Two Notes Torpedo or Axe-FX II!? - Page 2

RavenVoice · 29th July 2011

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Originally Posted by guillaume.pille

Having a full stereo process is kind of tricky with the VB-101, but maybe having the possibility of 2 microphones mixed on a mono out would be nice ?

By the way, the VM-202 does exactly what you want.

Ooh, cross thread quoting, very impressive!

:-)

But yes, 2 mics mixed on a mono out would be fantastic! ..that would actually be the best of all worlds as you'd then still have your dry output as a fail safe for re-micing if needed. This would be perfect! :-)

I had thought about the VM-202 with the LB-202 (once it's out), but it seemed overkill for me as I don't need full stereo operation, it's just that dual micing would be handy. Of course, this can already be done with the dry out & the PI-101 software as it currently stands anyway, it'd just be a quicker, more immediate process if it could be done within the VB-101 itself on the way in. I'm really liking your idea of mixing mics to a mono out though, I shall pay close attention to future firmware updates! ;-)

guillaume.pille · 29th July 2011

Quote:

But yes, 2 mics mixed on a mono out would be fantastic! ..that would actually be the best of all worlds as you'd then still have your dry output as a fail safe for re-micing if needed. This would be perfect! :-)

Well, this not entirely impossible to do.

RavenVoice · 29th July 2011

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Originally Posted by guillaume.pille

Well, this not entirely impossible to do.

Wicked!

Thanks for taking the time to contribute to these threads by the way Guillaume, it's very much appreciated. :-)

79_Limited · 30th July 2011

Fractal has probably become a victim of their own success. I am an Ultra owner and just recently bought the MFC controller so I am a vested owner. So far I love the combo.

For a small manufacturer they are probably doing what they can get the things out the door. My guess is it is a 7 day a week affair and I could see where tensions would run high. However in the end we are still the customers and should be treated as such.

I was considering a II but my Ultra still sounds great to my ears and I think I bought at a time when quality control was not as much of an issue.

The free market always has a way of catching up with you. Keep an eye out for the next best modeler that will be better and hopefully cheaper.

crazyhorserocks · 30th July 2011

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Originally Posted by guillaume.pille

Well, this not entirely impossible to do.

Always nice to hear from the CEO/President of a company on the boards!

Quick question: if you ran two seperate vb-101 units with seperate heads at the same time (I have a sweet framtone switcher) and had very different miking scenarios (one close miked with a 57 and one a few inches back with a royer), would you need to think about phase issues, or would this issue not materialize (ie. the recorded signal would happen at exactly the same time in phase).

Merci.

guillaume.pille · 1st August 2011

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Thanks for taking the time to contribute to these threads by the way Guillaume, it's very much appreciated. :-)

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Always nice to hear from the CEO/President of a company on the boards!

Thanks for the warm welcome, I appreciate it as well.

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Quick question: if you ran two separate vb-101 units with seperate heads at the same time (I have a sweet framtone switcher) and had very different miking scenarios (one close miked with a 57 and one a few inches back with a royer), would you need to think about phase issues, or would this issue not materialize (ie. the recorded signal would happen at exactly the same time in phase).

OK, I have done this test,

Same amp, two tracks in Reaper of the VB-101's loadbox direct output.

I send them to 2 iterations of the PI-101 plugin (same process as in the VB-101, apart from the load compensation function).

At the beginning, both microphones are full axis, close miking (ie position 0,0 in the software). The cabinet is a 4x12 embedding Greenback speakers.

From 0'0" to 0'14": only SM57
From 0'14" to 0'26" : SM57 + M160N, no pan, same level
From 0'26" to 0'42" : the M160N is moving from position 0,0 to position 0,100 (10 feet away)

What you hear is coming from the different frequency responses of the two different microphones. For example, if one has a huge hole around 2KHz at a certain position in the room, the signal will be lowered by this value. As a matter of fact, some phase effect comes from the room and the number of speaker the cab embed. In this test the time alignment is made in Reaper and the phase alignment is part of the Torpedo Technology.

And the action of moving the microphone can be clearly heard if you try our free Torpedo PI-FREE Plugin, especially with a 4x12.

Please find the resulting file in SoundCloud (I'm sorry I can't make the SoundCloud tag to work...) :

Automated microphone move in Reaper using PI-101 by Two Notes on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

I don't know if a similar test has been done with some IRs coming from 3rd party suppliers, should be interesting but not that easy to move the microphone linearly...

carldut · 12th September 2011

Hey Guy's,
I've been using the torpedo for a little while now, it's pretty intuitive, with the latest firmware, I have to say it's really an amazing unit. I've found it a way better option than isolated cab or palmer. And plus the converter are really great too. Nothing bad to say!

sysexguy · 14th September 2011

Here's a great clip done using a Two Notes Torpedo VB-101

http://soundcloud.com/tristan-klein/blues-pour-maman

Andy

Cover'd · 9th December 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by 79_Limited

I was considering a II but my Ultra still sounds great to my ears and I think I bought at a time when quality control was not as much of an issue.

A few months further on, is your feeling much the same..?

I know mine is! Haven't considered the Ultra II at all - have still barely scratched the surface of the Ultra I really - and have had it for 18 months now!

Deltones · 9th December 2011

Axe-Fx or Torpedo? Then you may be interested in this then.

I posted these two clips recently on the Axe-Fx forum:

First clip is a clip comparing the Axe-Fx Ultra with Double Verb model on default settings and stock 2x12 Black cab with Dyn 421 mic sim on it with my Blackface 1964 Dual Showman with tone and volume knobs on 5, basically mimicking the Ultra default settings, going into Two Notes Torpedo VB-101. The cab used on the Torpedo is the Fender Twin Reverb 2X12 – Jensen C12K with Dynamic 421 mic, distance 0, center 0:

http://soundcloud.com/deltones/ultravstorpedo

The second clip comes for a request on the Axe-Forum. It's basically the same setup as above but the Ultra is fed into the Torpedo cab and my Showman is fed into the stock 2x12 Black cab on the Ultra on this round:

http://soundcloud.com/deltones/ultravstorpedo-part-two

For harder stuff, the Ultra is still a beast when you tweak it correctly. But for cleans, I'm back to my heads, with the Ultra used in a supporting role for FX. Always felt the clean models on the Ultra had a blanket over them, and my recent purchase of the Torpedo confirmed it, at least to my ears.

kdiamond · 10th February 2012

I had 11r (Digidesign Eleven Rack) and it does not sound good as like any other preamp simulators so far. At least for Metal sound. Currently I have Triaxis and use Redwirez impulses for the cabinet. Best combination so far. I also have Palmer PDI speaker simulator with load box which is also very cool.

As far as this pricey hardware solution is concerned. It's nothing more than a rackmount computer with DSP algos inside. So better option is to buy RME Babyface (32 samples of latency = 0,7ms) and use Cantabille software and use any VST you desire. The only limit is the CPU of the laptop which today are very high and we change laptops every few years anyway. That way you get endless possibilities and never outdated FX processor.

Br,
Kd

krusty · 11th February 2012

It seems everyone on every guitar forum wants nothing but metal sounds from their gear. It also seems this genre is the most difficult to model, and there are simply so many sub-genres of it that it is almost impossible to make everyone happy. You can't even get more than one sub-genre to agree on a particular tube amp.

That being said, the AxeFX doesn't really strike me as an original product. I have an Oberheim GM-1000 from about a decade ago that is remarkably similar in control layout and function. It also sounds fantastic and is capable of such in-depth tweaking that I have only barely scratched the surface in the year I've owned it. Run through a Mesa rack amp with the amp/cab simulations turned off, the clean and slightly dirty sounds are fantastic. Turn them on, and it can record direct (beautifully, I might add). I've tried an AxeFX Ultra, and I didn't find anything that caused me to want to change from my old classic, much less spend the money they are asking. Admittedly, when I record I do mostly use an all-tube Mesa preamp and amp combo (I have 3 separate Mesa pre/amp combos in my rack, with an amp dedicated to the Oberheim as well).

stanonbass · 17th April 2012

You guys really haven't tried the axefx2 have you? Mine has had 0 glitches and sounds amazing. I have the real amps of a lot of the presets i use and i choose the axe fx because it sounds just as good and its easier.

Thin cleans? Wow. Must be plugging a crappy guitar into it. Every model i have used in this thing is absolutely spot on. Even the SVT bass tones with an 8 10 sounds exactly like the real thing. I have the real thing and have miced it many times.

I have given this thing the studio test and it has blown me away every time. You can get literally any sound out of it and its authentic.

This is the best guitar modeler on the market hands down.

It even models a Trainwreck amp. It is far from thin dudes. You plug a good guitar with good pickups in it and it sounds phenomenal.

I have gotten spectacular heavy sounds out of this thing. The slo 100 and jcm 800 models are killer. The 5150 is killer. The plexi and vox both are incredible.

Thing is loaded with effects too. Even mod chips for the distortion boxes. Thing is worth 5k with all it does. Its a steal at 2200.

9th December 2011	#40
Deltones Gear addict Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 423	Axe-Fx or Torpedo? Then you may be interested in this then. I posted these two clips recently on the Axe-Fx forum: First clip is a clip comparing the Axe-Fx Ultra with Double Verb model on default settings and stock 2x12 Black cab with Dyn 421 mic sim on it with my Blackface 1964 Dual Showman with tone and volume knobs on 5, basically mimicking the Ultra default settings, going into Two Notes Torpedo VB-101. The cab used on the Torpedo is the Fender Twin Reverb 2X12 – Jensen C12K with Dynamic 421 mic, distance 0, center 0: http://soundcloud.com/deltones/ultravstorpedo The second clip comes for a request on the Axe-Forum. It's basically the same setup as above but the Ultra is fed into the Torpedo cab and my Showman is fed into the stock 2x12 Black cab on the Ultra on this round: http://soundcloud.com/deltones/ultravstorpedo-part-two For harder stuff, the Ultra is still a beast when you tweak it correctly. But for cleans, I'm back to my heads, with the Ultra used in a supporting role for FX. Always felt the clean models on the Ultra had a blanket over them, and my recent purchase of the Torpedo confirmed it, at least to my ears. __________________ . Perfect is the life of King Father said to me But he didn't tell me life would end

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30th July 2011	#34
79_Limited Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 528	Fractal has probably become a victim of their own success. I am an Ultra owner and just recently bought the MFC controller so I am a vested owner. So far I love the combo. For a small manufacturer they are probably doing what they can get the things out the door. My guess is it is a 7 day a week affair and I could see where tensions would run high. However in the end we are still the customers and should be treated as such. I was considering a II but my Ultra still sounds great to my ears and I think I bought at a time when quality control was not as much of an issue. The free market always has a way of catching up with you. Keep an eye out for the next best modeler that will be better and hopefully cheaper.

12th September 2011	#37
carldut Gear interested Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 8	Hey Guy's, I've been using the torpedo for a little while now, it's pretty intuitive, with the latest firmware, I have to say it's really an amazing unit. I've found it a way better option than isolated cab or palmer. And plus the converter are really great too. Nothing bad to say!

14th September 2011	#38
sysexguy Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2003 Location: St-Sauveur, QC, Canada Posts: 654	Here's a great clip done using a Two Notes Torpedo VB-101 http://soundcloud.com/tristan-klein/blues-pour-maman Andy

10th February 2012	#41
kdiamond Gear interested Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 4	I had 11r (Digidesign Eleven Rack) and it does not sound good as like any other preamp simulators so far. At least for Metal sound. Currently I have Triaxis and use Redwirez impulses for the cabinet. Best combination so far. I also have Palmer PDI speaker simulator with load box which is also very cool. As far as this pricey hardware solution is concerned. It's nothing more than a rackmount computer with DSP algos inside. So better option is to buy RME Babyface (32 samples of latency = 0,7ms) and use Cantabille software and use any VST you desire. The only limit is the CPU of the laptop which today are very high and we change laptops every few years anyway. That way you get endless possibilities and never outdated FX processor. Br, Kd

11th February 2012	#42
krusty Gear maniac Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 176	It seems everyone on every guitar forum wants nothing but metal sounds from their gear. It also seems this genre is the most difficult to model, and there are simply so many sub-genres of it that it is almost impossible to make everyone happy. You can't even get more than one sub-genre to agree on a particular tube amp. That being said, the AxeFX doesn't really strike me as an original product. I have an Oberheim GM-1000 from about a decade ago that is remarkably similar in control layout and function. It also sounds fantastic and is capable of such in-depth tweaking that I have only barely scratched the surface in the year I've owned it. Run through a Mesa rack amp with the amp/cab simulations turned off, the clean and slightly dirty sounds are fantastic. Turn them on, and it can record direct (beautifully, I might add). I've tried an AxeFX Ultra, and I didn't find anything that caused me to want to change from my old classic, much less spend the money they are asking. Admittedly, when I record I do mostly use an all-tube Mesa preamp and amp combo (I have 3 separate Mesa pre/amp combos in my rack, with an amp dedicated to the Oberheim as well).

17th April 2012	#43
stanonbass Gear interested Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 3	You guys really haven't tried the axefx2 have you? Mine has had 0 glitches and sounds amazing. I have the real amps of a lot of the presets i use and i choose the axe fx because it sounds just as good and its easier. Thin cleans? Wow. Must be plugging a crappy guitar into it. Every model i have used in this thing is absolutely spot on. Even the SVT bass tones with an 8 10 sounds exactly like the real thing. I have the real thing and have miced it many times. I have given this thing the studio test and it has blown me away every time. You can get literally any sound out of it and its authentic. This is the best guitar modeler on the market hands down. It even models a Trainwreck amp. It is far from thin dudes. You plug a good guitar with good pickups in it and it sounds phenomenal. I have gotten spectacular heavy sounds out of this thing. The slo 100 and jcm 800 models are killer. The 5150 is killer. The plexi and vox both are incredible. Thing is loaded with effects too. Even mod chips for the distortion boxes. Thing is worth 5k with all it does. Its a steal at 2200.