Anyone disappointed with a Peluso 22-47 ?

[MadGuitrst]

I completely agree, which is why I mentioned graphs mean very little to me (Popmann knows my opinion on this from other forums).

[popmann]

It seemed to lay in lower than the typical "upper mid push"...more ofa 1-2.5k thing.

But, no it's not extreme at all...I was mentioning as contrast to other smiley faced mics (251...414...etc)--meaning that would put it somewhere in the 47 ballpark...along with plenty of others. Yes, I know the 251 has an upper mid thing...but, it dips in the 1-3k somewhere...that's what I hear out of old Neumanns--save the 87i, which is a bit of that, but with that big upper mid thing introduced. 67s sometimes have it...sometimes not--likely has something to do with the mods done to them over the years.

it should be noted at this point that I don't think anyone has much business with $1-3k LDCs anyway (save finding a good old U87i). So, I'm a bit of a nut that way. I don't think that price range adds much to the sub $1k range of LDCs...and so many of the home studio uses for them (vocals...ac Gtr) can be handled better for less by SDCs and LDDs. I think, to an extent, people just feel like they "need" to cut vocals with an LDC...cause their heros do. Yet, you never see their heros singing into ADKs and Pelusos and ATs either--but, they figure they look the same.

[TheMarqueeYears]

I just read this thread and there is NO WAY I'm looking inside my CM7

It might be the end of something beautiful.

TMY

[MadGuitrst]

Originally Posted by popmann

it should be noted at this point that I don't think anyone has much business with $1-3k LDCs anyway (save finding a good old U87i). So, I'm a bit of a nut that way.

Yes, you are :) ....but I agree with you - my exception being the Neumann TLM49

Yet, you never see their heros singing into ADKs and Pelusos and ATs either--but, they figure they look the same.

Well, unless you've worked with them, who knows what they sang into? Some of my faves apparently sang into an SM57 and made it sound like a mic from the gods....so....I don't really care who used what, only what makes sense for me in any particular situation.

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by popmann

It seemed to lay in lower than the typical "upper mid push"...more ofa 1-2.5k thing.


it should be noted at this point that I don't think anyone has much business with $1-3k LDCs anyway (save finding a good old U87i). So, I'm a bit of a nut that way. I don't think that price range adds much to the sub $1k range of LDCs...and so many of the home studio uses for them (vocals...ac Gtr) can be handled better for less by SDCs and LDDs. I think, to an extent, people just feel like they "need" to cut vocals with an LDC...cause their heros do. Yet, you never see their heros singing into ADKs and Pelusos and ATs either--but, they figure they look the same.

LIke I said earlier, I own an old U87, and the 2247 usually beats it out for vocals

[emkay]

Originally Posted by rbreen

As a rule I never post on these forums, but I just had to get a login to call you a moron.

If you buy old gear, you know you can get (for example) a U-47 branded either "Phillips", "Telefunken" or "Neumann", right?

So let me recap: you're telling us they sold you a mic with a "rebranded" vintage tube, but the mic sounded great, they treated you well, they offered to replace your tube since your shorts were in a knot, and somehow this was a bad experience?

You deserve to be designing internet banners for a living. Good Lord.

Thank you internet for giving idiots a voice.

________________________________
So you had to post in order to be mean spirited did you?
You had nothing better to do with your time than to make an assumption about someone's intelligence or lack thereof predicated on a post?

Firstly, the man was pissed and rightfully so, because he paid for a Telefunken tube and did NOT get it, no matter what the intent of your historical lesson was!!
If I buy a Ferrari Enzo, that's what I want, NOT a Ferrari Modena!
Have you seen other posts by Soupking?
Are you qualified to make a long distance evaluation about his intellectual capabilities?
His assessment seemed fair enough to me.
He still thought the mic was a good mic, and the new purchaser was probably pleased with the mic.
I think he had every right to be angry.
I, unlike yourself , don't know enough about Soupking to characterize his intelligence.
So, in keeping with the precedent you established , allow me to make an assumption about you.
You must be an angry person with an acute superiority complex to compensate for some deep seated inadequacies.
Others might label you a "pompous asshole", but I ofcourse would never assume that predicated on a single post!

peace............

[emkay]

Atleast Henry Robinett was civil and fair minded in his evaluation.
Yes Soupking may have been silly.
Who hasn't been silly in the past?
This RBreen character was way out of line
.Now back to gear......peace...

[johnmarkpainter]

Just to add to the fray....

John Peluso is a pleasure to deal with. Couldn't ask for any better customer service.
I buy LOTS of NOS Tubes and I am very aware of the Tube rebranding thing.
It isn't an issue. That said, they should make it more clear for buyers that don't know....

I've used at least 10 different Peluso Tube mics and have bought several of their Capsules for my own Mod projects and also have a pair of their CEMC6 mics.
Their quality is excellent.

Like ANY mics, they sound great on some people and not great on others.
You just have to decide what it is worth to you....
I have a Korby KAT 251 that is handmade in the USA.
Sometimes it doesn't sound as good for a particular use as my Peluso frankenstein mics.

Oh well...

jmp

[johnnyjellybean]

Let's get one thing straight... Athough the brand "Valvo" was made by several manufacturers over the years including Siemens and Mullard, Valvo tubes with a capital "D" letter in the lower part of the code ARE Telefunken tubes that were made in Hamburg Germany.

[JPeters86]

I own a 2247 and I'm very happy with it. Use it for vocals and acoustic guitars. Even used it on a violin a couple of days ago, sounded really sweet. I can recommend this one.

[shortyprs]

This week I've used the 22 47 short body on a clean amp with a pedal steel and vox. It sounded fantastic on both. The surprise was vox. The singer is truly amazing but between a cold, singing in Spanish and a bad key, sibilance was an issue. The 22 47 into a Pacifica into an MC77 was just the ticket.

[crypticglobe]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

i think the Mojave MA-200 sounds U-47ish although ive only tryed the U-47 Fet version the MA-200 is slightly better but in the same direction... the MA-200 is a large diapharm tube mic like the orginal U-47, tryed it liked it you couldnt go wrong with it.


Mojave Audio

I would have to disagree with this pretty heartily. I have 2 MA-200's here and 1 2247LE. They are COMPLETELY different beasts. The MA-200's are brighter and the character is totally different. I love both mics... but very, very different. jmtc...

Oh yeah... and that 2nd post... I most definitely have to say +1 on the moron status of that guy. Unbelieveable post.

My 2247Le was used in a shootout over at blackbird against some of their best U47's not long ago and the guys checking it out picked it blindly on multiple vocalists over the original and extremely well kept U47's. 2 of those guys bought one the next day. I think is the best U47-ish mic for twice it's price.

jmtc.... of course. ;)

[mark714]

soupking, you're getting hammered here man... but I'm with ya bud.

Seriously, somebody try and sell a Valvo EF-12 and a Telefunken EF-14 on eBay and see which one fetches more interest and money. They are NOT the same thing, even if the only technical difference is the lettering. One says Valvo, the other says Telefunken and that's all anybody needs to know. Both tubes might make that microphone work, and both might sound great. However, if they *advertised* a very expensive and rare Telefunken EF-14 then that's what you should have gotten. You were served the cheaper tube under false pretenses and given a sales pitch after the fact. If that is accurate (and you didn't mis-read something) that's horrible. It was probably an honest mistake on someone's part, but it still sucks.

Sounds like they tried to take care of you, but that's still a bait & switch. That's either very amateur or there is a major disconnect between manufacturer and dealer. I would have dumped it out of principle as well.

[Surfkat]

Having just acquired a 2247LE I have to say my first tracking impression is "WOW, this thing lives up to the hype." My studio partner owns a great vintage U47 that is praised by all who use it. In my opinion the 2247LE is in the same ballpark. It does that slight compression in the mids and slight roll off of the top while retaining all of the detail. And that's what a good U47 does. 2247LE not a perfect clone but then it doesn't cost $8k+ either.

I had a question about my mic and called John Peluso. He did not answer his phone but called me back within 10 minutes, apologised for being busy and was totally helpful and straight forward. I am saying I like the mic, I like the guy who builds them and I think you would have to spend a lot more money to beat it.

My one silly complaint? The latch on the wooden box is really cheap an flimsy. I am gonna replace it and the hinges with some nice brass hardware so I feel good everytime I open the box.

[yrlk]

I think anyone is certainly acting like a moron when they call a complete stranger a moron. Furthermore, it's rude.

Yeah, I probably would've kept the mic myself. In fact, I probably would have tried to negotiate a really low cost deal so I could have both tubes - they do eventually go bad, so why not have some options. And yes, I agree that a good mic is a good mic, but if someone else decides to get rid of it and has his needs otherwise met (he said he's got other mics), well... while I may challenge his decision with the Peluso, I'm not going to jump on his ass and tell him what a screw up his entire life is...

...over (God-forbid) a flipping microphone? Come on. I guess this separates the gear users from the true gearslutz. And if the latter entitles us to be rude to one another, I can only say this...

That I pity the people who have to work with such critics in their perfect-I-never-make-mistakes studios where they may not pay attention to what they're working on anyway because they have to go around the internet creating logins (?) just to criticize another human being.

And as for you, Mr. Soupking, in the Peluso's defense... you probably should have been more forgiving. False advertisement is one thing, and it can be frustrated. And you have every right to do what you want to do, but just remember this, you need to be forgiven too, so you'd better try and be gracious (not holding resentment in your heart for A YEAR AFTER a mistake is made, even after it was apologized for!?), or how will anyone forgive you when you make a mistake?

TO ALL, I'm no philosopher... but let's try and be CONstructive with each other, for each other, etc. We're all in the same boat... we're all human, and we're all chasing after what we hear in our imaginations, which can be a very difficult, very taxing, very expensive job to accomplish.

So be slow to criticize, my man.

Ever read about Jesus? If he was God and didn't come to judge, who are we to judge? I've got enough of my own problems to address.

Peace to all - brad

[Empty Planet]

Originally Posted by popmann

I think if a 2247 beats a U87 in a vocal shootout, you're not listening in the context of a mix.

With all due respect, this is lunacy. You're going to tell me that a certain mic -- any mic -- is better for a particular application in all circumstances?

Did you mean to say that?

My two cents is this: I've found the 2247 to be a good mic, but it depends on the application. I think it has one or two of the many qualities of its namesake. I don't think it's more of a "voiceover mic" in comparison to the LE, in fact I find the LE a bit more hyped and the 2247 short body sounds a bit more natural to my ears, if one can say that about such a colored mic. I also find it easier to fit into a mix. That's me.

But all the mics we're discussing here can sound less than stellar on the wrong source and/or in the wrong context -- or, most importantly, if you place it badly, or are recording music which sucketh.

Pick up the mic that's closest to you. Record something great with it. No gear, vintage or otherwise, is going to unsuck your music. You're going to have to change something a bit more challenging than the brand of gear in order to make that happen.


Cheers.

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by popmann

It's not dark at ALL, IMO. Unless you're comparing it to other Chinese LDCs.

I think if a 2247 beats a U87 in a vocal shootout, you're not listening in the context of a mix. Or maybe you have an AI without a well matched preamp. Or you just don't like the 87's sound. ;)

You certainly don't have to agree with me. I want to be clear--I don't think it's a "bad" mic at all. It was a great value at $850. At $1300...ehh...I'd save my money.

Well I don't agree with you at all and I don't know how long you owned one but I've owned this mic for years and my old U87 which is in excellent shape for longer. As far as pre's go I own API 312 and 512's Daking 52270's Focusrite ISA 110's ADL 600's, Musgrave modded Neve V's and Amek 9098's. So pre wise it not like I own crap.
In general the Peluso beats out the U87 and includes in the mix when you want the big large vocal sound It goes with out saying it's not the perfect mic for everything but what is. The reason why I asked if the peluso you had was real dark was there was a problem with the early 2247's and they were crazy dark. Where I will use the U87 is if I don't want it as thick as the 2247 can be. generally I also use the U87 on backing vocals.

[monkeyxx]

Originally Posted by mark714

soupking, you're getting hammered here man... but I'm with ya bud.

Seriously, somebody try and sell a Valvo EF-12 and a Telefunken EF-14 on eBay and see which one fetches more interest and money. They are NOT the same thing, even if the only technical difference is the lettering. One says Valvo, the other says Telefunken and that's all anybody needs to know. Both tubes might make that microphone work, and both might sound great. However, if they *advertised* a very expensive and rare Telefunken EF-14 then that's what you should have gotten. You were served the cheaper tube under false pretenses and given a sales pitch after the fact. If that is accurate (and you didn't mis-read something) that's horrible. It was probably an honest mistake on someone's part, but it still sucks.

Sounds like they tried to take care of you, but that's still a bait & switch. That's either very amateur or there is a major disconnect between manufacturer and dealer. I would have dumped it out of principle as well.

that's not as retarted as the soup guy...but that's still pretty retarded. hahaha, ultimate thread hijack ever! hats off to soupking

I only have CEMC6 but I love them to death, and would consider purchasing one of the LDCs

[Sounds Great]

Originally Posted by Empty Planet

No gear, vintage or otherwise, is going to unsuck your music.

[Yoda117]

Originally Posted by Empty Planet

No gear, vintage or otherwise, is going to unsuck your music.

...or your voiceover.

Somebody buy this man a drink

[uncle duncan]

I've had a 2247 short body for a couple of years. If I were to do it over, I'd get the LE model, which is better suited for lead vocals. The short body does have a bit if a midrange bump, but it's perfect for certain applications - like a raspy voice with no midrange, ala Rod Stewart. The LE would probably be too bright in that situation.

I've also used the short body for electric guitar room mic, drum room, acoustic bass, and the odd acoustic instrument here or there. It does seem to give regular vocals a push in the midrange, which might work for BG vocals in some instances. It also might sound nice on reeds, but I don't get many horn players in here.

For that 'old' quality, the Telefunken AK47 gets rave reviews. It might be prudent to try a AK47, a 2247LE, and a Sputnik, just to see if there would be a clear winner for your intended application.

[Dog_Chao_Chao]

I own a 2247LE. The only thing I can say about it is that its the least used mic of my collection. Almost everytime I compare it with the others, also considering different preamps, I find that its not usually the winner for a given aplication.

On vocals, it has a tendecy to sound unaturally scooped or even harsh not revealing the beautiness of the full body I can get with other mics. I think it lacks the silkness and the elegance I love to hear on vocals. I find it more on the agressive side, wich can be just what Im looking for, sometimes.

I also find it a bit noisy. I had a rode k2 a few months ago to try out. It has way more quiter.

In an unexpected way, I´ve been using it more with female than male vocals. Also not a bad drum mono overhead.

For the money I spent and the frequency I use it I have to say it was not the best deal I made, altough having a mic locker growing means that you will use further and further less each mic, as the competition rises. But it also means that you have better chances to find the best match capturing a given sound source....

[peeder]

I think you can buy three $1500 mics and scratch your head or buy one $4000 mic and be done with it.

[Al Rogers]

I own a Peluso 22 47SE and love it. Sounds great on vocals and acoustic guitar. It has motivated me to upgrade the rest of my audio chain. My Demeter mic preamp is on it's way.

Have spoken with John Peluso by phone and he is a very good fellow IMO. Also had a good experience buying my Peluso from Josh at Audiolot. Have since purchased 2 more Peluso mics.

I once, after a concert, said to Bruce Dunlop, a great jazz guitarist, "That's a nice sounding guitar." He pointed to the stage where the guitar was sitting on it's stand and asked, "How does it sound now?"

You finish the analogy...

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by Al Rogers

I once, after a concert, said to Bruce Dunlop, a great jazz guitarist, "That's a nice sounding guitar." He pointed to the stage where the guitar was sitting on it's stand and asked, "How does it sound now?"

You finish the analogy...

Beautiful.

[BudgetMC]

Originally Posted by Al Rogers

I once, after a concert, said to Bruce Dunlop, a great jazz guitarist, "That's a nice sounding guitar." He pointed to the stage where the guitar was sitting on it's stand and asked, "How does it sound now?"

You finish the analogy...

YeeeOuch!

[RDA]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

I'm curious was it real dark? I bought a used 2247 and when I got it it sounded sooooo rolled off. I called John Peluso and he had me send it to him, apparently there was an issue with the early ones. When I got mine back it was no longer real dark, just real huge, and it routinely beats out my U87 in a shootout

Curious as to which model 2247 you have? Is it the short body or the LE/SE long body version?

With that, is there much difference in these models? I'm interested in getting one soon and have been looking at the short body version...

-rich

[JPeters86]

Originally Posted by RDA

Curious as to which model 2247 you have? Is it the short body or the LE/SE long body version?

With that, is there much difference in these models? I'm interested in getting one soon and have been looking at the short body version...

-rich

I recorded the vocals on this one with a 2247 short body:

BKJ_-_I_m_Gonna_Find_Another_You.mp3

I guess I'm one of the few that prefer the short body over the LE/SE. It's just perfect for some voices. The LE/SE is awesome as well, but the short body is my favorite.

[RDA]

Originally Posted by JPeters86

I recorded the vocals on this one with a 2247 short body:

BKJ_-_I_m_Gonna_Find_Another_You.mp3

I guess I'm one of the few that prefer the short body over the LE/SE. It's just perfect for some voices. The LE/SE is awesome as well, but the short body is my favorite.

sounds nice. That's the sound I'm looking for.

What was your vocal chain?

-r

[JPeters86]

Originally Posted by RDA

sounds nice. That's the sound I'm looking for.

What was your vocal chain?

-r

Nothing spectacular, just plugged the 2247 directly into my MOTU 8pre :)