Show me your low end room

[Elak]

low end and compact

[peeder]

Thanks for sharing all these pix. Most of these rooms can certainly be used to make some great music. The one thing I keep seeing though in the pictures is poor monitor placement. Some of the monitors are too close to each other, some too far, the tweeters are rarely at ear level, many are on their sides when they should be upright for the sake of proper imaging.

I think this latter problem comes from seeing NS-10's in big studios, but those studios have them that way because they want to avoid cluttering sightlines into the live room and sound lines to the mains (not to mention knocking the NS10's off the meter bridge). The sound of NS10s isn't that important when you've got a great set of mains in a great room!

For a few dollars in cinderblocks, some careful placement in the room as a whole, and maybe a set of Auralex Mopads, most of these rooms would have a dramatic improvement in the results coming out of them. A few of the rooms are fine, but if I had to work in many of them I'd spend an hour fixing the ability to hear first of all.

[erock]

Originally Posted by peeder

Thanks for sharing all these pix. Most of these rooms can certainly be used to make some great music. The one thing I keep seeing though in the pictures is poor monitor placement. Some of the monitors are too close to each other, some too far, the tweeters are rarely at ear level, many are on their sides when they should be upright for the sake of proper imaging.

I think this latter problem comes from seeing NS-10's in big studios, but those studios have them that way because they want to avoid cluttering sightlines into the live room and sound lines to the mains (not to mention knocking the NS10's off the meter bridge). The sound of NS10s isn't that important when you've got a great set of mains in a great room!

For a few dollars in cinderblocks, some careful placement in the room as a whole, and maybe a set of Auralex Mopads, most of these rooms would have a dramatic improvement in the results coming out of them. A few of the rooms are fine, but if I had to work in many of them I'd spend an hour fixing the ability to hear first of all.

Monitor placement is a crucial issue. I try to keep mine at the right distance. The tweeters look about ear level (in the pic it looks like a straight line) and I'm pretty sure we're all the same distance from eachother, though I've never actually measured.

My problem is I'm not far away enough from the wall behind my monitors and I also have standing wave issues all over my room so that def. doesn't help. Guess I'll be investing in some ready traps and maybe some diffusers.

And +1 for the mopads. They're great and cheap.

[Dor]

Here's a 1/2 shot of mine with mo pads. :)

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by emkay

Looks cool and simple and as long as you're doing what you hear in your head and feel in your heart, there's no reason to make excuses for your room. Gotta make do with what you've got.....I've heard some real shit here at GS recorded with "hi-end" gear. It's the tune first, performance second, room next,gear last.......... in my opinion...//////........peace

thanks for the encoragement and i do agree. my issue is really my room does suck lol. ive moved this rig to my living room im in a corner but since i mix on headphones i dont see a big issue with that. I wasn't really complaining about my rig tho I envy a lot of your rigs and wish I had the funds for a lot of these setups. they are great

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by peeder

Thanks for sharing all these pix. Most of these rooms can certainly be used to make some great music. The one thing I keep seeing though in the pictures is poor monitor placement. Some of the monitors are too close to each other, some too far, the tweeters are rarely at ear level, many are on their sides when they should be upright for the sake of proper imaging.

I think this latter problem comes from seeing NS-10's in big studios, but those studios have them that way because they want to avoid cluttering sightlines into the live room and sound lines to the mains (not to mention knocking the NS10's off the meter bridge). The sound of NS10s isn't that important when you've got a great set of mains in a great room!

For a few dollars in cinderblocks, some careful placement in the room as a whole, and maybe a set of Auralex Mopads, most of these rooms would have a dramatic improvement in the results coming out of them. A few of the rooms are fine, but if I had to work in many of them I'd spend an hour fixing the ability to hear first of all.

+1 for mo pads they really showed me how much my monitors are lacking in bass now i want a new pair

[Todd24]

Originally Posted by peeder

Thanks for sharing all these pix. Most of these rooms can certainly be used to make some great music. The one thing I keep seeing though in the pictures is poor monitor placement. Some of the monitors are too close to each other, some too far, the tweeters are rarely at ear level, many are on their sides when they should be upright for the sake of proper imaging.

I think this latter problem comes from seeing NS-10's in big studios, but those studios have them that way because they want to avoid cluttering sightlines into the live room and sound lines to the mains (not to mention knocking the NS10's off the meter bridge). The sound of NS10s isn't that important when you've got a great set of mains in a great room!

For a few dollars in cinderblocks, some careful placement in the room as a whole, and maybe a set of Auralex Mopads, most of these rooms would have a dramatic improvement in the results coming out of them. A few of the rooms are fine, but if I had to work in many of them I'd spend an hour fixing the ability to hear first of all.

What I notice more, is a lack of bass traps and early reflection treatment in many of these rooms. I dont care where you put the speakers if you have standing waves and smeared reflections. Gotta have em people. Cant mix (consistantly) without them.

[erock]

Originally Posted by Todd24

What I notice more, is a lack of bass traps and early reflection treatment in many of these rooms. I dont care where you put the speakers if you have standing waves and smeared reflections. Gotta have em people. Cant mix (consistantly) without them.

Yep. That's what I was saying in a nutshell.

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Todd24

What I notice more, is a lack of bass traps and early reflection treatment in many of these rooms. I dont care where you put the speakers if you have standing waves and smeared reflections. Gotta have em people. Cant mix (consistantly) without them.

Well even so the concept of nearfields is to accentuate the primary signal vs. the reflected one, for just those reasons. The rooms could at least get the primary signal right for an extra $50 and an hour or two of moving stuff around.

If the primary signal and its stereo field is wrong, it's not terribly relevant to treat the room.

[DowntownScience]

Apologies For The Darkness... Peeder I'd Be Interested To Know Your Opinion On My Monitor Placement, I Realise A Corner Is Never Ideal. But They Are Isolated At The Correct Ear Level With Bass Traps Behind Them... Is There Any Placement That Will Allow This To Work, The Room Is Treated (Ceiling Tile & Four Inch Wedges That I Will Be Using As Diffusors On The Opposing Wall Come Tomorrow)...

And Apart From That?...

[Todd24]

Originally Posted by peeder

If the primary signal and its stereo field is wrong, it's not terribly relevant to treat the room.

I think it works both ways. Bad treatment=bad sound, bad placement=bad sound.

you have to treat the room as much as you have to have the speakers right. Anything else will give misinformation. Ie , mixes that do not translate.

By the way, what do you think about having the speakers hung? I didnt notice any real differance my self over having them on speaker pads. Even with the speakers cranked I cant feel the bass moving them at all. They do wiegh a ton though.

They are angled slightly downward so that the tweeter is right at my ear. The upshot is if I recline, they are still at my ear.

Here is my pic so you can see what I mean.

[peeder]

Originally Posted by DowntownScience

Apologies For The Darkness... Peeder I'd Be Interested To Know Your Opinion On My Monitor Placement, I Realise A Corner Is Never Ideal. But They Are Isolated At The Correct Ear Level With Bass Traps Behind Them... Is There Any Placement That Will Allow This To Work, The Room Is Treated (Ceiling Tile & Four Inch Wedges That I Will Be Using As Diffusors On The Opposing Wall Come Tomorrow)...

And Apart From That?...

Those gennies look fine...I dunno about what's hanging over them (can't really see).

Anyway, I'm not trying to diagnose specific problems (nor could I, really), I'm just suggesting something that may help!

[Allesmachine]

Originally Posted by Elak

low end and compact

Nice Waldorf collection! MicroQ, MW1, Pulse. I rock a MWXT myself

[Elak]

Nice Waldorf collection! MicroQ, MW1, Pulse. I rock a MWXT myself

Thanks!
It's MicroQ, MW1 and MW2 no more Pulse. that one and my gray MWXT2 ended up on eBay years ago.
I mostly use the MKS80 and uWave1 and uWave2.

[bamm]

Probably a little too much "B" word in this studio for most tastes, but we get results. Hope you like it!

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by bamm

Probably a little too much "B" word in this studio for most tastes, but we get results. Hope you like it!

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i see no women what r u talking about. Behringer is a live saver

[Memphlow]

Originally Posted by project 114

I've Got the same notebook, do you have a problem with it bluescreening and saying something about dumping physical memory? Also I'll assume yours didn't come with windows media center edition because it doesn't work with anything recording related.

No I have never had any issue with the notebook. It runs both of my Audiofire 12's without an issue. To answer your second question, yes it is the media center edition and it functions as my DAW. Im just curious, why would it not work with anything recording related?

[project 114]

Originally Posted by Memphlow

No I have never had any issue with the notebook. It runs both of my Audiofire 12's without an issue. To answer your second question, yes it is the media center edition and it functions as my DAW. Im just curious, why would it not work with anything recording related?

I got mine specifically for recording the following week, I went out and got the m-audio 1814 and pro tools m-powered. Only to find out that neither works with media center edition. I than found out that Pro tools wouldn't run with the processor in my notebook. And musicians friend wouldn't let me return the interface or protools. So now I use cubase 4 and the presonus firepod.

[Memphlow]

Originally Posted by project 114

I got mine specifically for recording the following week, I went out and got the m-audio 1814 and pro tools m-powered. Only to find out that neither works with media center edition. I than found out that Pro tools wouldn't run with the processor in my notebook. And musicians friend wouldn't let me return the interface or protools. So now I use cubase 4 and the presonus firepod.

Strange,
Well I lucked out. I am using cubase 4 as well and love it. Good luck.

[cgrafx]

We just finished building out the drum booth and moving the rest of the studio gear into the room. We still have a bunch of room treatment to do. Although the Drum room does have a bass trap built-in to the back wall.

[project 114]

Do you run that air conditioner during sessions? I would think it would either brown out the studio or leave a really nasty hum on everything.

[everybody's x]

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[cgrafx]

Originally Posted by project 114

Do you run that air conditioner during sessions? I would think it would either brown out the studio or leave a really nasty hum on everything.

Not sure if that question was for me, but I'll answer as if it was. We have a rooftop HVAC unit piped into both the the main room and the drum that doesn't produce enough noise to be a problem for tracking drums. We run the wall unit when we take breaks but don't generally run it while playing.

There isn't any power induced noise from either air conditioning units, but we did some accoustic guitar tracks that required shutting off everything in the building, as the room mics did a great job of picking up the smallest noises from everywhere.

[WKG]

Here's my little place...

Not much I can do with the shape right now. I do have it stuffed with 2'X4' rigid fiberglass, 12, 4" and 3, 2", best thing I ever did for my recording.

[Ryuben]

Originally Posted by WKG

Here's my little place...

Not much I can do with the shape right now. I do have it stuffed with 2'X4' rigid fiberglass, 12, 4" and 3, 2", best thing I ever did for my recording.

Looks like you did well to maximize your space!
Nice.

Got a couple of questions if you don't mind:

Are those the older M-audio BX8's? If so, how do you like them? With all of your room treatment and those monitors do they seem to translate well?

What kind of fabric/material is that covering most of your fiberglass (the tan, not the black). Almost looks like suede-like in the pics.

[WKG]

Originally Posted by Ryuben

Looks like you did well to maximize your space!
Nice.

Got a couple of questions if you don't mind:

Are those the older M-audio BX8's? If so, how do you like them? With all of your room treatment and those monitors do they seem to translate well?

What kind of fabric/material is that covering most of your fiberglass (the tan, not the black). Almost looks like suede-like in the pics.

I actually like the BX8's. Some think they are a little harsh but there are attenuation switches on the back if you feel you need to adjust them. I have no trouble with mix translation.

The traps are John Mansville rigid fiberglass, similar to OC 703. I got the covers from Ready Traps and put them together myself.

https://readytraps.com/

They look nice and have hanging straps already attached to the back. I was just going to buy some cheap fabric but after considering the time to make frames for hanging and covering them I went with Ready Traps. I glad I did as they look great and were much easier to hang.

[RawDepth]

This is where I play around. I built the desk myself.

[johnwayne]

Here's my little creation space.

[tenchijin2]

Not the best photos, but it's tough to get a room this small in a photo! The V-drums aren't normally there. THey are part of a current project.

I have a few tracks I've done here:
www.junglenoisestudio.com/songs/nomatterwhat.mp3
www.junglenoisestudio.com/songs/killerqueen.mp3
www.junglenoisestudio.com/songs/sito.mp3
The above three tracks have the acoustic drums, guitars, and vocals recorded there in the room.