003 is out!!!!

[moonpi]

Originally Posted by Jonboy79

You can use a ptle interface with just about any software you want. Mboxes are still supported as well. Again, do a little research before jumping on the bandwagon and talking about stuff you have no clue about.

Not necessarily. I have Nuendo 2.2 and a Digi002r. Recently, I reinstalled everything (XP Pro from scratch) in order to do the Service Pack 2 upgrade (which I installed before any other programs). Once that was done, Nuendo would not work through the Digi002r after the initial startup. Nobody could figure it out aside from it ultimately not being on Digi's priority list to ensure their device work properly with other manufacturers' software after subsequent significant OS upgrades. So, guess which software I am stuck using?

[MX582]

o god..what have i started


gearslutz.com is a crazy place lol


i say let digidesign do what ever they want...i got pro tools cus of the software..its extremly user friendly in my opinion and makes my job alot easier. Digidesign didnt even hype up the 003 either, gearslutz and other internet forums/rumors/what not did so you cant blame digi for that. sure the 003 isnt that impressive but digi never promised anything..and if i was upgrading from an mbox, id definatly go with a 003 so it works out for digi.

but i guess i can see why people are pissed about LE not becoming more powerfull...im sure it will someday but until then..

[Jonboy79]

Originally Posted by moonpi

Not necessarily. I have Nuendo 2.2 and a Digi002r. Recently, I reinstalled everything (XP Pro from scratch) in order to do the Service Pack 2 upgrade (which I installed before any other programs). Once that was done, Nuendo would not work through the Digi002r after the initial startup. Nobody could figure it out aside from it ultimately not being on Digi's priority list to ensure their device work properly with other manufacturers' software after subsequent significant OS upgrades. So, guess which software I am stuck using?

Download and use Reaper if you hate ptle that much. I think it's like 40 bucks and has an unlimited demo available to see if you like it. It's not a bad piece of software at all, I'm just really content with ptle and don't care to learn something else at this point.

[Jonboy79]

Originally Posted by MX582

but i guess i can see why people are pissed about LE not becoming more powerfull...im sure it will someday but until then..

Nope it won't. People are right Digi does put more into HD just like BMW puts more into it's 7 series. Digi isn't going to make ptle more powerful and BMW isn't dropping V12's into 3 series any time soon. I for one am of a similar mindset as you on this subject.

[moonpi]

Originally Posted by Jonboy79

Download and use Reaper if you hate ptle that much. I think it's like 40 bucks and has an unlimited demo available to see if you like it. It's not a bad piece of software at all, I'm just really content with ptle and don't care to learn something else at this point.

Thanks for the tip on Reaper. I might just check it out. I'm just frustrated by not being able to use some rather expensive software (Nuendo) that I own that was working previously with my Digi002r. I've gone through every conceivable solution including talking with Greg Ondo from Steinberg several times. No dice.

Actually, I like how PTLE works, for the most part and I own and love quite a few McDSP's plugins. I just wish that PTLE was more flexible, leaner on the CPU, and sounded better. Nuendo seems to accomplish this. Yeah, I know... I shouldn't whine about my "pro-sumer" program and interface not performing like it's company's pro system (HD).

Regardless, I'm certainly not going to assume that the Digi003(r) will solve the problem.

[Studiocat]

I find it funny how so many people are angry, and not a single one of them have actually heard or used the 003 yet.

When all the smoke clears, it's still going to be a better product than the 002. All the new users will benefit, and everyone else (myself included) has to just grin and bear the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad 002.

Practice your producing, not your whining and complaining. You wouldn't catch John and Paul sitting at home because abbey road couldn't record 24 tracks simultaneously.

Adam

[Marmaduke]

In the UK, realistically you're going to have to pay at least roughly £10,000 for an HD system, when a 003 rack is £900.

This means that HD is at least around 10 times the price of LE.

So when LE users complain that they haven't got features from HD... its a bit like buying a £80 shure beta 57a, and then complaining that its not a £800 royer r121...

[moonpi]

Originally Posted by Studiocat

I find it funny how so many people are angry, and not a single one of them have actually heard or used the 003 yet.

When all the smoke clears, it's still going to be a better product than the 002. All the new users will benefit, and everyone else (myself included) has to just grin and bear the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad 002.

Practice your producing, not your whining and complaining. You wouldn't catch John and Paul sitting at home because abbey road couldn't record 24 tracks simultaneously.

Adam

Oh, I agree with this. It will be a better interface than the Digi002. But, sound quality has always been something you could upgrade on the 002 and usually in upgraded upon with ANY interface that's used. The major annoyance is that I believe is being expressed by most is that there is not another ADAT I/O. People just want a little more freedom, and it's not like Digi is going to lose a wad of HD business because of something like that. There are plenty of other reasons to go HD rather than that.

I do a lot of live recording and due to the budget structure I have it would be fantastic for me to have a couple of Digimax units that can simultaneously feed ProTools through ADAT and also feed a mixer to mix the show or monitors from. I know it's not ideal, but you try finding (or funding) a three way splitter box (or even your own two way splitter to run ahead of their splitter) in a lot of club venues.

As far as John and Paul go, that was a different time and place. They were musicians who had no interest in being engineers and the engineers had no interest in being musicians (paraphrased from Geoff Emerick's book Here, There, & Everywhere). The style of 4 track and 8 track recording that was employed and developed then came about as the technology grew. It's somewhat mind-boggling to think back and consider a lot of the thought processes in the work-flow from our technological perspective rather than from being in the present with it at that time.

We are indeed a spoiled lot when we NEED 24 tracks. BUT, to be fair there was quite a lot of premixing (all the drum mics to one track) before the tracks were put down. In the modern day use of the DAW, most users don't have mixers before their DAW; it's one preamp per input into the system and if you're using an input, it might as well go to it's own track. It's not necessarily better... just more flexible. I'll admit that it has created a complacency and a laziness, but I think the software, various time/pitch correction plugins, and sexy-marketing are more to blame for that than anything else.

[moonpi]

Originally Posted by Marmaduke

In the UK, realistically you're going to have to pay at least roughly £10,000 for an HD system, when a 003 rack is £900.

This means that HD is at least around 10 times the price of LE.

So when LE users complain that they haven't got features from HD... its a bit like buying a £80 shure beta 57a, and then complaining that its not a £800 royer r121...

While it's a humorous appraisal of the situation, it's not an altogether fair appraisal.

LE users are frustrated because when they look at other native systems, they can choose whatever interface they want. Digidesign, instead, saddles us with a big 2RU "dongle" and intentionally builds in obsolescence and limits that are becoming more and more unreasonable as time goes on.

Many of us use LE because we DO have to go between our own LE systems and HD systems in studios that we use from time to time. Having a little more control over how we attain our sounds is not an unreasonable thing to ask for. It's not the same as comparing a Beta 57A and an R121, and it is certainly not us whining that the $1200 Dig003r doesn't give us TDM functionality. We just want some freedom over our I/O. If it costs a little more, then I am sure that those of us who need the I/O flexibility would be willing to pay the fair price for that flexibility.

I feel that as an end users who have a forum to make our voices heard, we are not just entitled to voice our opinions about what we need, but it is a necessity. I think that we all benefit from a situation where we can speak intelligently about our needs and the manufacturers (who should be reading these threads) have the opportunity to provide before we are forced to vote with our wallets.

Hopefully, Digidesign will provide. Otherwise, they will just lose LE users and/or current LE users will quit investing in their LE systems. This certainly wouldn't help great companies like McDSP or even Sony Oxford who make ProTools exclusive plugins (with the exception of the T.C. Powercore Oxford stuff).

[Marmaduke]

Moonpi - well said

It was just me having a giggle - I was just being flippant

[tdoranpalmer]

I'm going to buy one and use it as a rental. Which will include all the software you could ever want, and a Studio class Behringer Mic.

[moonpi]

Originally Posted by Marmaduke

Moonpi - well said

It was just me having a giggle - I was just being flippant

It's all good! I ain' be hatin' anyone nohow.

[Studiocat]

Originally Posted by moonpi

As far as John and Paul go, that was a different time and place. They were musicians who had no interest in being engineers and the engineers had no interest in being musicians (paraphrased from Geoff Emerick's book Here, There, & Everywhere). The style of 4 track and 8 track recording that was employed and developed then came about as the technology grew. It's somewhat mind-boggling to think back and consider a lot of the thought processes in the work-flow from our technological perspective rather than from being in the present with it at that time.

We are indeed a spoiled lot when we NEED 24 tracks. BUT, to be fair there was quite a lot of premixing (all the drum mics to one track) before the tracks were put down. In the modern day use of the DAW, most users don't have mixers before their DAW; it's one preamp per input into the system and if you're using an input, it might as well go to it's own track. It's not necessarily better... just more flexible. I'll admit that it has created a complacency and a laziness, but I think the software, various time/pitch correction plugins, and sexy-marketing are more to blame for that than anything else.

Moonpi, you're right.

Yes, it's bad enough that we can correct time and pitch. This allowance has produced some of the most uninteresting, uninspired music ever known to man.

The Beatles created beautiful art regardless of their technological restrictions. They improvised methods. They played together. They recorded drums in mono.
Restrict your art, and it too, will improve.

Start by using less microphones!

Adam

[TREMORS]

A few things I wanna toss in:
Oddly, I really like the fact that there are two headphone outs more than anything, perhaps stealing a bit from M-Audio's 1814 there.

I'm sticking with my 002r, though.
And, even though the 003 is essentially the same thing, I find it odd that Digi has no upgrade/hardware exchange for the 002 to 003.
001, mbox, mbox 2, even the Mbox mini that was just released, but not for 002 owners.
I guess this makes sense, as the 003 isnt really an upgrade as many have said.
Probably means the 002 and 003 will coexist together for awhile, as others have suggested on this thread.

-D

[jbski]

The 003 is a slap in the face to all loyal Pro Tools LE (especially 002) customers who were hoping for an upgrade to become more competitive against their ASIO counterparts.

I'm not trying to compare a beta 57a to an r121. In fact, I'm not even comparing LE to TDM. I'm comparing Digidesign's host-based LE system to its competitors' host-based systems.

Digidesign is showing no love for its current LE users who want a little more but can't yet afford a $12k HD1 leap.

I'm not asking for 96 voices.
I'm not asking for 192kHz sample rate.
I'm not asking for hardware-based processing.
I'm not even asking for a price-match ... I don't care if it costs me $2k extra.

All I want is to record 16 inputs at 96k and 24 inputs at 48k -- something apparently "last year" to companies like RME, MOTU and PreSonus.

QFT: 003 is out!!!!

Originally Posted by Jonboy79

So this whole time you've been sitting around with something that dosen't work for you in hopes that the same company will develope something that will work for you at roughly the same pricepoint? In your case it's time to smarten up and move on, me, I'm blissfully content to keep working the same way I have been for the past 3 plus years. When it comes time to really need an upgrade then I'll move on to HD.

Yes and no. I can't say the 002 doesn't work, because it's handled a great many jobs over the years. But, it's time for me to tackle different markets so I can afford that HD Accel system.

However, Digidesign offers no solution for anybody somewhere between ProTools LE and HD1 Accel.

As an aside, I was wholly expecting M-Powered Pro Tools to be come the low end, 16 i/o-48k system and for LE to become the medium-duty 32 i/o-96k system. But, I guess that was just false hope on my part.

These are quickly growing markets I just can't tackle with my 16 i/o, 48k system:

• If I could record more than 16 inputs at a time, I could start doing larger live recordings.
  
  It's one thing to record a band's gig when they're playing a 100-seater club through a Yamaha MG16. But when you go to a venue hosting 1k peeps and using an A&H GL2800 or a 40-channel Soundcraft Series TWO, you're pretty much hosed if you can't record 24+ inputs.
  
  Don't get me wrong ... it can be done sometimes, but re-plugging half the stage's connections between sets never goes over well with the House Engineer.
  
  
• If could record more than 8 simultaneous i/o at 88.2 & 96 kHz, I could pull in more tracking gigs headed to a larger studio. Guitar, vocals, keys, etc are ezMode to track at 96k, but forget about doing drums at 96kHz.
  
  Don't get me wrong ... I can do it, but up-sampling the drum tracks to match all the other 96k tracks doesn't go over well with nearly anybody -- and it makes me look bad.
  
  
• This is something I didn't even touch on in my original wall of text.
  
  

  Originally Posted by moonpi

  I do a lot of live recording and due to the budget structure I have it would be fantastic for me to have a couple of Digimax units that can simultaneously feed ProTools through ADAT and also feed a mixer to mix the show or monitors from. I know it's not ideal, but you try finding (or funding) a three way splitter box (or even your own two way splitter to run ahead of their splitter) in a lot of club venues.

  Pro Tools LE & the 003 offer nothing in the way of "features" compared to even lower-priced competitors' interface solutions.
  
  Like moonpi mentioned, I can use the FireStudio and 2 DigiMax FS's to double as a mic-splitter. Ignoring the fact that this lets me use 24 studio preamps for a live show, I just eliminated an entire rack of gear from my mobile rig.

So there it is ... Digidesign just helped PreSonus sell $2k worth of gear to me.

[chrisp2u]

Did no one in this thread read the post way back at #54 which quotes the Digi Product Marketing Director (as posted from the DUC)?

We don’t mean to limit anyone’s options, and clearly the 003 family is not intended to serve that “step-up” purpose – it’s for new users. We understand the desire, though: we are hard at work on products which will allow people to move beyond today’s LE family (whaaaat! like I said, I can’t talk about that stuff!)

Sounds to me like there's definitely something in the pipe for the 002 owners that are looking to upgrade but not to HD, so chill. Hey, you never know... they may actually be listening. They certainly have the right to refresh their product line as many companies often do... and there is the issue of ROHS compliance which I believe was previously mentioned.
---
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[DISCERN]

Originally Posted by jbski

The 003 is a slap in the face to all loyal Pro Tools LE (especially 002) customers who were hoping for an upgrade to become more competitive against their ASIO counterparts.

I'm not trying to compare a beta 57a to an r121. In fact, I'm not even comparing LE to TDM. I'm comparing Digidesign's host-based LE system to its competitors' host-based systems.

There is only a slap in the face because you LE users hyped it like no other then were presented with an abrupt reality check. Now you are all bitching and moaning because you think you've been wronged in some way. You haven't. To use your analogy, you have all knowingly purchased a Beta 57a then some years later all throw your arms up because the manufacturer hasn't suddenly pushed it towards being an r121.

I am utterly gobsmacked by LE users in threads like these... So niave and blissfully unaware of how ridiculous some of these complaints and moaning sessions are. Particular you jbski, some of the shit you are rattling off is obsurd... and all because you have only just coined onto the fact that perhaps you have purchased a prosumer product aimed at the lower end of the market which is strongly based on the bright lights of "Protools" marketing. I say congradulations Digidesign! Your marketing is spot on! There is a sucker born ever minute, and they seem to be the majority of LE users on Gearslutz.

[jbski]

I'm extremely upset, and I know it shows in my posts. But you would be too if you were passing up jobs because of ProTools LE's limitations.

You're right on me hyping the 003 and expecting too much, though. Seeing the "upgrades" Digidesign made to the MBox, I guess I should've expected it in the 002.

Originally Posted by DISCERN

There is only a slap in the face because you LE users hyped it like no other then were presented with an abrupt reality check. Now you are all bitching and moaning because you think you've been wronged in some way. You haven't. To use your analogy, you have all knowingly purchased a Beta 57a then some years later all throw your arms up because the manufacturer hasn't suddenly pushed it towards being an r121.

I am utterly gobsmacked by LE users in threads like these... So niave and blissfully unaware of how ridiculous some of these complaints and moaning sessions are. Particular you jbski, some of the shit you are rattling off is obsurd... and all because you have only just coined onto the fact that perhaps you have purchased a prosumer product aimed at the lower end of the market which is strongly based on the bright lights of "Protools" marketing. I say congradulations Digidesign! Your marketing is spot on! There is a sucker born ever minute, and they seem to be the majority of LE users on Gearslutz.

I never expected my beta 57a to become an r121. However, I wholly expected Digidesign to increase their product line to include an r121 -- especially over the FOUR years the 002 has been on the market.

I bought my 002 just over 2 years ago when 16 i/o and 48k were not only standard in the host-based market but exactly what I wanted & needed.

I didn't just buy Digi's "bright lights". I test drove available Nuendo and Logic rigs extensively before deciding I flat out loved Pro Tools' GUI and work flow -- not to mention I needed the ability to start sessions at home to bring into the studio later.

And, I don't think it's naive to expect a company to grow with technology or support the expansion needs of their customer base without asking them to sell their kidneys for the cash.

Seriously ... how many YEARS has the 002 been out? And in those years what has Digidesign done to raise the bar on their LE systems? Nothing as far as I can tell. And, what have they been developing and planning for us? Nothing as far as I can tell.

To compare them, once again, with one of their competitors, I'll tell you how PreSonus managed to gain so much ground in the prosumer market while keeping their customers:

• PreSonus released the FirePod a few years ago and shortly thereafter released drivers supporting 24 i/o across 3 daisy-chained FirePods.
• PreSonus just released the FireStudio and have drivers down the pipe somewhere to chain 2 of those for 48 i/o at 48k or 32 i/o at 96k.

If Digidesign doesn't come out with or give us notice of some product that'll increase our i/o to 24 and sample rate to 96k, I'm going to be taking my money over to a company that's been supporting it for years.

And that makes me sad and angry.

[Duardo]

The 003 is a slap in the face to all loyal Pro Tools LE (especially 002) customers who were hoping for an upgrade to become more competitive against their ASIO counterparts.

I can understand why it would be considered a disappointment, but seriously, a slap in the face? It's simply not what you were hoping for. They've improved upon the 002 but it's really more of a sidegrade than an upgrade, by design.

If I could record more than 16 inputs at a time, I could start doing larger live recordings.

You can record more than sixteen inputs at a time. If your'e really thinking you'll be doing a lot of live recordings and are willing to spend more money on a more "advanced" version of Pro Tools LE why not spend that money on, say, an Alesis HD24XR? It sounds good, will record 24 tracks, and if you're just worried about live recordings it's certainly easier to haul to concerts than any computer system, and it integrates easily with your LE system which, it seem at least, that you are otherwise happy with. Or rack up a few Firepods and drag the .WAV files into Pro Tools.

I'm extremely upset, and I know it shows in my posts. But you would be too if you were passing up jobs because of ProTools LE's limitations.

If you're really passing up that may jobs, I'm sure you can find a way around those limitations...the examples I mentioned above, or even maybe a small HD system? If you've got the work to justify it, and your clients are demanding Pro Tools, certainly that would be even more of a draw?

Seeing the "upgrades" Digidesign made to the MBox, I guess I should've expected it in the 002.

If you think back, first came the MBox2, which in terms of an upgrade was fairly similar to the 002-003 upgrade. Then came the MBox2Pro. They've said that there's more coming. Who knows, maybe it will be a similar progression.

And, what have they been developing and planning for us? Nothing as far as I can tell.

No, they've told us something is coming, they just won't tell us what.

Don't get me wrong, I was disappointed myself...I was hoping for something more, and have been considering picking up an HD24 for live recordings but would have considered a 003 if it had a little more to offer...but it's not the end of the world...

-Duardo

[DISCERN]

Originally Posted by jbski

I never expected my beta 57a to become an r121. However, I wholly expected Digidesign to increase their product line to include an r121 -- especially over the FOUR years the 002 has been on the market.

So because you have outgrown Protools LE, Digidesign should release something that you need at the drop of a dime? A professional solution already exists,why does is suddenly become digidesign's problem or "neglect" because users like yourself don't want to pay for it?

I bought my 002 just over 2 years ago when 16 i/o and 48k were not only standard in the host-based market but exactly what I wanted & needed.

I didn't just buy Digi's "bright lights". I test drove available Nuendo and Logic rigs extensively before deciding I flat out loved Pro Tools' GUI and work flow -- not to mention I needed the ability to start sessions at home to bring into the studio later.

Why the perpetual whinging then? It still does exactly that.

And, I don't think it's naive to expect a company to grow with technology or support the expansion needs of their customer base without asking them to sell their kidneys for the cash.

Digidesign has grown with technology. In fact, for quite a while there they were at the forfront of technology with many other companies trying to mimic them. Other companies such as Fairlight, Euphonix, Soundscape, Sadie and Genex have survived purely on selling high end systems that are not only more expensive then LE, but also HD in some cases. This isn't a case of digidesign wronging you, this is a case of you wanting everything for next to nothing. Furthermore, what is LE's consumer base? I can tell you right now, it far exceeds the LE users of this forum and forums like it... in fact, the vast majority of LE users probably don't even know what Automatic delay compensation is.

Seriously ... how many YEARS has the 002 been out? And in those years what has Digidesign done to raise the bar on their LE systems? Nothing as far as I can tell. And, what have they been developing and planning for us? Nothing as far as I can tell.

They have protools HD. To consider that nothing is f*cking ridiculous. The fact that you don't want to spend the coin on it is not Digidesign's fault nor problem. In the years that the 002 (or even LE) have been out, how many times have Digidesign alluded to it being anymore than a Protools Light Edition aimed at giving home studios and hobby recordists a taste of a full blown professional system? Never. Yet here you are complaining that you have been left behind because LE suddenly hasn't become a full blown professional solution. That is nothing but niave.

To compare them, once again, with one of their competitors, I'll tell you how PreSonus managed to gain so much ground in the prosumer market while keeping their customers:

• PreSonus released the FirePod a few years ago and shortly thereafter released drivers supporting 24 i/o across 3 daisy-chained FirePods.
• PreSonus just released the FireStudio and have drivers down the pipe somewhere to chain 2 of those for 48 i/o at 48k or 32 i/o at 96k.

If Digidesign doesn't come out with or give us notice of some product that'll increase our i/o to 24 and sample rate to 96k, I'm going to be taking my money over to a company that's been supporting it for years.

I really don't think Digidesign care where you take your money. They've already taken a wod full of it anyway... and there are plenty of young and niave comsumers, just like yourself a few years ago who will walk into guitar center and walk out with a 003 under their arm. Just in case you didn't notice, digidesign has a product that does 24 channels of I/O and 96khz sample rates... it does even more in fact!

And that makes me sad and angry.

I feel the same way about silly LE users.

[moonpi]

Originally Posted by DISCERN

So because you have outgrown Protools LE, Digidesign should release something that you need at the drop of a dime? A professional solution already exists,why does is suddenly become digidesign's problem or "neglect" because users like yourself don't want to pay for it?



Why the perpetual whinging then? It still does exactly that.



Digidesign has grown with technology. In fact, for quite a while there they were at the forfront of technology with many other companies trying to mimic them. Other companies such as Fairlight, Euphonix, Soundscape, Sadie and Genex have survived purely on selling high end systems that are not only more expensive then LE, but also HD in some cases. This isn't a case of digidesign wronging you, this is a case of you wanting everything for next to nothing. Furthermore, what is LE's consumer base? I can tell you right now, it far exceeds the LE users of this forum and forums like it... in fact, the vast majority of LE users probably don't even know what Automatic delay compensation is.



They have protools HD. To consider that nothing is f*cking ridiculous. The fact that you don't want to spend the coin on it is not Digidesign's fault nor problem. In the years that the 002 (or even LE) have been out, how many times have Digidesign alluded to it being anymore than a Protools Light Edition aimed at giving home studios and hobby recordists a taste of a full blown professional system? Never. Yet here you are complaining that you have been left behind because LE suddenly hasn't become a full blown professional solution. That is nothing but niave.



I really don't think Digidesign care where you take your money. They've already taken a wod full of it anyway... and there are plenty of young and niave comsumers, just like yourself a few years ago who will walk into guitar center and walk out with a 003 under their arm. Just in case you didn't notice, digidesign has a product that does 24 channels of I/O and 96khz sample rates... it does even more in fact!



I feel the same way about silly LE users.

If you are are going to be abusive to those you choose to look down upon, at least learn how to SPELL and use PROPER GRAMMAR when being an ass . With proper grammar and spelling your unbridled intolerance may at least take on an air of smugness rather than just being downright rude and uncalled for.

Frankly, after this, I am done with this thread. I'm not bowing out in defeat, but getting out of a discussion that has obviously started attracting the attention of uneducated, yet somehow, elitist jerks who don't wish to reason and develop a professional consensus.

These forums are not designed for us to start tearing each other down, but for us to share and communicate techniques, solutions, and ideas, thus making our community stronger. It really makes me angry when I have to scold the children.

[jbski]

If you're really passing up that may jobs, I'm sure you can find a way around those limitations...the examples I mentioned above, or even maybe a small HD system? If you've got the work to justify it, and your clients are demanding Pro Tools, certainly that would be even more of a draw?

The smallest HD system capable of 24 input (HD1 Core & 2 96i/o) costs $12k. I don't turn down enough jobs to merit quite that much money .. I can justify about $4k but that's about it right now.

Originally Posted by DISCERN

So because you have outgrown Protools LE, Digidesign should release something that you need at the drop of a dime?

The 002 has been out for 4 years ... that's hardly the drop of a dime.

This isn't a case of digidesign wronging you, this is a case of you wanting everything for next to nothing. Furthermore, what is LE's consumer base? I can tell you right now, it far exceeds the LE users of this forum and forums like it... in fact, the vast majority of LE users probably don't even know what Automatic delay compensation is.

I never said I want it for next-to-nothing. In fact, I've already said twice I'm willing to pay for it. This isn't the case of not wanting to spend the money ... this is a case of physically not being able to.

They have protools HD. To consider that nothing is f*cking ridiculous. The fact that you don't want to spend the coin on it is not Digidesign's fault nor problem.

Again, I don't have $12k laying around to put me in the most basic of HD systems, though that is what I'm working towards.

Yet here you are complaining that you have been left behind because LE suddenly hasn't become a full blown professional solution.

I never expected LE to become a full-blown professional solution, but I have expected them to do more than sidegrade their host-based products.

I really don't think Digidesign care where you take your money. They've already taken a wod full of it anyway...

Sadly, I agree.

That is nothing but niave. ... and there are plenty of young and niave comsumers, just like yourself a few years ago who will walk into guitar center and walk out with a 003 under their arm.

There is nothing naive about preferring a particular DAW software platform enough to purchase its corresponding hardware to use it.

There is also nothing naive about wanting the ability to start sessions at home and finish them off in the studio w/o losing edits, FX, etc.

Just in case you didn't notice, digidesign has a product that does 24 channels of I/O and 96khz sample rates... it does even more in fact!

/sigh

I still don't have $12k.

EDIT: Oh, and in case you missed it the last two times, I'm talking about the host-based market -- NOT the hardware based market.

I feel the same way about silly LE users.

There is, however, something to be said about the naivety of someone basing their superiority on his ability to fall into another company's marketing instead of that of Digidesign.

[DISCERN]

Originally