Beatles Vocal Double Tracking

niceandcivilize · 9th June 2007, 04:50 AM

I've searched and searched, but I've found no good info. Whats a cheap way to record a decent double tracked vocal, without being too phasey?

I love that ADT sound.

Any thoughts?

-Seth

CommunityMart · 9th June 2007, 04:55 AM

Cheap way.

The only thing I can come up with is this tape delay plugin or using a duplicated (phase-reversed) track with a 29.4 delay.

I hope we can get a little help from our friends on this one bud.

Tibbon · 9th June 2007, 07:13 AM

Does anyone know what ADT machines they actually used at Abbey Road? It's odd that all of the preamps, comps and mics have been replicated nonstop since then, but I've never seen a "Abbey Road ADT machine" for sale. From what I understand they were just modified tape machines, but I could be wrong.

zilver · 9th June 2007, 11:47 AM

The ADT machine was a normal tape machine they used as a tape delay. To make the sound a bit more "alive" the tape speed was varied by hand.

A short delay with some modulation would mimmic this.

Hans

tenchijin2 · 9th June 2007, 03:37 PM

The cheapest way is to sing the part twice... and it sounds better, too!

That's how the Beach Boys did it (long before the beatles, incidentally).

**edit** I just noticed the OP loves the "ADT" sound, so my comments are pretty irrelevant. Sorry.

RusRant · 9th June 2007, 04:14 PM

I do the ADT thing all the time while mixing. Doubling tracks sounds great, but completly different than ADT. I personally use several 1/4 consumer grade machines for this. I have a modded Panasonic 707 and an all tube Viking 77 with nos telefunken tubes. These are great for the ADT vibe and can be purchased for little $.

blackcatdigi · 9th June 2007, 05:06 PM

Can't remember whether it's the Primetime 93 or Primetime II 95, but one of these Lexicons has a dynamic modulation algo (that varies the delay times based on the input's dynamics) that does an incredible ADT.

I don't know of any other delay that has this particular feature.

theblue1 · 9th June 2007, 06:29 PM

While I'm generally one of those, if you want the best x sound, get a real x, guys...

But tape style echo is something that is relatively easy to recreate with a good, fairly well-featured delay. By controlling the EQ, delay, decay, and maybe throwing in a little subtle LFO modulation you can create a tape style sound that should be indistinguishable from the "real thing" in a mix. (And, of course, there are undoubtedly a number of plugs with presets that get you part or maybe all the way there.)

max cooper · 10th June 2007, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenchijin2

The cheapest way is to sing the part twice... and it sounds better, too!

I agree. I like the songs where Lennon double-tracked vs. the other way.

It's so damn easy to sing the part twice, too.

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9th June 2007, 04:50 AM	#1
niceandcivilize Gear interested Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7	Beatles Vocal Double Tracking I've searched and searched, but I've found no good info. Whats a cheap way to record a decent double tracked vocal, without being too phasey? I love that ADT sound. Any thoughts? -Seth

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Tibbon Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boston/MA Posts: 4,091	Does anyone know what ADT machines they actually used at Abbey Road? It's odd that all of the preamps, comps and mics have been replicated nonstop since then, but I've never seen a "Abbey Road ADT machine" for sale. From what I understand they were just modified tape machines, but I could be wrong. __________________ David Fisher (aka tibbon) What is Noise, Blog (DIY, gear, tech, etc) Follow me on Twitter

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blackcatdigi Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: upstate, sc Posts: 1,465	Can't remember whether it's the Primetime 93 or Primetime II 95, but one of these Lexicons has a dynamic modulation algo (that varies the delay times based on the input's dynamics) that does an incredible ADT. I don't know of any other delay that has this particular feature. __________________ Sincerely, Casey SC Digital Services Bob Olhsson wrote on 17th September 2002, 12:56 PM: "Music is being used to sort consumers rather than to entertain people."

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theblue1 Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 5,715	While I'm generally one of those, if you want the best x sound, get a real x, guys... But tape style echo is something that is relatively easy to recreate with a good, fairly well-featured delay. By controlling the EQ, delay, decay, and maybe throwing in a little subtle LFO modulation you can create a tape style sound that should be indistinguishable from the "real thing" in a mix. (And, of course, there are undoubtedly a number of plugs with presets that get you part or maybe all the way there.) __________________ biz \| profile \| songblog \| acoustic \| mutant roots pop

9th June 2007, 04:55 AM	#2
CommunityMart Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 224	Cheap way. The only thing I can come up with is this tape delay plugin or using a duplicated (phase-reversed) track with a 29.4 delay. I hope we can get a little help from our friends on this one bud.

9th June 2007, 11:47 AM	#4
zilver Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 280	The ADT machine was a normal tape machine they used as a tape delay. To make the sound a bit more "alive" the tape speed was varied by hand. A short delay with some modulation would mimmic this. Hans

9th June 2007, 03:37 PM	#5
tenchijin2 Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: La Center, WA Posts: 97	The cheapest way is to sing the part twice... and it sounds better, too! That's how the Beach Boys did it (long before the beatles, incidentally). edit I just noticed the OP loves the "ADT" sound, so my comments are pretty irrelevant. Sorry.

9th June 2007, 04:14 PM	#6
RusRant Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: B'ham, AL Posts: 582	I do the ADT thing all the time while mixing. Doubling tracks sounds great, but completly different than ADT. I personally use several 1/4 consumer grade machines for this. I have a modded Panasonic 707 and an all tube Viking 77 with nos telefunken tubes. These are great for the ADT vibe and can be purchased for little $.

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