso is said to sell chinese capsules that were fine-tuned, and the list goes on.

The core issue is: do they sound good/better?
If they don't, it's all a hoax. If they do, then they actually have an added value, isn't it?

Excellent point. If a capsule has a diaphragm that is sputtered with zinc but sounds amazing it too will have added value, and we will want it.

[kittonian]

This has been discussed time and time again.

1. The metalwork comes from China but is done to Peluso's custom specifications. Because of all of this, he is seriously considering moving everything over to the US and raising all the prices accordingly. Neither he nor I can understand why it matters if a factory in China builds the metalwork to his specs or a factory in the US builds the same product to his specs. The only difference is going to be the price to the end user. Truly, it's going to be the exact same end result, but I suppose if it ends the speculations and complaining and no one minds paying almost 3x the price for the mic, then it will be a good move.

2. The capsules are all made by Peluso in VA. There are pictures of his factory and NPR just did a very nice interview with John and Mary (his wife) and showed all kinds of details about the Peluso organization.

3. Ben was "never with Peluso". John and Ben were working together on a completely seperate product that John had initially designed and will be coming out with, hopefully no later than next year. Ben owns (or owned, I'm not sure) a company called BeezNeez in Australia and without going into much detail, let's just say things didn't work out between them. Ben has since been posting some very nasty and libelous things about Peluso here on GS and has had two of his usernames banned from the forum. Take what he says about Peluso with a grain of salt.

I think the bottom line here is that the 2247SE (I recommend this over the LE since there is 2db lower noise floor and the tube is still being made - btw, the LE and the SE sound identical with the exception that the LE is 2db noiser), the 22 251 and the P12 are all exceptional microphones. If Peluso started out as some of the other boutique manufacturers did and had all the work done here in the USA and was charging $4k-$6k per microphone, I think he would be regarded as one of the top people to purchase from. Instead, he chose to go with the philosophy of everyone, no matter if you're a large or small operation, being able to purchase his mics and have the joy of recording with a great piece of equipment. Personally, I think that's made him even more popular and the fact that his mics are distributed all over the world is even more of a testament to that fact.

I am proud to have been his first dealer and have had a long standing relationship with the Peluso organization. They are great people who make great products.

If anyone has any further questions, I am always available by phone and you may feel free to give me a call. Our number is listed on the top of our website.

Hope that helps explain things a bit better and clears up some of the confusion.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Neither he nor I can understand why it matters if a factory in China builds the metalwork to his specs or a factory in the US builds the same product to his specs. The only difference is going to be the price to the end user. Truly, it's going to be the exact same end result,

Well not exactly the only difference. There is also the matter of providing American jobs versus Chinese jobs.

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Well not exactly the only difference. There is also the matter of providing American jobs versus Chinese jobs.

You are absolutely correct. I expect that when the price triples and the American jobs are being utilized to build these components, you'll be first in line to buy a few mics.

Hope others feel the same.

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by kittonian

You are absolutely correct. I expect that when the price triples and the American jobs are being utilized to build these components, you'll be first in line to buy a few mics.

Hope others feel the same.

Dude, not saying it is right, or wrong, or should or shouldn't matter. Just stating a fact.

[moonman]

i wonder if everyone who is so bothered by china manufacturing drives an american car, has all american electronics in their house,,all american clothes, shoes, etc..and pro audio? well you get my point,,this isnt the 50's ..if your gonna blame peluso for china your gonna have to point that finger at almost everything being sold in america now,,i like the idea of a hand built mic made in america too ,,but it would drive up the price of his mics alot and would they sound different? better? would his specs change? i doubt it ,,we would just pay for "made in the usa" ...this problem is so much bigger than peluso, it s a sell out of the american labor force that has been in effect for decades,,you can blame corprate greed,capitalism,unethical business etc. of the larger companies who own this country both financially and politically who put real people out of jobs and who threw quality out the window in favor of a buck along time ago,,i think peluso is in a way kinda punk rock and doing what i wish i could do which is put out a GREAT product, cheap and affordable to real people, that knocks some of the big boys on there ass a bit..which is what he did..ive been up and down with peluso and some others, and ive posted some questions too, but i think ive seen the light ,,and yeah, its sounds scary to think peluso will triple his prices because im already out of my league in a way to buy some of his mics, but not too far out that i wont get them,,please john,,do what you do and dont mind the hawks,,lots of us have come around to the fact that talent like yours has its price,and that while it would be ****ing stellar if these mics costed what they did and were all hand made by you in the usa it just would be impossible at this price range,, ,,and slutz,,lets talk sound and value and though some of these issues are important for sure, they are part of a very large complex picture and not just on peluso's shoulders ,,lets let some new mic manufactured only in the usa with all usa parts, priced as cheap as peluso and sound just as good, come and knock peluso on his ass ,,thats the american way ..we'll see.

[_Morph_]

Lets not forget that China is partly responsible for the growth of the prosumer market. Even AKG is outsourcing some of its microphones nowadays. That's what "low end" is all about.

Quality-wise, this is a whole different matter. Things are either good or not. Regardless of the point of origin, manufacturer, brand name, etc., the quality is supposedly being assured (mostly) by american based companies that provide a more adequate QC.

And the song remains the same: is the end product good/better? Or is it all hype?

[mics]

Originally Posted by kittonian

This has been discussed time and time again.

1. The metalwork comes from China but is done to Peluso's custom specifications. Because of all of this, he is seriously considering moving everything over to the US and raising all the prices accordingly. Neither he nor I can understand why it matters if a factory in China builds the metalwork to his specs or a factory in the US builds the same product to his specs. The only difference is going to be the price to the end user. Truly, it's going to be the exact same end result, but I suppose if it ends the speculations and complaining and no one minds paying almost 3x the price for the mic, then it will be a good move.

2. The capsules are all made by Peluso in VA. There are pictures of his factory and NPR just did a very nice interview with John and Mary (his wife) and showed all kinds of details about the Peluso organization.

3. Ben was "never with Peluso". John and Ben were working together on a completely seperate product that John had initially designed and will be coming out with, hopefully no later than next year. Ben owns (or owned, I'm not sure) a company called BeezNeez in Australia and without going into much detail, let's just say things didn't work out between them. Ben has since been posting some very nasty and libelous things about Peluso here on GS and has had two of his usernames banned from the forum. Take what he says about Peluso with a grain of salt.

I think the bottom line here is that the 2247SE (I recommend this over the LE since there is 2db lower noise floor and the tube is still being made - btw, the LE and the SE sound identical with the exception that the LE is 2db noiser), the 22 251 and the P12 are all exceptional microphones. If Peluso started out as some of the other boutique manufacturers did and had all the work done here in the USA and was charging $4k-$6k per microphone, I think he would be regarded as one of the top people to purchase from. Instead, he chose to go with the philosophy of everyone, no matter if you're a large or small operation, being able to purchase his mics and have the joy of recording with a great piece of equipment. Personally, I think that's made him even more popular and the fact that his mics are distributed all over the world is even more of a testament to that fact.

I am proud to have been his first dealer and have had a long standing relationship with the Peluso organization. They are great people who make great products.

If anyone has any further questions, I am always available by phone and you may feel free to give me a call. Our number is listed on the top of our website.

Hope that helps explain things a bit better and clears up some of the confusion.

I firmly suggest that you take back what you have said here josh as you and i both know that it is untrue. John will not be releasing the product as he knows that the design and all of the schematics are mine. I am sure that John too would agree with me if you were to call him!!!

As for BeesNeez it is alive and is busy manufacturing mics (all capsule metalwork, mic body's etc are 100% australian made). Sure i can't make a mic every 30 minutes but 2 a week is fine for me, and still making the Para1 Mic pre that is 100% my design and always will be.

As for anything/everything that i have said about Peluso, i am sure that you have more than made up for it in ass kissing so that should even things out.

When you say that i had nothing to do with Peluso, what do you call the Distributor Agreement that i had, and also the license agreement to trade under the Peluso name in Australia?? Also if i had nothing to do with them, why was it me that did the latest revision of the 2247LE/SE PCB, P12 PCB and R14 PCB. I sure did do a bit for someone who had nothing to do with or was never with Peluso.

I will not and have not for some time made negative posts regarding Peluso, but Josh, don't bring me into your suck up crap and force me to reply when you are LYING about things. Your knowledge on this subject is as extensive as your technical knowhow so you should quit while your ahead and not make this personal.

Just for a laugh, visit this site and see where it points you.

beesneezmicrophones.com

Go figure that one.

i would say PEACE but i think that this may not be on the cards.

[peeder]

Yet another bitter mic maker divorce hitting the tabloids! We've had Blue vs. Violet, SE vs. karma, and now Peluso vs. Beez Kneez!

Is there something about making microphones that triggers neurosis? Some chemical used in the production?

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by mics

I firmly suggest that you take back what you have said here josh as you and i both know that it is untrue. John will not be releasing the product as he knows that the design and all of the schematics are mine. I am sure that John too would agree with me if you were to call him!!!

As for BeesNeez it is alive and is busy manufacturing mics (all capsule metalwork, mic body's etc are 100% australian made). Sure i can't make a mic every 30 minutes but 2 a week is fine for me, and still making the Para1 Mic pre that is 100% my design and always will be.

As for anything/everything that i have said about Peluso, i am sure that you have more than made up for it in ass kissing so that should even things out.

When you say that i had nothing to do with Peluso, what do you call the Distributor Agreement that i had, and also the license agreement to trade under the Peluso name in Australia?? Also if i had nothing to do with them, why was it me that did the latest revision of the 2247LE/SE PCB, P12 PCB and R14 PCB. I sure did do a bit for someone who had nothing to do with or was never with Peluso.

I will not and have not for some time made negative posts regarding Peluso, but Josh, don't bring me into your suck up crap and force me to reply when you are LYING about things. Your knowledge on this subject is as extensive as your technical knowhow so you should quit while your ahead and not make this personal.

Just for a laugh, visit this site and see where it points you.

beesneezmicrophones.com

Go figure that one.

i would say PEACE but i think that this may not be on the cards.

Wow Ben, all I said was that you were never with Peluso as part of the company. I never said you weren't previously a distributor in Australia for the microphones, nor did I call you any names.

Is it not true that you've posted some nasty things about Peluso here on this forum?
Is it not true that were never actually an employee of Peluso Microphones?
Is it not true that one or more of your GS usernames have been banned because of malicious posts?

When you do things like that, especially in a public manner, you open yourself up. Remember, it was your doing not mine.

Also, believe me, I've had extensive conversations with John and Mary that directly contradict most of your stories/statements. Plus, you already know that because you called me and I told you the same thing.

John maintains that the mic-pre was his design and as far as I am aware, he is absolutely planning on releasing that product.

Calling people names isn't going to win you any points. On both occassions where you've called me, I was nothing but nice to you. I listened to everything you had to say and then went and tried to verify it (on your advice no less). Unfortunately, I couldn't verify it and was told quite the opposite by two different people who I've known for many years.

Plus, if you're so "anti-Peluso" now and have supposedly been badly hurt by this company (as you claimed to me), why on earth would you be linking your own website to their website? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me and I'm not sure what that proves. I can create a meta refresh="0" tag on a page and point my index wherever I choose too.

I'm not going to respond to anymore of your posts so feel free to bash me, bash Peluso, make outrageous claims, etc. I don't believe that these kinds of actions are going to help your company in the long run.

Quite honestly, if you're the brilliant mic and circuit board designer that you claim to be, why don't you release your own products and we can put them to the test. If you design outstanding equipment that is blowing away the competition, I want to use it on my recordings. You promised to send me your amazing power supply that was going to make the 47SE sound world's better than the power supply that John is shipping with that mic. It's been months and I haven't seen or heard anything from you. It's claim and after claim like this that doesn't give you a whole lot of credibility in my mind.

[mics]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Wow Ben, all I said was that you were never with Peluso as part of the company. I never said you weren't previously a distributor in Australia for the microphones, nor did I call you any names.

Is it not true that you've posted some nasty things about Peluso here on this forum?
Is it not true that were never actually an employee of Peluso Microphones?
Is it not true that one or more of your GS usernames have been banned because of malicious posts?

When you do things like that, especially in a public manner, you open yourself up. Remember, it was your doing not mine.

Also, believe me, I've had extensive conversations with John and Mary that directly contradict most of your stories/statements. Plus, you already know that because you called me and I told you the same thing.

John maintains that the mic-pre was his design and as far as I am aware, he is absolutely planning on releasing that product.

Calling people names isn't going to win you any points. On both occassions where you've called me, I was nothing but nice to you. I listened to everything you had to say and then went and tried to verify it (on your advice no less). Unfortunately, I couldn't verify it and was told quite the opposite by two different people who I've known for many years.

Plus, if you're so "anti-Peluso" now and have supposedly been badly hurt by this company (as you claimed to me), why on earth would you be linking your own website to their website? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me and I'm not sure what that proves. I can create a meta refresh="0" tag on a page and point my index wherever I choose too.

I'm not going to respond to anymore of your posts so feel free to bash me, bash Peluso, make outrageous claims, etc. I don't believe that these kinds of actions are going to help your company in the long run.

Quite honestly, if you're the brilliant mic and circuit board designer that you claim to be, why don't you release your own products and we can put them to the test. If you design outstanding equipment that is blowing away the competition, I want to use it on my recordings. You promised to send me your amazing power supply that was going to make the 47SE sound world's better than the power supply that John is shipping with that mic. It's been months and I haven't seen or heard anything from you. It's claim and after claim like this that doesn't give you a whole lot of credibility in my mind.

i am NOT linking my site to Peluso, it has been purchased by someone else and linked to the Peluso site as a way for me to lose business. it doesn't matter anyway as it takes more than that to get me down. I have repeatedly asked for this redirection to be removed, do you honestly think that i would be so stupid as to purchase a domain and point it at the competition.

I would like to get on with things, forget about the whole Peluso debarcle, however posts like yours that challenge my intelectual property do not allow this.

By the way, you don't have to answer my post if you choose not to, that too is fine, i have said what needed to be said. i do though wish that the redirection of beesneezmicrophones.com and .net would be ceased as this is not fair.

Josh, you seem to be a nice guy on the phone but man you need to stay out of things that have jack crap to do with you. you know that it is a sore point with me as far as the Para1 Pre amp that (I) designed. It is released and available to anyone that wants one, all that has changed is the transformers. They are now cinemag on the input and output. (shameless self plug)thumbsup

Let it be known that i am not anti Peluso, i am just ticked off when people get involved and sprout sayings of things they know nothing about.

And as far as being a brilliant mic and circuit designer, i have never said that but hey i'll take the compliment when it is thrown my way.

I have just called John Peluso on the Phone and no doubt you will hear from him soon as i have informed him of your post re; para one design. He said that he has told you previously that in the past he has made a pre with a type of harmonic control. That has nothing to do with the pre that i have designed and he will tell you that the design including all schematics is mine!!!!! Bummer that one hey.

If John decides to release a pre in the future, he has assured me that it will be totally different to the Para1.

[illacov]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Dude, not saying it is right, or wrong, or should or shouldn't matter. Just stating a fact.

Do we tell the police to their face they don't have to slam people to ground? And when they confront us for continuing to state the facts, is that our excuse??

Its just the facts?

F*ck Facts...

Kittonian has a point. If you going to add your facts then are you saying that your facts are stopping you from buying said mic because there are not American jobs behind every aspect of the mic or are you just talking to talk?

The American Jobs thing is ridiculous in this context because an AMERICAN and his employees build the mics IN AMERICA.

Do you give a f*ck that ITALIAN marble is used to make kitchen counters???

Again f*ck Facts. Because these passive aggressive statements are a waste and at times a sign of pure cowardice.

John Peluso is a great man for doing what he does.

Peace
Illumination

[illacov]

Originally Posted by mics

i am NOT linking my site to Peluso, it has been purchased by someone else and linked to the Peluso site as a way for me to lose business. it doesn't matter anyway as it takes more than that to get me down. I have repeatedly asked for this redirection to be removed, do you honestly think that i would be so stupid as to purchase a domain and point it at the competition.

I would like to get on with things, forget about the whole Peluso debarcle, however posts like yours that challenge my intelectual property do not allow this.

By the way, you don't have to answer my post if you choose not to, that too is fine, i have said what needed to be said. i do though wish that the redirection of beesneezmicrophones.com and .net would be ceased as this is not fair.

Josh, you seem to be a nice guy on the phone but man you need to stay out of things that have jack crap to do with you. you know that it is a sore point with me as far as the Para1 Pre amp that (I) designed. It is released and available to anyone that wants one, all that has changed is the transformers. They are now cinemag on the input and output. (shameless self plug)thumbsup

Let it be known that i am not anti Peluso, i am just ticked off when people get involved and sprout sayings of things they know nothing about.

And as far as being a brilliant mic and circuit designer, i have never said that but hey i'll take the compliment when it is thrown my way.

I have just called John Peluso on the Phone and no doubt you will too as i have informed him of your post re; para one design. He said that he has told you previously that in the past he has made a pre with a type of harmonic control. That has nothing to do with the pre that i have designed and he will tell you that the design including all schematics is mine!!!!! Bummer that one hey.

Did you tell him on the phone that are you consistently calling him a shill on the internet?? Gearslutz.com??? Where his customers and friends post and communicate? Did you tell him that you're continuously saying that he's ripping people off with his overpriced product??

Man to man.

Go f*ck a kangaroo mate!

And get a patent or something on your designs. All of my work is copyrighted. Submit a unit to Jules, hey how about some pictures of your mics??

You have every opportunity to post attachments on Gearslutz. Don't give us the bullshit about you don't have time, because you're not only posting but replying to posts after you posts so stop talking shit and give us some proof.

So far I've built more mics than you and have pictures to prove it.

Peace
Illumination

[mics]

Originally Posted by illacov

Did you tell him on the phone that are you consistently calling him a shill on the internet?? Gearslutz.com??? Where his customers and friends post and communicate? Did you tell him that you're continuously saying that he's ripping people off with his overpriced product??

Man to man.

Go f*ck a kangaroo mate!

And get a patent or something on your designs. All of my work is copyrighted. Submit a unit to Jules, hey how about some pictures of your mics??

You have every opportunity to post attachments on Gearslutz. Don't give us the bullshit about you don't have time, because you're not only posting but replying to posts after you posts so stop talking shit and give us some proof.

So far I've built more mics than you and have pictures to prove it.

Peace
Illumination

my my my aren't you a charmer!!! I have in the past said things re peluso, not that it is any of your business but John and I have decided to call a truce about 1 month back. If you notice, i have not made a single anti Peluso post in that time.

Your prejudgment of me is astounding, if you knew the full story then you would have the right to make comment but you don't and yet you tell me to have relations with a Roo, sheesh what a man you are to say these things from the comfort of your own computer. as far as attachments, i have had Photo's of the pre on gearslutz however i think they were removed during the last slutz brown out.

What good would it do for me to submit a unit to Jules? Why should i give something away to someone i don't even know?

As far as copyright goes, don't worry yourself about that one as i have that under control!!!

your footer says Peace, Illumination. Don't you mean Abhorant, heanus

Cheow

[illacov]

Originally Posted by mics

my my my aren't you a charmer!!! I have in the past said things re peluso, not that it is any of your business but John and I have decided to call a truce about 1 month back. If you notice, i have not made a single anti Peluso post in that time.

Your prejudgment of me is astounding, if you knew the full story then you would have the right to make comment but you don't and yet you tell me to have relations with a Roo, sheesh what a man you are to say these things from the comfort of your own computer. as far as attachments, i have had Photo's of the pre on gearslutz however i think they were removed during the last slutz brown out.

What good would it do for me to submit a unit to Jules? Why should i give something away to someone i don't even know?

As far as copyright goes, don't worry yourself about that one as i have that under control!!!

your footer says Peace, Illumination. Don't you mean Abhorant, heanus

Cheow

Because at least coitus with a "roo" would result in some results mate!

You have done nothing but complain the majority of the time about Peluso on this board and so what its been a month. What you did before that was troll posts about Peluso mics and then jump in non sequitur about how peluso mics are this and john does that and this and that and this.

As far as a truce, you were the aggressor, I can't recall the last time in YEARS that John Peluso has ever posted ANYTHING on Gearslutz.com.

So you calling a truce with someone that you've been attacking is more than cute to me.

Sending a unit to SOMEONE who can test out anything you've claimed would be better than typing up how great your unit is, that btw I can't find on your website.

Don't even get me started on your mics....so far VAPORWARE!

And you're right, I have no business talking about what happened between you and John but you are completely full of shit because you SPREAD your business on this website which makes it EVERYONE'S business. What you think you go around spouting off at the mouth so to speak about how you feel about someone and then when people comment on it you say thats none of your business?

I'm glad you told on yourself. Now at least we have a name and a face to the kinds of people we should stay away from. If your claims have any foundation in reality then you should go thru the PROPER channels. If you think you speak all high and mighty to me I'll tell you straight up you don't know shit about business.

Who the hell goes on an internet forum and tries to debunk their competitor? How the hell is that good business or even realistic??

You seem to have no connection with the word tact. So since its simply a playground brawl, I have John Peluso's back. Fair enough??

As far as me saying Peace at the end of my post, Peace is also a greeting and a departing phrase. It means in this context good bye. And Yes I also wish you some peace, be it a peace in your mind and heart to stop being an antagonizer or to get a piece of ass so you can calm your silly ass down.

Since you want to play words, if your mics and the preamp you sell are the "bees knees" please submit some pictures for I am sure that MANY of us are curious to see these Australian built, hand crafted, non-Chinese manufactured in ANY possible way mics. And of course MANY of us would like to HEAR THEM!

Again you have failed at great length between me and other numerous people to furnish any PROOF of any KIND that you even make mics or have anything substantial to back up your claims about you and John besides the fact that you used to SELL his wares. Last I checked car salesman would look absolutely insane calling out Daimler Chrysler's CEO.

So in this regard I officially state you are either A: CRAZY or B: On the ropes because your line of bullshit has hit a brick wall.

Furnish the pics, furnish the model numbers, tell us where we can buy them and who has them so we can get something out of theses people regarding them.

People who are in the business of selling things ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCTS.

What's your excuse?

John Peluso stole your adverts too? Steal your reviews did he? Duct tape the mouths of your clientèle? Man them Peluso gremlins are crafty!

Peace
Illumination

[mics]

As far as pics go, i'll post them once i release. As far as models go, i am quite happy to divulge the the models names. they are the Max, Phlick and Ari to start (in case you are wondering where i came up with the names, they are the nick names of my 3 beautiful girls. The max has Pentode Steel Tube and my own Single backplate Capsule that is designed loosly around a K47 response characteristic. the Max isn't supposed to sound like anything else out there, it is not a clone of any vintage mic. The Phlick is an edge terminated glass tube design, again not a clone but exibits a pristine top end. As for the Ari, well that's a surpise entry that i'll divulge later.

If you want to hear one, they can be Sold direct. with a money back guarantee if you don't love it.

$3495 each

btw, you mentioned that my truce was CUTE. thanks for that, it's not often i get called that.

Small Peace and a little light. LOL

[illacov]

Originally Posted by mics

As far as pics go, i'll post them once i release. As far as models go, i am quite happy to divulge the the models names. they are the Max, Phlick and Ari to start (in case you are wondering where i came up with the names, they are the nick names of my 3 beautiful girls. The max has Pentode Steel Tube and my own Single backplate Capsule that is designed loosly around a K47 response characteristic. the Max isn't supposed to sound like anything else out there, it is not a clone of any vintage mic. The Phlick is an edge terminated glass tube design, again not a clone but exibits a pristine top end. As for the Ari, well that's a surpise entry that i'll divulge later.

If you want to hear one, they can be Sold direct. with a money back guarantee if you don't love it.

$3495 each

btw, you mentioned that my truce was CUTE. thanks for that, it's not often i get called that.

Small Peace and a little light. LOL

So we are basically taking your word that you make mics then ?? LOL this is ridiculous.

Ben, since you have no prototypes, no actual anything for us to go by except the names of your daughters and a few terms you've thrown up on gearslutz, shouldn't you be busy making these things??

How can you possibly have the time for any of this if you don't even have a product to ship for review??

No wonder you've only made 2 mics a week!

Yes you need time my man. Time for what I don't know.

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[ddp]

Well this certainly is a lively thread!!

I had a practical question about these mics. I'm really interested in the LE and the SE but I spoke to one vendor today who used to stock these mics and they no longer do because they had too much variance in the peluso mics.

He said that he would have 4 mics tested and each one would sound different.

So I'm wondering if any of you who have experience with these mics can address this issue?

[Kronos147]

Originally Posted by ddp

Well this certainly is a lively thread!!

Agreed!

Originally Posted by emkay

Firstly, the man was pissed and rightfully so, because he paid for a Telefunken tube and did NOT get it, no matter what the intent of your historical lesson was!!
If I buy a Ferrari Enzo, that's what I want, NOT a Ferrari Modena!

While I don't think this is quite the same as what Soupking experienced, it makes me wonder how people who own a 'Ferrari' 308 feel about the fact it was built by Fiat as Ferrari sold to Fiat in 1972. Now Fiat is owned by Ford, so I think Ford owns Ferrari. What do the buyers of the new 'Ferrari's' think about their car if you explain it to them they are Fords?

Also, on last comment, I work for an American manufacturing company, in management (the day gig). Besides me, only one other person who is in management (as in not direct labor) that drives an American vehicle.

I could go on and on about American manufacturing and our govenrment's policies that drive business overseas. But I have digressed to far already. Sorry!

[Chance]

Originally Posted by Kronos147

Besides me, only one other person who is in management (as in not direct labor) that drives an American vehicle.

I am only curious. What make are those American vehicles?

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by ddp

Well this certainly is a lively thread!!

I had a practical question about these mics. I'm really interested in the LE and the SE but I spoke to one vendor today who used to stock these mics and they no longer do because they had too much variance in the peluso mics.

He said that he would have 4 mics tested and each one would sound different.

So I'm wondering if any of you who have experience with these mics can address this issue?

In all my years with Peluso, and I was the first dealer he ever brought on, I have never experienced this. There is a difference between the LE and the SE but it is not in the sound. It is in the noise floor because the LE's tube has a 2db higher noise floor than the SE.

I have had LE's and SE's stereo matched for customers when someone first buys an LE and then buys an SE. The mics are truly identical in sound and John takes great care in putting them through the tests and tuning them accordingly.

Personally, I always recommend the SE as it is a little less expensive and has a 2db lower noise floor. That's what I use as well.