Fuchs Amps

AllAboutTone · 23rd October 2011

Not to much info on these amps on GS, do you have one and what your thoughts ?

Picked up a Viper Fuchs head today for 1299, Channel 1 is more than I need and lush tones and gain is amazing, indeed I bought the amp just off hearing channel one, did not even try channel 2, the unit was in mint condition, I am in Atlanta shopping around today and was in a hurry, I will check it out when I get back.
This is a great amp though to go with my 74 Marshall.

boomer81 · 24th October 2011

Cool I would like to know more about them also. I'm taking a Mesa back and looking at a Fuchs or two rock I would like to know more as well

drbob1 · 24th October 2011

Check out the Gear Page for endless discussions and even more endless wanking on dumble style amps.

Andy has been doing this longer than anyone, I think. I bought my modded Bandmaster in the late 90s used, later had him update it (went from PTP to circuit board, but it also became a LOT more reliable so that's a trade I'll take). I've played one real Dumble, a couple of Two Rocks, another couple of Fuchs and a few others and it's a great sound. The cleans are complex and warm and the high gain stuff is smooth and sustaining. Plus there's enough switches and knobs to keep you experimenting with different sounds for a really long time. $1299 sounds like a good deal since most of these are more than $3k new...

That said, if you don't have the cash for a Fuchs or Two Rock, I wouldn't be ashamed to put an early Mark 2 or 3 Mesa in the same room. The thing about all of them is that they sound better cranked. That and the Mesa can only do one channel at a time (sure, it HAS channel switching, but setting it up to sound good clean doesn't work for my ears for the lead tones).

AllAboutTone · 26th October 2011

I tried using my double Hot Cake through the Viper today. The preamps in the Viper are ok but the Hot Cake is so much better, I mean way way better.
Seems like higher end pedals work much better than your average pre in any chosen amp, at least that is what I hear.

AMIEL · 26th October 2011

The Fuchs is an amazing Guitar Amp, very boutique, the one I tried, Viper, was very modern sounding but can go in a way retro.

Very focused sound and warm.

The Two Rock is the perfect Amp for semi sarurated , Brown sond ala Tom Petty, love that amp ..great for Modern Pop Rock. beautiful overtones.

I prefer any of them over a Mesa/

AMIEL · 26th October 2011

If I can I would buy a Fuchs, a Two Rock, a 65 Amp and a great Vox AC 30 and I am done!

AllAboutTone · 26th October 2011

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Originally Posted by AMIEL

If I can I would buy a Fuchs, a Two Rock, a 65 Amp and a great Vox AC 30 and I am done!

Well I have a Viper and I just bought and a 74 MK ll Super lead with the 1960TV cabs, both sound amazing with a different vibes, but like I said my double Hot Cake makes them both sound amazing getting some great dirt sounds, don't know that I really like the Vipers preamp drive but it works well on it's own, however it's good but the Hotcakes are better.
I need to check out a AC30, maybe Guitar center carries those.
Also I noticed that Fender Super Sonics are in a green color now, how cool, love those amps as well.

drbob1 · 26th October 2011

GC carries Vox for sure. I will say that I'm partial to the originals and prices are not as high now as they got for a while. $3k should buy you a REALLY nice and completely sorted AC30TB with blues from the mid-60s.

AllAboutTone · 1st November 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIEL

The Fuchs is an amazing Guitar Amp, very boutique, the one I tried, Viper, was very modern sounding but can go in a way retro.

Very focused sound and warm.

The Two Rock is the perfect Amp for semi sarurated , Brown sond ala Tom Petty, love that amp ..great for Modern Pop Rock. beautiful overtones.

I prefer any of them over a Mesa/

I have realized, but never wanted to go with 1st impressions, for that matter not even 2nd or 3rd. But I have been playing the Fuchs over a week now a lot, as good as I like my 74 Marshall MK ll, I would have to say the Fuchs is the better tone, it has everything, focused, full, spectrum of eq you would want, warm, and it moves the sound forward like no other. I am keeping my MKll because it's bad ass but the Fuchs will get used more, I ordered a Radial VT pedal yesterday so I can use 2 heads in one cabinet.
I can never say that I don't have enough tone onstage again. Just perfect.

NEWTON IN ORBIT · 1st November 2011

I don't own one, but they make some great amps for modern high gain metal sounds.

I mean damn, I had a kid come in with one, that he grabbed in a pawn shop out in the sticks for $800? Just the head, but it looked mint.

This was a few years ago, I had not heard them before, only seen reviews in mags and such.

When he came in, it was dialed all dimed, and sounded not too great. Some "ultra" distortion? switch in, and the gain on ten. I'm like who needs THAT much damn gain?

However, with the switch out, and more conservative settings, this thing sounded really, really good though. Even with a mediocre player.

Later, someone came in with another, and he knew how to dial in his tone---decent player. The clean sound was ok, actually pretty good for a "do it all" amp, but again, the hi gain stuff was nasty, in a good way.

He was using an old 80's ESP and a Tele. Even the Tele sounded balls heavy.

They are rare around here, as there isn't a local dealer.

Congrats on your find (don't know how old this thread is, but congrats anyway).

John

AllAboutTone · 1st November 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEWTON IN ORBIT

I don't own one, but they make some great amps for modern high gain metal sounds.

I mean damn, I had a kid come in with one, that he grabbed in a pawn shop out in the sticks for $800? Just the head, but it looked mint.

This was a few years ago, I had not heard them before, only seen reviews in mags and such.

When he came in, it was dialed all dimed, and sounded not too great. Some "ultra" distortion? switch in, and the gain on ten. I'm like who needs THAT much damn gain?

However, with the switch out, and more conservative settings, this thing sounded really, really good though. Even with a mediocre player.

Later, someone came in with another, and he knew how to dial in his tone---decent player. The clean sound was ok, actually pretty good for a "do it all" amp, but again, the hi gain stuff was nasty, in a good way.

He was using an old 80's ESP and a Tele. Even the Tele sounded balls heavy.

They are rare around here, as there isn't a local dealer.

Congrats on your find (don't know how old this thread is, but congrats anyway).

John

Thanks, thread is not old at all, maybe a week lol, anyways I use a double Hot Cake pedal so I really don't use the gain in the Fuchs by itself, it's great but I can get more of what I want from the Hot Cake
just using the amp, mostly channel 2 to get use other extra goodies.

AllAboutTone · 8th November 2011

Hi guys please weigh in if you use Fuchs gear, I would love to hear more, maybe tricks, what cab/speakers work the best ?
I have not used the loop section I heard it's amazing, my mom has been in the hospital and have not had extra time to play around.

adrianex · 8th November 2011

I got the Viper and I love it. I use it with a Fuchs 2x12 open Cab and it sounds amazing. I've got the opportunity if I wanted to send the Viper back to get the Manthis (pretty much the same thing but it comes with the master Volumen), just not haven't been able to get enough free time time...

Tricks... not many, I blend alot the Loop with FX like Chous, Flangers or sude use a full chain, It react different depending the sound you are going for.

AllAboutTone · 8th November 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrianex

I got the Viper and I love it. I use it with a Fuchs 2x12 open Cab and it sounds amazing. I've got the opportunity if I wanted to send the Viper back to get the Manthis (pretty much the same thing but it comes with the master Volumen), just not haven't been able to get enough free time time...

Tricks... not many, I blend alot the Loop with FX like Chous, Flangers or sude use a full chain, It react different depending the sound you are going for.

Well to me that is somewhat a trick, in what ways does it react ? tone/eq preamp ? do you use the +4 etc switch ?
Like I said I just have not had time to play with the loop. Damn if I use the loop that means 2 more monster cables to buy

ps: I really don't like the loops in the Marshall's, however the Fender Supersonic had a decent loop, I bet the Fuchs works well though.

Also I am not sure if someone updated my Viper, I have only saw the black knobs and mine has the off white ones, I like them better cause you can see them in darker rooms.

kafka · 10th November 2011

I recently picked up a Fuchs ODS-HRM 100. I don't think I've ever felt that another amp was this fun to play. It's stupidly articulate, even with the overdrive fully cranked. Every note just jumps out, and even more than that, the spaces between the notes sound wonderful. It's like a Mesa Mark that swallowed a HiWatt - but with an edge.

But the thing that gets me is, why even bother with the overdrive? This amp would totally kill without it. And the overdrive is just over-the-top, and it just doesn't get sloppy at all. V-E-R-Y tight amp. It's like there's almost no power supply sag at all.

I'm currently playing it through my open-backed EVM12L 2x12 cab.

AllAboutTone · 10th November 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by kafka

I recently picked up a Fuchs ODS-HRM 100. I don't think I've ever felt that another amp was this fun to play. It's stupidly articulate, even with the overdrive fully cranked. Every note just jumps out, and even more than that, the spaces between the notes sound wonderful. It's like a Mesa Mark that swallowed a HiWatt - but with an edge.

But the thing that gets me is, why even bother with the overdrive? This amp would totally kill without it. And the overdrive is just over-the-top, and it just doesn't get sloppy at all. V-E-R-Y tight amp. It's like there's almost no power supply sag at all.

I'm currently playing it through my open-backed EVM12L 2x12 cab.

You are so right, and I will add that each OD is different in Fuchs, like I said I do not use all of the OD it is just a add on, It's just a half and half of my double hot cake and about half OD on the viper, now is when the fun starts, playing rock/blues my guitar is turned down to 7-8ish and I am rocking with tons of gain, when I want to go mad into overdrive as in a amazing lead tones then turn my guitar volume to 10 and lay it down my man.
This thing breaks up like no other, all in more than a good way, I would have to say that all my eqs, presence etc is very touchy, glad the knobs are semi stiff, btw I use Greenbacks in a Marshall TV cab. Glad you love it as well as I.
More I play it the more I don't play my 74 Marshall, it's just that damn good.
ps: O yeah if you think it great, just play it for about 10-15 mins, then is when you start hearing the real tone.

AllAboutTone · 15th December 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIEL

The Fuchs is an amazing Guitar Amp, very boutique, the one I tried, Viper, was very modern sounding but can go in a way retro.

Very focused sound and warm.

The Two Rock is the perfect Amp for semi sarurated , Brown sond ala Tom Petty, love that amp ..great for Modern Pop Rock. beautiful overtones.

I prefer any of them over a Mesa/

I have noticed that as well, I have a switcher for 2 amp heads into one cab, one is the Fuchs , other is the MK ll 74 Marshall, Fuchs is Focus and has amazing mids and lows, however the marshall sounds more open as in wide, both are perfect and I am keeping the 2 for sure.

kafka · 16th December 2011

I'm currently looking for a 70s JMP to round out my collection. It should be great next to my Fuchs ODS 100. The cleans are just stunning through the EVM cab. A classic Marshall through Celestions would be a nice warm contrast.

I have a new THD Bi-Valve Box Head that I would be willing to trade straight up for a JMP 50 or 100 watt, for any GSers in the DC Metro area. I'd also be willing to swap for a JTM45 or a solid Ampeg B15. The Bi-Valve is a great amp, to be sure, but just doesn't fit in my palette.

AllAboutTone · 2 Weeks Ago

As I noted really loving my Viper, I now use a Barber OD with it, like that better, anyways I never knew my Fuchs could sound even better until I picked up a used Mesa Boogie 4x12 cab today,wow the amp is a different monster with the mesa cab vs the marshall, even though both have vintage 30s, mesa makes tight ass cabs, love that bottom.

23rd October 2011	#1
AllAboutTone Gear Guru Joined: Nov 2005 Location: S.Carolina Posts: 11,479 Thread Starter	Fuchs Amps Not to much info on these amps on GS, do you have one and what your thoughts ? Picked up a Viper Fuchs head today for 1299, Channel 1 is more than I need and lush tones and gain is amazing, indeed I bought the amp just off hearing channel one, did not even try channel 2, the unit was in mint condition, I am in Atlanta shopping around today and was in a hurry, I will check it out when I get back. This is a great amp though to go with my 74 Marshall. __________________ *Don't Fuk with my Tone !!!. I need a spell check app Harrison~ API~ Dan Alexander~ Fuchs~ John Hardy~ JLM~ Urei/UA Fuchs Amps = Amazing Tone !!**

26th October 2011	#5
AMIEL Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 3,615	The Fuchs is an amazing Guitar Amp, very boutique, the one I tried, Viper, was very modern sounding but can go in a way retro. Very focused sound and warm. The Two Rock is the perfect Amp for semi sarurated , Brown sond ala Tom Petty, love that amp ..great for Modern Pop Rock. beautiful overtones. I prefer any of them over a Mesa/ __________________ ------------------ Peace. Reuven Amiel "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

8th November 2011	#13
adrianex Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 753	I got the Viper and I love it. I use it with a Fuchs 2x12 open Cab and it sounds amazing. I've got the opportunity if I wanted to send the Viper back to get the Manthis (pretty much the same thing but it comes with the master Volumen), just not haven't been able to get enough free time time... Tricks... not many, I blend alot the Loop with FX like Chous, Flangers or sude use a full chain, It react different depending the sound you are going for. __________________ Adrian Morales-Demori www.heigaaudiovisual.com www.ingeniousrecords.com

10th November 2011	#15
kafka Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,267	I recently picked up a Fuchs ODS-HRM 100. I don't think I've ever felt that another amp was this fun to play. It's stupidly articulate, even with the overdrive fully cranked. Every note just jumps out, and even more than that, the spaces between the notes sound wonderful. It's like a Mesa Mark that swallowed a HiWatt - but with an edge. But the thing that gets me is, why even bother with the overdrive? This amp would totally kill without it. And the overdrive is just over-the-top, and it just doesn't get sloppy at all. V-E-R-Y tight amp. It's like there's almost no power supply sag at all. I'm currently playing it through my open-backed EVM12L 2x12 cab. __________________ - It looks just like a Telefunken U47 - with leather. You'll love it ... - Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny. - It doesn't make much difference how the paint is put on as long as something has been said. Technique is just a means of arriving at a statement.

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24th October 2011	#2
boomer81 Gear maniac Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 216	Cool I would like to know more about them also. I'm taking a Mesa back and looking at a Fuchs or two rock I would like to know more as well

24th October 2011	#3
drbob1 Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,420 3 Reviews written	Check out the Gear Page for endless discussions and even more endless wanking on dumble style amps. Andy has been doing this longer than anyone, I think. I bought my modded Bandmaster in the late 90s used, later had him update it (went from PTP to circuit board, but it also became a LOT more reliable so that's a trade I'll take). I've played one real Dumble, a couple of Two Rocks, another couple of Fuchs and a few others and it's a great sound. The cleans are complex and warm and the high gain stuff is smooth and sustaining. Plus there's enough switches and knobs to keep you experimenting with different sounds for a really long time. $1299 sounds like a good deal since most of these are more than $3k new... That said, if you don't have the cash for a Fuchs or Two Rock, I wouldn't be ashamed to put an early Mark 2 or 3 Mesa in the same room. The thing about all of them is that they sound better cranked. That and the Mesa can only do one channel at a time (sure, it HAS channel switching, but setting it up to sound good clean doesn't work for my ears for the lead tones).

1st November 2011	#10
NEWTON IN ORBIT Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2007 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 2,095 2 Reviews written	I don't own one, but they make some great amps for modern high gain metal sounds. I mean damn, I had a kid come in with one, that he grabbed in a pawn shop out in the sticks for $800? Just the head, but it looked mint. This was a few years ago, I had not heard them before, only seen reviews in mags and such. When he came in, it was dialed all dimed, and sounded not too great. Some "ultra" distortion? switch in, and the gain on ten. I'm like who needs THAT much damn gain? However, with the switch out, and more conservative settings, this thing sounded really, really good though. Even with a mediocre player. Later, someone came in with another, and he knew how to dial in his tone---decent player. The clean sound was ok, actually pretty good for a "do it all" amp, but again, the hi gain stuff was nasty, in a good way. He was using an old 80's ESP and a Tele. Even the Tele sounded balls heavy. They are rare around here, as there isn't a local dealer. Congrats on your find (don't know how old this thread is, but congrats anyway). John

16th December 2011	#18
kafka Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,267	I'm currently looking for a 70s JMP to round out my collection. It should be great next to my Fuchs ODS 100. The cleans are just stunning through the EVM cab. A classic Marshall through Celestions would be a nice warm contrast. I have a new THD Bi-Valve Box Head that I would be willing to trade straight up for a JMP 50 or 100 watt, for any GSers in the DC Metro area. I'd also be willing to swap for a JTM45 or a solid Ampeg B15. The Bi-Valve is a great amp, to be sure, but just doesn't fit in my palette.

2 Weeks Ago	#19
AllAboutTone Gear Guru Joined: Nov 2005 Location: S.Carolina Posts: 11,479 Thread Starter	As I noted really loving my Viper, I now use a Barber OD with it, like that better, anyways I never knew my Fuchs could sound even better until I picked up a used Mesa Boogie 4x12 cab today,wow the amp is a different monster with the mesa cab vs the marshall, even though both have vintage 30s, mesa makes tight ass cabs, love that bottom.