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Vocal mic for drummer?

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a live vocal mic for use with a drummer and am after some recommendations. I would like something that picks up as little of the drums as possible.

At the moment I'm using a Shure SM57. This mic is pretty good at not picking up the drums but I find it can sound pretty dull!

I would like something that is brighter with more presence than the SM57 and with even better rejection of the drums if possible!??

What would you recommend?
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I tried a bunch of options as I recall over the years. Always came back to the 57 for singing behind the kit. I always added the foam wind screen they make for it to tame plosives and just eq'd a little air into it. Sometimes it doesn't pay to re-invent the wheel....LOL
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beta 57 or beta 58 are good choices for this, the latter being slightly brighter sounding, the former slightly smoother. Neither very expensive, and both durable. Both have good rejection. I prefer beta 57, but both good for singing drummers.
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The RE510 super-cardiod mic is a solid choice if you have P48 available.

If you need a dynamic, A-T has the ATM610a and the AE6100 which are both hypercardioid and not dull.

The issue you may get with less dull mics is cybal bleed. Keep a light hand on the compressor and use a fairly high gate setting to reduce this.




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Give them something hypercardioid and trashy, because it will be mostly drum bleed and a few quiet background vocals. Drummers tend to have bad mic technique
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Yeah, i've always gotten good results with a 57 or 58.

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The problem with any type of microphone is that irrespective of polar pattern, the drummer is going to position it where it suits him/her.

As well as bleed, I find that sometimes phase problems can have a negative (as in take away rather than bad) impact on the other drum mics.
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Shure beta 56 & an optigate.
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Shure beta 56 & an optigate.

Yes and no..
Optogates are very handy, because no bleed when drummer isn't using the mic,
But when it opens you get so much bleed, your complete drumsound changes when drummer sings..

Depends on the situation ofcourse,
But i tend to integrate the vocal mic in the drumsound..
It's there anyways, so i soundcheck the vocal before the drumkit and leave it on while soundchecking the drums..
That way it'll never surprise you or unwillingly change your sound..

Look at it as a room-mic..
And if you shape it well, it can give your drums some 3D..
Like a natural reverb..

So it's completely situation dependable.

If you can't avoid the bleed, at least make sure it sounds nice..
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Addition:
This only counts for backingvocals..
Leadvocals behind drums is a different story.

There i would suggest a high quality hypercardiod headset so you have consequent mouth-mic distance!
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Beta56 for drum vocals. Great for positioning and rejection.
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Yes, a '56 works well....I've also had great success with a 604 on the end of a gooseneck
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I've seen a lot of people use Beta 56s for drum vox.
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Beta56 for drum vocals. Great for positioning and rejection.
Definitely another good call.
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There i would suggest a high quality hypercardiod headset so you have consequent mouth-mic distance!
the Crown CM311 has been the top choice for singing drummers for years....best isolation
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Put a 58 grill on a beta 56A... You now have a Beta 58A that won't fall off the stand.

I've seen an e904 used by a Sennheiser endorsed artist, worked quite well.

Putting a gooseneck on the end of the gallows arm let's you get the stand right out of the Dummers way.
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Have taken a look at optogate? Model PB-05
I see those quite often nowadays and they work really well..
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Never seen those optogates before. Very cool idea!

Not so keen on the visual aspect of it though. but if it could be incorporated into the body of the mic, with the sensor in the head basket.....

Or at least they could make it cylindrical to blend in with the mic a bit more, then it wouldn't look any stranger than a handheld radio mic
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+1 for the Crown 311. If the drummer doesn't like the head gear, the Crown CM310a is a great choice. Handheld mic with excellent isolation. Hard to find though...
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i used a BETA 87A recently, great sound, great rejection.
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the Crown CM311 has been the top choice for singing drummers for years....best isolation
We have a winner! No more phone calls!

Crown differoid mics (CM310 handheld and CM311 headset) work differently than almost anything else. With the handheld if you get about 3" away from the grille you get virtually nothing ... so they are a bitch to use. But they do a better job of keeping the drums out than anything but a differential pair.

CM310''s have been discontinued for a few years but the headset is still going strong.
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beta 57 or beta 58 are good choices for this, the latter being slightly brighter sounding, the former slightly smoother. Neither very expensive, and both durable. Both have good rejection. I prefer beta 57, but both good for singing drummers.
+1 on the beta 57.
Our drummer uses one, and he likes to smack the kit. The beta has good rejection and a tight, smooth tone. Works well for a decent price.
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+1 on the beta 57.
Our drummer uses one, and he likes to smack the kit. The beta has good rejection and a tight, smooth tone. Works well for a decent price.
Yep, and it is the same capsule as the b56, for those who like that mic. I actually prefer the more traditional and "user friendly" shape of the medium sized b57 over the odd looking b56 or the "way too common" look of the b58, but that's just personal taste. YMMV. b57 a great choice for inexpensive, good quality drum vocal mic, IMHO.
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CM311 works well. I used one for years as a guitar player and positioned it slightly below my bottom lip and sang over for backup and tilted head for lead. The only reason I quit using it was when I went to in-ear monitors, too much around my ears and got uncomfortable.
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Hi,

I'm looking to buy a live vocal mic for use with a drummer and am after some recommendations. I would like something that picks up as little of the drums as possible.

What would you recommend?
I know the Sennheiser E935/45 are excellent at not picking up background noise.
CM311 is the most sensible idea. Ta!
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I've always used a beta 56 with great results, but I once read about a tour using an scx-one by audix and embracing the noise coming off axis.

Don't burn me if you guys don't like it, I am just pointing out something I have read about but never tried, I have used the 56 though and it was good.
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