SOUND PROOFING...question....

[nuendoness]

Im want to make my control room diffuse sound better.
Ive included a layout of my C/R..

Can you guys help me out with suggestions on what to do about
sound proofing my room!

My budget is around $600..

Thanks

[drBill]

First off "sound proofing is a misnomer. I think you mean sound treatment to make the room more neutral.

First off, I'm not sure which drawing is your drawing. Never mind - just figured it out. The speaker placement in the first drawing isn't going to work unless you're sitting several feet back from the desk. You need an equilateral triangle between you head and the speakers. I'd suggest pulling the desk out from the wall and placing the speakers behind the desk on stands - or bringing them in closer.

Second, think about some angled walls. A parallel square shell is not a great starting point. Never mind. Just saw your budget.

There's not much you can do for $600, but I'd suggest you call Auralex and fax them your drawings. They will be able to spend all your money and get you headed in a generally good direction. To do it right, you are going to need much, much more money.

[nuendoness]

Originally Posted by drBill

First off "sound proofing is a misnomer. I think you mean sound treatment to make the room more neutral.

First off, I'm not sure which drawing is your drawing. Never mind - just figured it out. The speaker placement in the first drawing isn't going to work unless you're sitting several feet back from the desk. You need an equilateral triangle between you head and the speakers. I'd suggest pulling the desk out from the wall and placing the speakers behind the desk on stands - or bringing them in closer.

Second, think about some angled walls. A parallel square shell is not a great starting point. Never mind. Just saw your budget.

There's not much you can do for $600, but I'd suggest you call Auralex and fax them your drawings. They will be able to spend all your money and get you headed in a generally good direction. To do it right, you are going to need much, much more money.

hmm I see..
Well the monitors I'm using are pretty damn powerful..especially for my room.. but i do have stands for them so I'll go ahead and try it... budget wise its not really going to be a problem I just put $600 because I really don't know how much this will cost me but if it goes into the 4 digits its fine.. but the angled wall idea I'm not too sure about becouse its cramped as it is...

I'm just looking for tips on where to place bass traps, panels, etc...

any ideas?

[No4PCs]

Originally Posted by nuendoness

hmm I see..
Well the monitors I'm using are pretty damn powerful..especially for my room.. but i do have stands for them so I'll go ahead and try it... budget wise its not really going to be a problem I just put $600 because I really don't know how much this will cost me but if it goes into the 4 digits its fine.. but the angled wall idea I'm not too sure about becouse its cramped as it is...

I'm just looking for tips on where to place bass traps, panels, etc...

any ideas?

Hey friend, bass traps in the corners and some panels in walls.
Look this:
Bass Trap positioning

[drBill]

Originally Posted by nuendoness

hmm I see..

Well....maybe not. (see below)

Originally Posted by nuendoness

Well the monitors I'm using are pretty damn powerful..especially for my room.

Funny, but that's got nothing to do with it. I'd say at this point check out the search function on GS or do some google searches. Come back in a couple of days with the new questions that you'll inevitably have. Then you'll know a lot more and be able to ask the right questions and put the answers to good use. Good luck.

[drBill]

Originally Posted by nuendoness

budget wise its not really going to be a problem I just put $600 because I really don't know how much this will cost me but if it goes into the 4 digits its fine..

PS - I'm not trying to be rude, because one man's dream is another man's nightmare, and vice versa - but saying that 4 digits is "fine" made me laugh out loud. Hard. For quite a while. There's a reason that building a CRM costs about $500+ a SQUARE FOOT!! (Many pay much less, but that's not an out of line number for the buildout in a big city.) Now's the time for you to learn why before wasting even $600. Do it right the first time and you will never regret spending the money. Do it wrong, and you'll be pulling out your hair and then back asking us why your mixes don't sound good. There's a good reason that people spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on studios and CRM's.

Now, that said, there's a lot you can do for a lot less money, but 4 digits - unless it's $9,999 - is not going to get you too far. At least not towards a pro sounding room. But who knows, maybe all you want is some egg crates on the wall?!?! More info would be helpfull as to your expectations and useages.

PPS - you can tilt the walls vertically to the same affect and accomplish the same thing without loosing any floorspace. But you can't do that for anywhere near your budget. Also, re: sound "proofing", it takes a lot of mass and a lot of air to stop soundwaves - ie: a room inside a room with a floated floor, floated walls, decoupling materials, etc., etc.

[nuendoness]

Originally Posted by drBill

PS - I'm not trying to be rude, because one man's dream is another man's nightmare, and vice versa - but saying that 4 digits is "fine" made me laugh out loud. Hard. For quite a while. There's a reason that building a CRM costs about $500+ a SQUARE FOOT!! (Many pay much less, but that's not an out of line number for the buildout in a big city.) Now's the time for you to learn why before wasting even $600. Do it right the first time and you will never regret spending the money. Do it wrong, and you'll be pulling out your hair and then back asking us why your mixes don't sound good. There's a good reason that people spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on studios and CRM's.

Now, that said, there's a lot you can do for a lot less money, but 4 digits - unless it's $9,999 - is not going to get you too far. At least not towards a pro sounding room. But who knows, maybe all you want is some egg crates on the wall?!?! More info would be helpfull as to your expectations and useages.

PPS - you can tilt the walls vertically to the same affect and accomplish the same thing without loosing any floorspace. But you can't do that for anywhere near your budget. Also, re: sound "proofing", it takes a lot of mass and a lot of air to stop soundwaves - ie: a room inside a room with a floated floor, floated walls, decoupling materials, etc., etc.

alright bro heres the thing

I'm not trying to get a pro sounding room...
im just looking on how to make my room sound better.. im trying to get tips on where would be a good idea to place bass traps and how thick should the panels be and stuff like that

Im not looking for high end stuff just something that will get me by until we move into a bigger place.

when we move into a bigger place that when ill really start shelling out cash!

[nuendoness]

Originally Posted by No4PCs

Hey friend, bass traps in the corners and some panels in walls.
Look this:
Bass Trap positioning

hey thanks!!

[Todd24]

With a room that small ( not much smaller than mine), you dont want diffusion. Just trap everything and use a convolution reverb on whatever you record. None of the surfaces are far enough away to be of use.

One exception might be to have a hard surface under (or next to on one side) drums.

Also, turn the desk so the speakers go down the direction.

[drBill]

Originally Posted by nuendoness

alright bro heres the thing

I'm not trying to get a pro sounding room...
im just looking on how to make my room sound better.. im trying to get tips on where would be a good idea to place bass traps and how thick should the panels be and stuff like that

Im not looking for high end stuff just something that will get me by until we move into a bigger place.

when we move into a bigger place that when ill really start shelling out cash!

OK. Well more info is helpful. I go back to my previous suggestion - call auralex, fax them your drawing and budget and do what they tell you. That's probably your best and simplest bang for the buck.

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by nuendoness

im just looking on how to make my room sound better.. im trying to get tips on where would be a good idea to place bass traps and how thick should the panels be and stuff like that

See this:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

And this:

http://www.realtraps.com/placing_mt.htm

Im not looking for high end stuff just something that will get me by until we move into a bigger place.

There's no reason you can't get good treatment now and take it with you when you move.

--Ethan

[nuendoness]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

See this:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

And this:

http://www.realtraps.com/placing_mt.htm



There's no reason you can't get good treatment now and take it with you when you move.

--Ethan

were not moving for another year or maybe longer..

[darkwater]

Originally Posted by nuendoness

were not moving for another year or maybe longer..

The point is, when you DO move, you can easily take Ethan's very affordable, totally pro treatment system with you.

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by darkwater

The point is, when you DO move, you can easily take Ethan's very affordable, totally pro treatment system with you.

Thanks very much. And Yes, that's exactly my point. After all, very few people stay in the same place forever. Just as you can take your mixer and mike stands with you when you move, you can do the same with our acoustic treatment.

--Ethan

[Acoustic Cloud]

If you "call Auralex", 600 bones will get you close to nothing.... and absolutely "nothing" for lower freq help. You will have some pretty colors and designs that will help with highs, at Gucci prices.

[nuendoness]

Alright,

I think I'm going to go with Real Traps
I'm looking at the Standard Large Room Kit-$3,299.99

Now can you guys give tips on placement and proper setup?