Behringer Truth Monitors

[soundbarnfool]

I like 'em. Much better than the old NS-10s. What do you guys think?

[thisisntglen]

Originally Posted by soundbarnfool

I like 'em. Much better than the old NS-10s. What do you guys think?

I think you're trying to get a rise out of people

[Dan]

That name is not to be mentioned in this forum.

[LoopQuantum]

Valid question, but perhaps low end theory?

I'm personally not a fan, but to each his own, and much respect.

[soundbarnfool]

i know they're cheap... sorry to offend... how about JBL4311's?

[tamasdragon]

I don't like the behs' , because I got some mix which are made on them, every mix had to be remixed. Of course it can also be talent thing.
Never heard them personally.
Tamas Dragon

[soundbarnfool]

I don't use 'em for critical mixing, but for tracking in my rustic 8 track one inch set up. Also: did Jimmy Durante ever record "Rain Drops Keep Fallin' On My Head" or did I make that up? If he didn't, he should have!

[Whitecat]

I think there should be a seperate b*hringer forum. lower-than-low-end theory.

anyway, I A/B'd them against some monitor ones last year after reading some stuff here and elsewhere that they fall into the category of 'not terrible.' I preferred the alesis in that price range, but then I decided to save my money for a bit longer and get some better boxes. I ended up with tannoy system 600a [got 'em cheap too!] and also a pair of genelec 8020s.

[Chrisc_o]

They work great for me. My mixes translate pretty darn good.

[gerryg]

"I think there should be a seperate b*hringer forum. lower-than-low-end theory."

Isn't that an insult to the rest of the lower-than-low-end guys?

cheers,

gerry

[liquidorange]

i have a pair in my b studio and work very well they do. they sit alongside the ns-10s. dont worry about the b word.

[xmostynx]

honestly...all their other stuff is really garbage-
eq-
boards-
anything behhh..

yea but the truth monitors- they made them pretty nice...

[audiovisceral]

I am so sick of all the B hate. It's like people don't even care about the performance of the products, just the brand name and process by which it was developed.

I have some Truths (the smaller ones). They're not perfect. It's true they have a harsh high end and can be fatiguing. But they were more realistic than the KRK's I tried at the same price, at least to me. My brother who was with me at the time of purchase agreed it was a clear choice.

[matucha]

I have a friend that does d'n'b and his stuff is far from bad both sonicaly and musicaly. He has B truth. He has them for a long time and hate them... but the results are nice, so...

Today there is a lot of possibilities in the low end for the same price... like yamaha HS or krk RP... all of it is much better then B.

[xmostynx]

i own a pair of the Yamaha HS-50's and i think they are awesome.

i could use a pair of 8's..but the 5's right now, if you put them in a good room, you get good results.

your room matters alot when your decide monitors..
my room at home has killer 60 and 120 problems i'm trying to fix..
my HS-50's sound soooo thin here
at school in the studio, they sound very well next to the pair of genelecs (of course using the gen. sub on both sets)

but when it comes down to it, the genelecs are just in a different class..

[Kiwiburger]

Here is my experience with the Behringer Truths:

I bought a pair a few years ago, because my studio was new and I needed everything all at once, and I was short of cash.

The first "matched pair" had a nasty rattle in one speaker. I suppose I could have opened it up and tried glue and reinforcing, but they were new so I returned them. The replacement pair also had one rattley speaker. I put this down to the cheap chipboard construction.

I convinced the shop to give me the two good one. The "matched pair" graphs are probably bogus anyway.

They have served me fairly well for some demos and I even got some extensive airtime with a radio jingle I sold.

But - i've been improving my studio, and it got to a point where they were the weakest part of the chain. In particular - I hate hiss and hum, and acoustic transformer buzz. My power is fairly corrupt - I need to get some pure sinewave UPS - but at times during the day, torroidal transformers buzz like a vibrator. This I do not need right in my face, which is where active speakers are.

I've bought some Dynaudio Acoustic BM15's (passive) which I run with a Linn amp, and there is no hiss, no hum, and only a little transformer buzz from the amp - which I can mount far, far away.

I'm still getting used to the BM15's; they are clearly good - extra highs and low. That tends to give a sensation that the mid's are missing - but I don't think that is really the case.

In all fairness - when A/B'ing them, the Behringers sound fairly sweet. And I always considered them fairly clinical and 'exposing' - rather than 'flattering'.

I think the basic cabinet design and drivers of the Truths are very good. Materials and construction - crap (what do you expect). And the amp is cheap and noisy - something not uncommon with active speakers. When you consider what a good amp really costs, this should not be surprising.

So to be fair, you can do a lot worse than the Truths, IF you get some good ones.

Have a think about passive speakers and a quality amp. I've heard too many complaints about actives - the theory is good, but the practice maybe not so good.

[Bosskitty]

The best speakers in the world & the ones you know best!!!
I think im quotin Joel here, but he's dead right.

[matucha]

Well to me Truths (the big ones) sounded weird, nasal, totaly desintegrated... like they can't pull pure audio, it was like it went through behringer ;-), flat (like not 3d, not even 2d), distorted, with no midrange to talk about and poisonous HF... leaving the spaciousness and imaging just to your imagination. You couldn't distinguish tones and textures, dynamics was a one big laugh... I mean it is really bad description for the studio monitor, isn't it.

The yamaha HS50M has its problems too, but it gives you intensive and far from bad mids and that's a good start. The highbass is exagerated and lowbass is missing (which is not a totaly suprising for a 6" speaker). HF is ugly imo and there is no reason for that, because KRK has HF ok for the same price. HF of yamaha is grainy with sand-like texture to it that is very very ugly when you've got something bright... esp. hihats are really really funy sounding then. But there are things that sound ok too so here you go, this could be a rough guide for getting the HF "right". Good secondary speaker in my world.

BM15? It was total disapointment for me. They are of course much better than both previous speakers (yammies and B), but they indeed doesn't put much in the midrange for the start. My biggest complaint about them is they just are don't give you any dynamics, sounded very compressed even with very snappy material.

[Ravian]

wen i started mixing i had the alesis m1's ,man i realy dont know how i mixed on them.
i switched 2 the ns-10 /w krk sub.
and genelecs .
man the alesis has no mid. its a monitor that just sounds nice on everything.
so you dont know what you are doing.

a friend of mine has the big B's .
sometimes
he makes the basis of a production and i make the last tweaks and mixit.
man the B's are'nt translating at all. they sound tiny and hars.

[androne]

What are then better options to consider ?

[Ravian]

Originally Posted by androne

What are then better options to consider ?

maybe in tht price range the samson resolv and than add a sub 2 your setup

[Mr.Johnny]

How about Adam A7 monitors instead?

[soundbarnfool]

Key to me is the concept of mixing or listening on something that is NOT flattering. And I am talking about the active Truth monitors here. I must have gotten a good pair. I find I can listen to them at a moderate level and hear quite well. It's all subjective, of course...

[camerondye]

I bought the Truths as my first set of monitors and now have the Dynaudio BM5's. The Behringer, IMO, sound awful next to the Dynaudios and my mixes are better now. I keep them as backup monitors just to get another view when I need. I can switch between the BM5's, the Truths, and my $100 Bose computer speakers and truthfully I like those better than the Truths. In my opinion, instead of spending $300 on the Truths, buy a pair of Beyerdynamic DT770's for $200. They are as good as a mix can sound in headphones and will be way better than the Behringers. Then when you can afford a better pair of monitors...jump on them.
Cameron

[firby]

I have about 550 in a set of JBL 4311's and I think they trounce the crap out of alot of the cheaper stuff. Plus the low end on them is dependable and you can listen to them for days without getting fatigued. Just make sure the tweeters are ok. The tweeters are the key to those speakers.

They are slow and flattering but the mixes translate.

[taturana]

Originally Posted by Fman

There are more reasons than solely price to buy something although it is always an object in a purchase in low end gear. The reputation of a company is important, and I just think that Behringer is pretty hard to defend.

The only defense I can think of is "to each his own," but I'd say before anybody continues to complain about people knocking their monitors, they may imagine for a moment that these people probably use high-end gear, didn't always use high-end gear, and have an objective opinion to offer that isn't solely biased by the "race to zero" pricing that really hurts quality in our industry. That, and duplicity. There are plenty of instances in which other companies have endured sales losses because a product can be cut for much less $$ if you neglect certain crucial components. Look beyond the chassis of the gear that costs 40% more, and you will see that quality becomes rather important. That, and the fact that the progenitor who has the patent for their item probably has a better idea of how to produce it...

It isn't just bias against Behr that is being posted in most cases; I think rather it is a consistent issue of lacking reliability and infringement on other patents.

Anyway, blah. There are other things for the same $ value. I am in earnest that I'm not trying to be negative. In the end, to each his own!

that's some "behringer truth" right there

[xmostynx]

your monitors really sound what your room sounds like-

try running a sweep measurement- and have it increase by 1hz at a time..
its amazing how you can hear problem freqs in your room..

i have a huge problem with 60 and 120-
and when i sweep across them it sounds like someone quickly turned down the master and turned it back up..

i'd say treat your rooms- thats what i'm in the process of right now- and its making a whole world of difference in my overall response from my monitors.

[gerryg]

[QUOTE=audiovisceral;1106465]I am so sick of all the B hate. It's like people don't even care about the performance of the products, just the brand name and process by which it was developed.


The "B" hate is because the "B" company has ripped off several manufacturers, (some who are personal friends of mine.) One example is Tech 21 amps... or Aphex who took the "B" guy to court and won.... how about looking at it this way...

What if the "B" came to your studio while you were mixing a project, hung out for awhile, and then the next week he puts out a record that sounds just like your record (but cheesier), would you be upset? Think about it.....

cheers,

gerry

[joelpatterson]

Originally Posted by soundbarnfool

.... did Jimmy Durante ever record "Rain Drops Keep Fallin' On My Head" or did I make that up? If he didn't, he should have!

He still could! I mean, what with modern technology and all....

[soundbarnfool]

Originally Posted by joelpatterson

He still could! I mean, what with modern technology and all....

Let's do it!