Cab for dual rectifier

[matskull]

Hi everyone, I'm in the market for a cabinet to go with my new (to me) mesa boogie dual rectifier.

Of course I'm considering the mesa oversised 4x12 with v30s but I'm also interested in other options.

I want it to make good metal and punk tone but I'd also like to be able to get good crunch and clean tones.
I looked at the marshall 1960tv but I don't know if it's a good match for the recto.

I'd also like something that would sound good with other heads as well.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
thanks

[BLUElightCory]

I find that the Recto tends to sound best with cabs that have tight low end. The oversized Recto cab usually ends up sounding excessively muddy to me. I really like the traditional sized Mesa 4x12 (it's now called the Stiletto cab) as well as the Bogner Ubercab and the Orange standard 4x12 with Dual and Triple Rectos. I'm not a big fan of Marshall 4x12 as they tend to sound a bit fizzy to me.

[matskull]

Allright, good to know. Thanks

keep the suggestions/opinions coming ;)

[matskull]

What would be the main difference in tone between those?

I'm asking cause I got a dual rec and could get a good deal for almost new mesa standard cab and a 1960tv, and I wonder if I should get one right now or both, or just wait til I can actually afford it, even if it's a real good deal.
thanks

[matskull]

While I'm at it I got another questions regarding cabs and amps.
If you would have to choose between all equal quality gear.
What would you pick between:
A- One cab with multiple heads
or
B- One head with multiple cabs

???

I think both options are interesting but option B is less expansive...

[theGeek]

Originally Posted by matskull

While I'm at it I got another questions regarding cabs and amps.
If you would have to choose between all equal quality gear.
What would you pick between:
A- One cab with multiple heads
or
B- One head with multiple cabs

???

I think both options are interesting but option B is less expansive...

What kind of shows are you playing? Seriously, unless you are playing huge venues do you really need anything more than a 412? I play with a 212 and if I need more volume I'm probably already mic'ed anyway.

[matskull]

Sorry for the confusion, this is for recording only.
I'm talking about tone here, not volume.
thanks

[matskull]

Somebody must have an answer??

[BLUElightCory]

If it's recording, I would definitely go with multiple heads and a single cab (so as to have more tonal choices) rather than a single head with many cabs.

I've learned through years of playing through every amp in sight that there really is no amp that can do everything really well. In a recording situation one would usually be better off with multiple "one-trick" pony amps, such as one amp with great cleans and one amp with great dirty tones, and then expand the collection from there.

[matskull]

I see your point, it is true that gain staging may influence the tone more than speakers and cabinets, allthough those really can sound different one from each others.

As for the mesa cabs, I'll have to try them but I'm wondering, can you get good mids and tight low out of an oversized cab and can you get deep lows and "scooped" mid with a traditionnal mesa cab?
Or maybe you really need both to get those 2 different tones....

[BLUElightCory]

Originally Posted by matskull

As for the mesa cabs, I'll have to try them but I'm wondering, can you get good mids and tight low out of an oversized cab and can you get deep lows and "scooped" mid with a traditionnal mesa cab?

Yes, sort of. You can't make an oversized Recto cab sound like the traditional cab, or vice versa. But you can compensate by setting the amp/guitar/pedals for more or less lows/mids.

The reason I like the Mesa Traditional/Stiletto cab over the Recto cab is because generally you aren't going to want a "scooped," low-end heavy cabinet for tracking guitars, because it can end up sounding really muddy and indistinct in the context of a mix. Play the two cabs side by side at a music store and you'll see what I mean.

[matskull]

Does anybody know about the marshall 1965B? it's a 4x10, I could get a used one for 300$ CAN but I don't know much about it, don't even know how much it's worth.
I also say a 1x12 with v30 from orange for the same price, any opinion, could it be useful or would a 4x12 with v30 wins for everything?

I also saw a matamp minimat II for 800$ which seems kindda interesting...

[WyattB]

Tone Tubby cabinets. Not much more money, much better speakers and construction.

[fooman]

I own a Marshall JCM2000 head. I have the accompanied 1960a 4x12 cab. It always seems pretty tinny... kinda weak to my ears.
So my buddy let me use his Mesa recto 4x12 cab and all of a sudden I began to love my Marshall more. It sounded thick, bigger, more 3D. So I went out and bought the cab.

Very soon I'll be picking up a Mesa Triple Rectifier head. It brings in the clients.

So two heads, one cab, two sounds. Usually two awesome sounds that work for 80% of the bands I record without question, and 100% with some work.

[matskull]

cool, does it record well?

[Phrygian]

I have many 4x12's but my Dual Rec sounds best with my Mesa Traditional! Tight low end, great presence and punch overall.

[fooman]

I've recorded about 3 projects that are on the go with it. One rock act, two metal acts. The Marshall has a pretty thick tone with the Mesa cab, vastly different than with the original Marshall cab. I can pretty much throw a mic up on the cab and be happy with the sound I'm getting.

I've also put a Krank head and Traynor tube head on it, with great results that the band was super pleased with.

I guess there isn't one head I've put through the Mesa cab that I've been unhappy with (as long as it's a quality head to begin with).

[matskull]

Originally Posted by Phrygian

I have many 4x12's but my Dual Rec sounds best with my Mesa Traditional! Tight low end, great presence and punch overall.

in your collection, do you have an oversized mesa cab too?