Recording Drums

[capkutay]

So my projected method is using 2 dynamics over the 2 BA Heads, then a akg c1000 for the high hat, a special bass drum recording audix, but what should i use for the snare drum? i have some more mics at my disposal, so what should i do (dynamic/large diaphragm condenser/small diaphragm condenser?).

THENNNN, i plug each of the mics into my powered mixer, then plug that all into my tube pre amp, then into the interface. Someone say where i'm going wrong, and what else i need to do.

[ljmax]

Try this approach. http://sfrecording.com/videos/DrumRecording.mp4 Good luck.

[Phrygian]

Why not try the c1000 on the snare? I doubt you'd need to mic the hats. I used to mic hats back in the day but can't be bothered now.

[Bassace]

c1000 on the snare "shudders" use a 57 on the sanre borrow one if you dont have one
you can use the c1000 on the talkback :-)

[donsolo]

I'm curious what other mics you have...

Usually you use Condensors for overheads.

[Bassace]

sorry back to the thread... what other mics do you have ...good point donsolo

[capkutay]

nice thanks, but is plugging each mic into my powered mixer, then into a ART MPA pre amp...then into my firewire interface a good idea? im just wondering if the powered mixer will hurt the sound quality.

[Bassace]

i t depends where you plug it in obviously if you use the speaker outs it will do serious damage....you have to use the mic pre on its own and go line out from that to the daw
so.... if you need more inputs from the powered mixer then take those from where poss the direct out of the mixer and /or pre mix to the daw...you do not go from the output of the pre in the mic input of the power mixer read google or ask mic /line impedences etc

[capkutay]

has 8 mic/line inputs that all have their own eq and stuff. so i would just plug each microphone into their own mic input, then line out the whole mixer into the tube pre amp, then into the interface. hwo would that work out?

[Bassace]

ok man
why would you want to go from a gain stage to a gain stage????
IE one mic pre to another ??
if your mixer has line outs then use those to feed the daw.....do not go into another pre with the line outs awwww

[nerogtr]

Originally Posted by Bassace

i t depends where you plug it in obviously if you use the speaker outs it will do serious damage

I know someone who did exactly this, he was pretty embarrassed when I explained how very very very wrong he was haha.

[donsolo]

still never answered my question about the mics

my $.02 on the matter

Try to get at least the kick and snare on separate tracks in the daw if you can spare the inputs.

you'll probably want to do separate dynamic processing on them later if you can.

[donsolo]

Originally Posted by ljmax

Try this approach. http://sfrecording.com/videos/DrumRecording.mp4 Good luck.

this method is OK but your stereo field is going to be somewhat skewed with this method.

Nothing beats a triangle setup (at bare minimum)

at least with paired overheads, you can pan them hard.

[Screwdio]

I'd have to agree-- get a slammin snare and kick along with some overheads.....

[donsolo]

yea now that I'm looking at the original post again, it seems all kinda backwards.

you don't really need a separate HH mic...and dynamics as overheads while they can work is kinda counter-intuitive.

[Spy!]

Greetings capkutay,

I'm a little confused about what you propose so can I ask you some questions?

1. Do you have any budget/plans to purchase any more gear? If yes, how much do have/intend to spend? What, if any, gear do you have in mind?

2. What audio interface are you using? How many and what type of inputs does it have? If you've only got two analogue inputs, is there a way to expand without replacing your current unit (e.g. S/PDIF)?

3. Do you want to feed your desk into your tube pre because "it's a tube pre"? Have you tried recording samples of the same source (and mic) through the desk direct to your interface and again (or simultaneously, if you have a decent quality mic splitter) through your pre to see (hear) what the difference(s) are? If yes, does one sound 'better' than the other or are they just 'different' from one another?

Basically, what I'm getting at is why you want (or need) to go from one source of pres (and noise) to another pre (and more noise) to your interface instead of cutting out the middleman?

I'm not trying to be harsh or aggressive so if you take it that way, I apologize in advance. When I first started asking questions on boards like this I really didn't realize the importance of including as much relevant information as possible in my query, but after a while I understood how much easier it made my questions to answer with information specific to my problem rather than a random array of "IMO".

Having said that (and going on what I can glean from what you have posted), if your tube pre is a stereo unit and your interface can accept up to four inputs compatible with the outputs of the pre and desk, and the pre gives you the sound you're after, you could try recording stereo overheads through your pre and the kick and snare mics through your desk. However, this might not be an option depending on the kit you have hence the long list of questions above.

[uncle duncan]

Get an interface with at least 8 inputs - meaning 8 individual channels of audio going to 8 tracks of your DAW. Anything less and you're rolling the dice. (Okay, I suppose 4 channels would be do-able, but what if you want to record bass and guitar at the same time? Most music sounds better with, at least, the rhythm section all playing together.) You've got a credit card, right? Are you a gearslut, or just a gearslut wannabe?

[jdier]

Originally Posted by Bassace

c1000 on the snare "shudders" use a 57 on the sanre borrow one if you dont have one
you can use the c1000 on the talkback :-)

+1

57 on snare, c1000 for nothing. No need to mic the hats.