T-Pain = Milli Vanilli? (Ban Antares Auto-Tune)

Slim Cutty · 8th August 2007, 01:15 AM

I knew that auto-tune helps tweak things here and there; however, T-pain has used it to basically launch his career. I wanted to throw up when I saw this posted at another forum (sorry if this is a re-post).

Here's a demonstration of the software he uses to get the effect on his voice.
http://www.youtube.com/v/RYiN2N_JADg

Further proof of his horrid vocals "singing" on Jimmy Kimmel Live without the effect.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YCDWLaFc9u4
BUSTED!

Pop music is horrible ... smh! What are some of you all's thoughts on this and the use of T-pain?

peace

C Heat · 8th August 2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Slim Cutty

Here's a demonstration of the software he uses to get the effect on his voice.
http://www.youtube.com/v/RYiN2N_JADg

That was actually pretty entertaining :)

slaves666 · 8th August 2007, 02:23 AM

The T-Pain in the autotune video was white, the guys on Jimmy Kimmell was black.......I'm confused.

Anyways. I would be surprised if people actually likes his vocals over-autotuned like that.....

gm5k · 8th August 2007, 02:34 AM

i wouldnt call t-pain's performance on jimmy kimmel that horrid...ive heard much much worse. i was actually a little surprised at how...not awful it was?

only listened to the beginning though.

C Heat · 8th August 2007, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by slaves666

Anyways. I would be surprised if people actually likes his vocals over-autotuned like that.....

I do. I actually really like the AutoTune sound.

There I said it.

I don't care who uses it.

I'm an AutoTune fan.

Jonboy79 · 8th August 2007, 02:48 AM

I don't think there's a problem with autotune. It's useful for people who actually can sing as well. It can save a magical take that may have had one or two little spots with pitch problems.

hw2nw · 8th August 2007, 02:57 AM

T-Pain is thoroughly entertaining!!

the band on Kimmel is rocking at least. Love the hits.

[/guilty pleasure]

Dopamine · 8th August 2007, 04:58 AM

<< What are some of you all's thoughts on this and the use of T-pain? >>

I think it's brilliant!! Not an effect I would want to hear on someone like Tom Petty (then I may puke), but in this genre it works great.

I think of it as a modern variation of the talkbox or vocoder (both sounds I've loved since I was a kid).

<< Pop music is horrible >>

Well, if you hate pop music, then no wonder that effect bugs you. I personally enjoy listening to a wide variety of music.

I suspect the original poster must hate most 80's music and anything that is "gimmicky". To each his own, but I love that stuff.

Slim Cutty · 8th August 2007, 05:44 AM

I guess it bugs me as a hip hop dude for some reason ... he really sucks ass at singing to me but he did capitalize off of something in a smart way. Just seems like he'd be able to sing better is all I guess ... I hear just recently that he wanted to rap more but his label told him he'd be singing ..lol he even admitted (according to the source) that he's not a great singer and is working on that area ... that raised my opinion of him (not that it matters)

theblue1 · 8th August 2007, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gm5k

i wouldnt call t-pain's performance on jimmy kimmel that horrid...ive heard much much worse. i was actually a little surprised at how...not awful it was?

only listened to the beginning though.

Yeah... I listened to a couple minutes. I really hated the song but I didn't think the guy's singing was all that awful... You know, he was shy on a couple notes and they weren't exactly challenging parts... but I've heard lots worse. From the build up I was thinkin' Ashlee Simpson bad. Maybe it'd mean more if I was familiar with the studio version, which I presume is tarted up pretty good. I have to say that I really hate the ensemble ad libs or whatever the hell one calls that backup singing. Arf.

[Full disclosure: I currently have a song with a synthetically generated acapella vocal intro (not Autotuned, per se) in the top forty of the house charts at Soundclick (thanks, mom, you can stop downloading it now, I keep telling you). I think it sounds pretty cool. Fake as hell, but pretty cool.

]

Lehkz · 8th August 2007, 06:04 AM

Actually,
Auto-Tune can be used as a tool to help your natural singing.. Sometimes I just throw AT on chromatic with a retune of like 1. It can help to show you how sharp or flat you are.

lancebug · 8th August 2007, 06:16 AM

Yes it was that bad. The song itself is awful. The writing is probably the worst part. As far as his singing goes, its not like he's Samo Hung but he's amateurish enough that its conceivable that he wouldn't get through the audition phase of American Idol.

theblue1 · 8th August 2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lancebug

Yes it was that bad. The song itself is awful. The writing is probably the worst part. As far as his singing goes, its not like he's Samo Hung but he's amateurish enough that its conceivable that he wouldn't get through the audition phase of American Idol.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that.

I guess I was just expecting a worst case scenario performance...

Raj Smoove · 8th August 2007, 07:12 AM

i think some of you need to lighten up expand your ideas of creativity and appreciate it for what it is.

no, t-pain is not the greatest singer in the world. but he has pushed the boundaries of a common plug in and done something original. i am somewhat new to this forum but i always hear people talking about being creative. its fun, its fresh, and t-pain is a complete clown (in a comedy sense).

its just entertainment. he will not be standing next to luther vandross or gerald levert in the rock and roll hall of fame. dont take it so seriously. i've seen him perform live at a dj conference. he wasnt that bad, his stage show was decent, and he had everyone laughing. it was the first time he had done "in love wit a stripper"

like it or not, laugh at it and keep it on moving

h

sethdk · 8th August 2007, 07:18 AM

rodney jerkins used to use the autotune years ago on every project. his last album he did w/ brandy years ago had autotune on every song on the album.

t-pain didnt invent this.

no matter what anyone thinks one fact is that his fans like his songs and his albums. (2 out of 2 GOLD plus).

Milli Vanilli lip synced and werent even in the studio when the songs were recorded by other people. Pain makes the beats and writes the songs.

swisha31 · 8th August 2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raj Smoove

i think some of you need to lighten up expand your ideas of creativity and appreciate it for what it is.

no, t-pain is not the greatest singer in the world. but he has pushed the boundaries of a common plug in and done something original. i am somewhat new to this forum but i always hear people talking about being creative. its fun, its fresh, and t-pain is a complete clown (in a comedy sense).

its just entertainment. he will not be standing next to luther vandross or gerald levert in the rock and roll hall of fame. dont take it so seriously. i've seen him perform live at a dj conference. he wasnt that bad, his stage show was decent, and he had everyone laughing. it was the first time he had done "in love wit a stripper"

like it or not, laugh at it and keep it on moving

h

agreed

CKK · 8th August 2007, 07:58 AM

Is this for real??? How on earth can this bum stay in business??? Do he really have an audience??? Are people stupid??? Am i getting old???

C Heat · 8th August 2007, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKK

Is this for real???

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKK

How on earth can this bum stay in business???

He's paying lotsa peoples rent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKK

Do he really have an audience???

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKK

Are people stupid???

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKK

Am i getting old???

If you have to ask, then, well, yes.

You're welcome.

Chrisc_o · 9th August 2007, 02:08 PM

Well done c-heat!

HIGHENDONLY · 9th August 2007, 02:31 PM

Well tpain touch me so much threw his autotune singing, i had to make a autotune song and name it autotune. The song is called autotune, by autotune.

Dopamine · 9th August 2007, 03:47 PM

<< i think some of you need to lighten up expand your ideas of creativity and appreciate it for what it is. no, t-pain is not the greatest singer in the world. but he has pushed the boundaries of a common plug in and done something original >>

Couldn't have said it better myself!

The people that hate on T-Pain remind me of the ones that discredit artist Jackson Pollock. "Anybody can throw a bunch of paint around." Yes, but he did it first and was arguably the biggest American artist of the 20th century.

feedback711 · 9th August 2007, 06:28 PM

he only breeds ignorance into a community of people that dont need to be any more ignorant

swisha31 · 9th August 2007, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feedback711

he only breeds ignorance into a community of people that dont need to be any more ignorant

the questions isnt if he can sing or not, nobody said he could actually sing. he isnt luther vandross.

on another question, which community are you speaking of?

daverich · 10th August 2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HIGHENDONLY

Well tpain touch me so much threw his autotune singing, i had to make a autotune song and name it autotune. The song is called autotune, by autotune.

I simply can't take this song seriously because theres no "BAAAAAAAAAAAABEEEEEEEEEE" at the end.

;)

Kind regards

Dave Rich

Jonboy79 · 10th August 2007, 07:33 PM

First of all t-pain using auto tune as an effect is not original. I'm fairly sure Kid Rock was using something like it on that one slow song he did where he actually tried to sing instead of yell/rapping or whatever that shit is he does. Second of all, for anyone who really gives a shit either way, get over it. You really shouldn't spend that much time caring about shit like this.

rodge · 10th August 2007, 07:57 PM

this song is played about every 20 minutes on the radio up north here. it's a hit, and people recognize it...

Chrisc_o · 10th August 2007, 07:58 PM

I for one and carefully reviewing my plugin collection to see which one I can exaggerate and exploit to become a millionaire!

I suggest you do the same. See you at the grammys.

PhilE · 10th August 2007, 08:52 PM

Autotune isnt my issue with this song- I just heard it for the first time on that clip (the live one) and the song is dreadful even if he could sing!

Oroz · 10th August 2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sethdk

rt-pain didnt invent this.

Of course not. I used to call it the Cher effect because of the song "Do you believe in love" (Is that the actual title? I don't remember). That was one of the first songs that made the super-autotuned effect famous.

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8th August 2007, 01:15 AM	#1
Slim Cutty Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 51	T-Pain = Milli Vanilli? (Ban Antares Auto-Tune) I knew that auto-tune helps tweak things here and there; however, T-pain has used it to basically launch his career. I wanted to throw up when I saw this posted at another forum (sorry if this is a re-post). Here's a demonstration of the software he uses to get the effect on his voice. http://www.youtube.com/v/RYiN2N_JADg Further proof of his horrid vocals "singing" on Jimmy Kimmel Live without the effect. http://www.youtube.com/v/YCDWLaFc9u4 BUSTED! Pop music is horrible ... smh! What are some of you all's thoughts on this and the use of T-pain? peace

8th August 2007, 02:23 AM	#3
slaves666 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,432	The T-Pain in the autotune video was white, the guys on Jimmy Kimmell was black.......I'm confused. Anyways. I would be surprised if people actually likes his vocals over-autotuned like that..... __________________ www.upliftproductions.com www.myspace.com/themonarchymusic

8th August 2007, 02:34 AM	#4
gm5k Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 500 Series Land/San Antonio,Tx Posts: 1,538	i wouldnt call t-pain's performance on jimmy kimmel that horrid...ive heard much much worse. i was actually a little surprised at how...not awful it was? only listened to the beginning though. __________________ "I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn't do anything, he didn't react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett's a--, and won the damn championship. You know what I'm sayin'? That's gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he's a pimp."-Ron Artest

8th August 2007, 07:12 AM	#14
Raj Smoove Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Orleans Posts: 26	i think some of you need to lighten up expand your ideas of creativity and appreciate it for what it is. no, t-pain is not the greatest singer in the world. but he has pushed the boundaries of a common plug in and done something original. i am somewhat new to this forum but i always hear people talking about being creative. its fun, its fresh, and t-pain is a complete clown (in a comedy sense). its just entertainment. he will not be standing next to luther vandross or gerald levert in the rock and roll hall of fame. dont take it so seriously. i've seen him perform live at a dj conference. he wasnt that bad, his stage show was decent, and he had everyone laughing. it was the first time he had done "in love wit a stripper" like it or not, laugh at it and keep it on moving h __________________ God creates, we're only listening

8th August 2007, 02:48 AM	#6
Jonboy79 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 2,200	I don't think there's a problem with autotune. It's useful for people who actually can sing as well. It can save a magical take that may have had one or two little spots with pitch problems.

8th August 2007, 02:57 AM	#7
hw2nw Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 89	T-Pain is thoroughly entertaining!! the band on Kimmel is rocking at least. Love the hits. [/guilty pleasure]

8th August 2007, 04:58 AM	#8
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,520	<< What are some of you all's thoughts on this and the use of T-pain? >> I think it's brilliant!! Not an effect I would want to hear on someone like Tom Petty (then I may puke), but in this genre it works great. I think of it as a modern variation of the talkbox or vocoder (both sounds I've loved since I was a kid). << Pop music is horrible >> Well, if you hate pop music, then no wonder that effect bugs you. I personally enjoy listening to a wide variety of music. I suspect the original poster must hate most 80's music and anything that is "gimmicky". To each his own, but I love that stuff.

8th August 2007, 05:44 AM	#9
Slim Cutty Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 51	I guess it bugs me as a hip hop dude for some reason ... he really sucks ass at singing to me but he did capitalize off of something in a smart way. Just seems like he'd be able to sing better is all I guess ... I hear just recently that he wanted to rap more but his label told him he'd be singing ..lol he even admitted (according to the source) that he's not a great singer and is working on that area ... that raised my opinion of him (not that it matters)

8th August 2007, 06:04 AM	#11
Lehkz Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Orange, NJ / Dix Hills, NY Posts: 79	Actually, Auto-Tune can be used as a tool to help your natural singing.. Sometimes I just throw AT on chromatic with a retune of like 1. It can help to show you how sharp or flat you are.

8th August 2007, 06:16 AM	#12
lancebug Gear nut Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 81	Yes it was that bad. The song itself is awful. The writing is probably the worst part. As far as his singing goes, its not like he's Samo Hung but he's amateurish enough that its conceivable that he wouldn't get through the audition phase of American Idol.

8th August 2007, 07:18 AM	#15
sethdk Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 173	rodney jerkins used to use the autotune years ago on every project. his last album he did w/ brandy years ago had autotune on every song on the album. t-pain didnt invent this. no matter what anyone thinks one fact is that his fans like his songs and his albums. (2 out of 2 GOLD plus). Milli Vanilli lip synced and werent even in the studio when the songs were recorded by other people. Pain makes the beats and writes the songs.

8th August 2007, 07:58 AM	#17
CKK Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: DK Posts: 477	Is this for real??? How on earth can this bum stay in business??? Do he really have an audience??? Are people stupid??? Am i getting old???

9th August 2007, 02:08 PM	#19
Chrisc_o Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 409	Well done c-heat!

9th August 2007, 02:31 PM	#20
HIGHENDONLY Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Middlebury CT Posts: 825	Well tpain touch me so much threw his autotune singing, i had to make a autotune song and name it autotune. The song is called autotune, by autotune.

9th August 2007, 03:47 PM	#21
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,520	<< i think some of you need to lighten up expand your ideas of creativity and appreciate it for what it is. no, t-pain is not the greatest singer in the world. but he has pushed the boundaries of a common plug in and done something original >> Couldn't have said it better myself! The people that hate on T-Pain remind me of the ones that discredit artist Jackson Pollock. "Anybody can throw a bunch of paint around." Yes, but he did it first and was arguably the biggest American artist of the 20th century.

9th August 2007, 06:28 PM	#22
feedback711 Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Up in the clouds Posts: 601	t pain sucks he only breeds ignorance into a community of people that dont need to be any more ignorant

10th August 2007, 07:33 PM	#25
Jonboy79 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 2,200	First of all t-pain using auto tune as an effect is not original. I'm fairly sure Kid Rock was using something like it on that one slow song he did where he actually tried to sing instead of yell/rapping or whatever that shit is he does. Second of all, for anyone who really gives a shit either way, get over it. You really shouldn't spend that much time caring about shit like this.

10th August 2007, 07:57 PM	#26
rodge Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 170	this song is played about every 20 minutes on the radio up north here. it's a hit, and people recognize it... __________________ dave crosstown recording studios inc. http://www.allanrodger.com

10th August 2007, 07:58 PM	#27
Chrisc_o Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 409	I for one and carefully reviewing my plugin collection to see which one I can exaggerate and exploit to become a millionaire! I suggest you do the same. See you at the grammys.

10th August 2007, 08:52 PM	#28
PhilE Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,213	Autotune isnt my issue with this song- I just heard it for the first time on that clip (the live one) and the song is dreadful even if he could sing!