"Nickelback" sound

[TheNoize]

Originally Posted by desol

Double, triple and quadruple everything, then squish the shit out of it with a slew of distressors. Add a whole bunch of autotune...harmonizers and whatever other spices...and there you have it!

D.

Wow, sounds so easy when an expert like you puts it like that. Can we hear some of your mixes so that we may all be in awe?

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by Daniel Antix

i've heard that they double the kick drum and bass line an octave lower in the mix... i've tried it in a few mixes and i like doing it now for that type of music... dont know if they actually do it though, just what a mastering engineer told my ex studio partner.

This is something that has not been brought up until now and i have been busting at the gut to say, Nickelbacks sounds is not all in those mesa amps, they have a hell of a bass player that mainly plays the hell out of the B string, so its gonna seem like Nickelback is getting a shit load of low end when its really coming from that elite bass player and his skills.....thats a huge 50 percent of more of the sound. And im sure they are tuned down as well.......i never got into bands that tune down, play 440, its the standard, why tune down just so you can sing something ? How do you drop a Trumpet a hole step to make it lower....lol

[Brad Blackwood]

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

Actually it just means they threw a lot of money at marketing.

Wrong. If it were only about the marketing, every major label release would sell millions.

They don't.

People buy records because they like them, not because they are convinced to.

[TheNoize]

Originally Posted by Brad Blackwood

Wrong. If it were only about the marketing, every major label release would sell millions.

They don't. People buy records because they like them, not because they are convinced to.

Hmmm.... well.... it's not that simple really.

Technically people buy the ones they like more, out of the ones they were convinced to hear. So first you need the marketing, then you need people to like it.

[Brad Blackwood]

Originally Posted by TheNoize

Hmmm.... well.... it's not that simple really.

Technically people buy the ones they like more, out of the ones they were convinced to hear. So first you need the marketing, then you need people to like it.

Sure, but suggesting the only reason NB sold 5M was because of marketing is ludicrous. That's my point...

[Animus]

Originally Posted by TheNoize

Oh yeah. They are.




It's way better if they turn to Nickelback than Cradle of Filth and Gorgoroth. At least it's the music that is commercial (which demands some writing knowledge), not the random black metal garage screaming backed up only by a commercial attitude of being very vampirish.




Wow so that's what that is? Harmonizer? Damn I need that! Is there any RTAS plug in for that?

hmmm So you only have talent and skill if you make "commercial" music? I'd much rather listen to Cradle of Filth, who actually have really creative arrangements, than Nickelback. Nickelback have a template for every song, in fact, check out the site where they overlayed Nickelback songs and how well they matched.

[filthyrich]

Next time you hear a song on the radio and like it..try this. Listen to it about 50 times over a week or two. If you are pressed for time; listen in for a couple of hours and figure out whether they play the song at the 15 minute mark or the 30 etc etc. Once you do; listen in again around that time for a couple weeks. You are bound to hear the song 50 or so times..."randomly." Then; go and buy the cd. Listen to it about 50 times randomly over a few weeks. Be sure to skip the radio song each and every time. It is very likely that you end up liking the rest of the cd just as much. I get sick of people being stupid enough to say things like, "It's only got one good song." No, it's got 9-10 other songs you'd likely think were good too..if you had to listen. That is; unless it's out of their genre..i.e. a slower song by a heavier band.
To me; this is a prime example of marketing at it's best. I guess I'm going a very very long way out of my way to say that almost anything will crawl inside your brain and lay shitty little nickelbackish eggs that will hatch into creepy crawly stuck-in-your-head spiders of suck...if you are forced to hear it enough.
Remember singing "blame it on the rain" by M.Vanilli? I do.

Label sees dollar signs...signs band. They sell once...make everyone money. People are forced to listen...radio stations are forced to play it...the band sells more records. Band repeats actions on next record by making a new single with the exact same structure and bpm. Everyone including the band later laughs on VH1 special about how they looked and sounded. The circle of poo.

It's no different than bubblegum pop. The difference is that nickelback is shit; and thusly smells and tastes nothing like bubblegum.

I am a dick. I'm sorry. My father named me Richard. Blame him.

[ClaySchmitt]

Originally Posted by filthyrich

I am a dick. I'm sorry. My father named me Richard. Blame him.

hahah thumbsup

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by Brad Blackwood

Wrong. If it were only about the marketing, every major label release would sell millions.

They don't.

People buy records because they like them, not because they are convinced to.

The ones they put the money behind do.

People don't buy the crap labels release because they like it. They buy it because they don't know the difference.

[TheReal7]

Originally Posted by Methlab

He doesn't like compression on drums..he has said that before. And he is the FIRST person I have ever heard say they don't like the drums on the Nickelback record. So take that as you will.

I personally listen to bands like TV On The Radio, Appleseed Cast..stuff like that, but the production of Nickelback impressed me.

Acutally. I can't stand the drum sound too. Too clicky and unnatural sounding. IMO

[TheReal7]

Originally Posted by zaza2

i never got into bands that tune down, play 440, its the standard, why tune down just so you can sing something ? How do you drop a Trumpet a hole step to make it lower....lol

Who said anything about going lower so the singer can sing it?

There are no rules to music. Music is an art, no matter how formulated and stagnant it may be. I personally play 7 string guitars in standard tuning and have a low B on my guitar. I love the extra range it brings to the table. This by NO means means I am incapable of playing a 6 string guitar. Drop tuning also brings a new range of tones into the picture. Same with custom tunings on guitars like artists like Don Ross (amazing player) use. Once you start applying rules to music you start making stagnant repetitive music IE the artist in being talked about in this very thread. You can can say this is a "fad" all you want, but unfortunately, the general public, as a whole, is getting less intelligent every day IMO. I call it eh push button generation. So this kind of music is only going to get worse IMO. More bland and more formulated and less talent required by the 'artist' to make albums. All that will matter to the major labels will be sell-ability and image. Talent will be at the bottom of the list or not required at all.

I dream of a day when labels will put their focus on talent and inspiration in music instead of $ and image but I am afraid I will die before this will happen.

I want to go back in time LOL.


BTW.....Nickelback.....got their name because of what is on the back of a Canadian nickel I believe.

[84K]

although I am not a fan at all of their songs, or singing, the Nickelback albums sound amazing. Out of all these modern-post-gunge-constipated-singer rock bands, their albums sound the thickest and warmest. Mike Shipley and crew do a stellar job. The sound is great. Do not confuse your dislike for the music with the sound of the album.

[TheNoize]

Originally Posted by Animus

hmmm So you only have talent and skill if you make "commercial" music? I'd much rather listen to Cradle of Filth, who actually have really creative arrangements, than Nickelback. Nickelback have a template for every song, in fact, check out the site where they overlayed Nickelback songs and how well they matched.

Ohhh really??? ohhh like I didn't know that site! ooohhh amazing 2 of the songs sound similar when overlapped lol....

Anyone can make music without a structure. 10 minutes of random notes and uneven beats is quite "creative" isn't it? Very artistic, but it would sound like crap. It's music we're talking about isn't it? you know, that thing where the basic goal is.... to sound GOOD?...

If instead of listening and feeling what sounds good, you're analyzing if the song has a "template" or not, then I really don't know if you should be in this business, my friend.

[filthyrich]

I really don't know if you should be in this business, my friend.

That's twice you told someone that maybe they shouldn't be in the business. Maybe you should be a career guide instead of "being in the biz".

Your posts are starting to resemble Nickelback singles.

Also:
I wouldn't show a HORRIBLE movie with great directing to a group of aspiring directors. I would find an equally well directed movie that doesn't actually suck beyond belief. That way, when they use it as a reference; they don't have to dream of being blind the way that hearing Nickelhack makes me wish I had knives around to drive into my ear canals.

Good thing I'm not in the business.

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by TheReal7

I dream of a day when labels will put their focus on talent and inspiration in music instead of $ and image but I am afraid I will die before this will happen.

I want to go back in time LOL.

me too

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by TheReal7

Acutally. I can't stand the drum sound too. Too clicky and unnatural sounding. IMO

At least im not the ONLY one that can hear this.....

[amost]

Originally Posted by Brad Blackwood

Wrong. If it were only about the marketing, every major label release would sell millions.

They don't.

People buy records because they like them, not because they are convinced to.

Yeah for sure...and C&W radio cramming it down Joe 6 pack's throat a zillion times a month doesn't hurt either. Oh...wrong band. sorry.

[moon_unit]

Originally Posted by filthyrich

Your posts are starting to resemble Nickelback singles.

[TheNoize]

Originally Posted by filthyrich

Your posts are starting to resemble Nickelback singles.

Yours resemble 10-minute Cradle Of Filth incoherences.

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by 84K

warmest

You mention one word i cannot agree with. try cold (mainly the drums)

[ClaySchmitt]

Your all dead wrong, and you shouldn't be in the business.










-give your clients my number.

[kats]

I'd much rather listen to Cradle of Filth, who actually have really creative arrangements, than Nickelback. Nickelback have a template for every song,

Oh man, I don't know about that. When I think of arrangement from a mixer/producer POV, it's not so much Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus type of stuff...it's everything else.

And in that regard, I think NB arrangments from the production side is fantastic. But you have to pay attention - how they use delays, distortion, eq - all that stuff. It's always moving, changing, and interesting.

I think they define a sound/style. The problem is we're too used to it. But if you have a chance to just sit down and listen/analyze what's going on in those mixes - you can REALLY learn alot.


Just my opinion.

[TheNoize]

Originally Posted by kats

Oh man, I don't know about that. When I think of arrangement from a mixer/producer POV, it's not so much Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus type of stuff...it's everything else.

And in that regard, I think NB arrangments from the production side is fantastic. But you have to pay attention - how they use delays, distortion, eq - all that stuff. It's always moving, changing, and interesting.

I think they define a sound/style. The problem is we're too used to it. But if you have a chance to just sit down and listen/analyze what's going on in those mixes - you can REALLY learn alot.


Just my opinion.

Thank you...
I already gave up trying to make them understand.

As a mixing/recording eng., I take pleasure in listening to music I would A/B bands to while mixing.
And like I said, if they are more likely to A/B their clients to Cradle of Filth, I honestly wouldn't go near them for mixing work. Just a professional POV.

[filthyrich]

And like I said, if they are more likely to A/B their clients to Cradle of Filth, I honestly wouldn't go near them for mixing work

What if they are lucky enough to sound more like Cradle of Filth than Nickelback?

Shouldn't it depend on what the band sounds like that is recording?

Blankets are for warmth, not statements.

[TheNoize]

Originally Posted by filthyrich

What if they are lucky enough to sound more like Cradle of Filth than Nickelback?

Shouldn't it depend on what the band sounds like that is recording?

Blankets are for warmth, not statements.

Even Cradle of Filth want to sound like Nickelback, recording wise! You can ask Dani Filth! Their latest stuff after they signed with Sony is a lot more Randy Staub style....

Turns out they always hated their sound during all those 15 albums with the clicky kick drum and mosquito guitars - they said it themselves in interview.

So there you go. Eat that. HAHA. You've been defending something about Cradle of Filth that not even they defend! I just didn't say anything to see how far you would go...


pwn3d

[filthyrich]

Wow. You showed me.

I've never listened to cradle of filth. I could give two nickelbacks (shits) about what Cradle of Filth likes or doesn't like.

I am defending the fact that Nickelback should never be the standard for anything other than bland/trite/shit music and bad hair.

By the way, unless I'm as wrong as your musical taste is bad; I never defended cradle of filth.

If this is your answer:

What if they are lucky enough to sound more like Cradle of Filth than Nickelback?

Save it. They could sound more like ANYONE but nickelback; and they would be luckier.
Someone else used Cradle of Filth as an example...not me.

So there you go. Eat that. HAHA

wow. You win. But remember.

[filthyrich]

Arguing about Nickelback while running in the special olympics means that you are still in the special olympics...and you were still forced to listen to Nickelback.

There are no winners.

[TheNoize]

Now you're just saying dumb things.

[desol]

Originally Posted by TheNoize

Wow, sounds so easy when an expert like you puts it like that. Can we hear some of your mixes so that we may all be in awe?

Your right...it takes alot more than that to get such an awful sound.

Such as this:

Burp.... dfegad


Good......bye.

D.


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[Gear Tramp]

It's WAY past bedtime, children.



And get over yourselves, for god's sake.

Bunch of freakin' narcissists!