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Old 9th December 2007, 06:57 AM   #1
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Dynamic vocal mic : Better than sm57, cheaper than sm7b?

Hey there. For some reason, the sm-57 and I just don't jive on vocals. Can't quite put my finger on it, but I just aint "feeling it".

Now, I love my studio projcts C1, however, being a condenser, I can't use it at certain times due to environmental situations.

What I'm looking for is a dynamic mic a step up above the sm57, but not as pricey as an sm7b :)

Something in the 100-200 range, and with similar characteristics as the C1. Is this a pipe dream?
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Old 9th December 2007, 07:23 AM   #2
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Don't know about the C1, but the SM7b is pretty dark, not bright like a condenser.

I used some of the Sennheiser dynamics that are for stage use (don't know the number, they weren't mine) but they sounded really good through my PM1000 channels. They are about $100 I believe, seem like a good deal.

What kind of environmental conditions are you talking about?
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Old 9th December 2007, 07:26 AM   #3
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Well, I just threw the sm7b in there as a price comparison. I probably should of just said <$200

Anyway, as far as environmental conditions, I work out of my apartment. So just the usual stuff, cars driving by, neighbors slamming doors, the usual stuff that a condenser will pick up like dust on a swiffer, that a dynamic may not necessarily grab.

Would using some sort of noise gate benefit me you think?

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Old 9th December 2007, 07:31 AM   #4
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I wouldn't use a gate, but you might try treating an area of the room so that you have minimal external noise, if possible. Barring that, I really like the RE20, I think the PL20 is basically the same thing, for a bit cheaper. Has a sort of condenserish sound, very directional, no real proximity effect, etc. The SM58, etc all have the same capsule, so I'd stay away from those, if you don't like the 57.

You might try to borrow a few Sennheiser mics, they're some of the best dynamics out there, I think. And they're relatively affordable, too.
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Old 9th December 2007, 07:31 AM   #5
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If you keep an eye out on eBay, you should be able to score something like an Electro-voice RE15 or RE18. Maybe even a used RE20 (I got mine for around $220).
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Old 9th December 2007, 07:46 AM   #6
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Never tried one but the Heil PR-20 sounds like it might work for ya.
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If you keep an eye out on eBay, you should be able to score something like an Electro-voice RE15 or RE18. Maybe even a used RE20 (I got mine for around $220).
What he said. Even the RE-10 (which is an RE-15 that wasn't meeting standard) would be an improvement.

Shop used. I bought both my SM7s for $200 each and my RE-20 for $200. It's doable if you are patient.
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Old 9th December 2007, 08:53 AM   #8
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shure beta, or heil pr series?
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Old 9th December 2007, 11:27 AM   #9
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At home I use a Senn MD441 in exactly the same situation. Got it on eBay and I just got a second one.
The MD421 is cool sometimes for different sound too, I got three.

You just grab the MD441, lower a little the monitors, no headphones, and sing. Minimal spill (hyper cardiod), almost condenser sound.
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Old 9th December 2007, 12:52 PM   #10
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You should try and find a decent hyper or super-cardioid I reckon

Hand held condensers?

Dunno bout the second hand prices of the following, but how bout:

Sennheiser E865 - super cardioid

Audix VX 10

Shure Beta 87 - very nice super cardioid hand-held

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Heil Pro PR-20

Audix i5?

Audix OM7?

Sennheiser E845 - bit brighter than SM58 - super cardioid

How bout the Beta 57 or 58? I think those are super/hyper cardioid
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Old 9th December 2007, 01:44 PM   #11
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The Heil Sound PR20 is excellent, definitely a better vocal mic than a 58. I don't think it is better than a SM7B though. The PR20 is what we use for live vocals, it seems to mix a good dynamic mic with a little bit of a condensor.
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Old 9th December 2007, 04:46 PM   #12
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Try the CAD M-179. Its highs are nowhere near as exaggerated as a C-1, and the tight cardioid pattern has killer rejection.
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Old 9th December 2007, 05:10 PM   #13
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How about a Blue Ball? $100, dynamic, but a more "open" sound than a 57 or 58. It has an active balancing circuit that's phantom powered, but it is indeed a dynamic.
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Old 9th December 2007, 11:25 PM   #14
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Have you thought about the sm57 with "Tab" transformer that is sold at www.mercenary.com ??

.... I have.
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wow!

I use a Beta 58 live, and in the studio for screamy vocals.

A LaMere, thanks for the link! I'm going to have to get one of those!
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Old 10th December 2007, 06:00 AM   #16
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If you love the C1....

Check out the SE Reflexion Filter. You may not need a new mic at all.

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Old 10th December 2007, 08:58 AM   #17
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or maybe one of these:

TAB-Funkenwerk Transformer Modfor SM57 and SM58 Microphones
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