boogie vs. bogner

[84K]

I have JCM 800's modded by everyone I know of who does a good mod. Everyone brings their favorite amp and if the guitarist is open to experiment (and they use a marshall style amp), I crush their amp with a modded 800.

[Geert van den Berg]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

I think you'll agree that the word Raw is subjective..It would be like me describing the Marshall tone as Yakking Tone. To me it has a Raw tone which i love...
Lately myself I have been getting into Power Amps and using pedal distortion and overdrive pedals. Right now I have the Mesa 2/90 and the Randall rt2-50 with all kinds of tone pedals

I don't want to hijack this thread, but can you name a couple of the pedals you've tried, I am currently looking into buying the MI audio Crunch Box or the Fulltone OCD to pair with the Rectifier. (an old military green Big Muff of a friend of mine also sounds great thru it as well but offcourse that's a different sound, but still cool)

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

I don't want to hijack this thread, but can you name a couple of the pedals you've tried, I am currently looking into buying the MI audio Crunch Box or the Fulltone OCD to pair with the Rectifier. (an old military green Big Muff of a friend of mine also sounds great thru it as well but offcourse that's a different sound, but still cool)

Love Pedal - Church of tone - Custom Effects Pedals and Modifications great pedals. I have alot of them..etinerty E6 overdrive is great, Purple Plexy 800 is greal.. the COT 50 gold is a great pedal...i want a fulltone gt 500 next

[blakegaston]

Depends on the tone you want. If you want the best high gain tones ever, get a OD 100 or CA3+ from CAA

A couple other amps that smoke:

-Bogner XTC101B
-Orange Thunderverb 200
-Matchless Pheonix 35 or maybe a cheiftain
-H&K Triamp MKII
-Mesa Mark IV (smokes the rec series IMHO)
-Soldano Slo 100 w/ depth mod

I personally use a Triaxis v2 w/ tx4 board with a mesa 2:90 power amp and I absolutely love it. It is so tonally versatile. I would highly recommend this over any rectifier.

[Mastering101]

I just ordered a Bogner Fish

[kafka]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

I just ordered a Bogner Fish

How much? Where did you find it?

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by kafka

How much? Where did you find it?

Bogner is doing a quick run call your dealer...big bucks though

[kafka]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

Bogner is doing a quick run call your dealer...big bucks though

Yeah, I talked with a dealer today. Well, that's an awful lot of $$$ for a preamp. I think they need to keep it a limited run to keep the price up. I'll pass on it. It'd be more of a collectible than a tool for me.

[84K]

I have an original Fish and (2) original Triple Giant's... They are cool as hell!

It'll be interesting to see how the new productions sounds compared to the original.

[IPLayHamers]

VHT Ultra Lead or CLX. These 2 amps certainly will do everything you need. I haven't heard the SigX in person, but from the clips it sounds good too.

[wesarvin]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

You should try each amp in person.

I have a Mesa Dual Rectifier and a Bogner 101B.

They are completely different. I think the Bogner is more refined and it has almost no sharp edges. (there are some on the clean channel with the gain all the way up, I don't think that sounds pretty, this has been 'fixed' in the Classic version).

Also a lot of people comment that the Bogner has sortof a 'blanket over the speaker' sound, which might be true, but what is also true is that you can put your ears (or microphone) right on the speaker axis and still have a tone which is not harsh instead of using some Weber beam blockers...

But if after a while playing on the Bogner switch on the Mesa, I can still appreciate what it does. Like I said, it's totally different.

Ditto with this quote, except that I have a Mark IV and a 101a...

The Mesa seems more suited to rhythm work, for its tightness, and the Bogner better for lead work, due to its creaminess.

Neither brand would be better, just "different."

[jval]

bogner for sure. I do tons of metal / heavy stuff and I always end up frustrated when a band brings in rectifiers. You can turn the knobs forever and coax a half decent sound out of them, but they don't come close to a lot of other amps IMO. They sound wimpy to me... almost like a solid state overdrive. way too much hype around these amps..
I've been playing a Bogner XTC with my band lately, and it's sounding pretty good. Haven't had a chance to get it in the studio yet.

If you want to save a ton of money and still get great heavy tones, you might want to check out a 5150... still one of the best metal/hardcore amps around.

[Jonboy79]

Originally Posted by jval

bogner for sure. I do tons of metal / heavy stuff and I always end up frustrated when a band brings in rectifiers. You can turn the knobs forever and coax a half decent sound out of them, but they don't come close to a lot of other amps IMO. They sound wimpy to me... almost like a solid state overdrive. way too much hype around these amps.

Really? Because I've heard many many many songs using Rectifiers that had a great sounding guitar tone. I think too many people are jumping on the negative hype bandwagon when it comes to these amps, like it's the "cool" thing to say or something. Sure they take time to dial them in but once you do they can sound really great, and nothing like a solid state overdrive. That being said I personally prefer Bogners but there are times where I've liked Rectifiers better for the situation.

[WyattB]

Bogner 100 percent.

If you're going to buy a Mesa, get a .50 Caliber +. Much cheaper and they sound grittier than the dual recs.

[jval]

Originally Posted by Jonboy79

Really? Because I've heard many many many songs using Rectifiers that had a great sounding guitar tone. I think too many people are jumping on the negative hype bandwagon when it comes to these amps, like it's the "cool" thing to say or something. Sure they take time to dial them in but once you do they can sound really great, and nothing like a solid state overdrive. That being said I personally prefer Bogners but there are times where I've liked Rectifiers better for the situation.

Well, I HAVE used a rectifier many times and managed to get decent results, but in my experience (not hype - I actually thought i was alone on this before I heard similar opinions on this forum!), it usually takes a lot of fuss and even though it sounds 'good', it's not quite where I want it. I always have to fool around with it for a while, where as I can get an awesome sound coming from a 5150 in about 5 minutes.
I'm not trying to say they're useless, but for me, they're pretty low on the list.

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by 84K

I have an original Fish and (2) original Triple Giant's... They are cool as hell!

It'll be interesting to see how the new productions sounds compared to the original.

Yes Bogner has to comply with the new regulations..it was lead solder. I haven't heard any complaints since the change but the concern was longevity

[84K]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

Yes Bogner has to comply with the new regulations..it was lead solder. I haven't heard any complaints since the change but the concern was longevity

true... there are other issues... I have had the pleasure of hearing the difference in various caps, and resistors effects over tone. Even the same brands from different eras are very different. Some of the old stuff varied a lot, but it was within a ballpark. To nail that sound without the 25 year old parts will be interesting.

[Mastering101]

Originally Posted by 84K

true... there are other issues... I have had the pleasure of hearing the difference in various caps, and resistors effects over tone. Even the same brands from different eras are very different. Some of the old stuff varied a lot, but it was within a ballpark. To nail that sound without the 25 year old parts will be interesting.

All my bogners are new models and i love the tone so i guess i'm safe

[barryjohns]

I just picked up a Mesa Maverick with 4x10's. Sounds awesome. I get tons of gain, but only need the gain set to 4 or 5 and it rocks!

I've been looking at the Marshall Kerry King.

Marshall 2203KK Kerry King Signature JCM800 | Sweetwater.com

Does anyone have any experience with the Kerry King JCM 800?

[84K]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

All my bogners are new models and i love the tone so i guess i'm safe

I own new XTC's and they are great!! I am SURE Bogner will make a great preamp in the new Fish, that is no doubt, he doesn' make crap. I am interested in how close it will sound to the original that it is a reissue of. That is all. Could be just as good but different, could be even better in a lot of way, could be almost the same. I am interested in those type of things.... good luck with it, I am 100% sure it will be awesome.

[Mastering101]

i heard on another site after Bogner finishes this run of fish preamps they are coming out with a new preamp. not sure if it will be a more modern preamp. I cant wait to see this

Originally Posted by 84K

I own new XTC's and they are great!! I am SURE Bogner will make a great preamp in the new Fish, that is no doubt, he doesn' make crap. I am interested in how close it will sound to the original that it is a reissue of. That is all. Could be just as good but different, could be even better in a lot of way, could be almost the same. I am interested in those type of things.... good luck with it, I am 100% sure it will be awesome.

[84K]

Originally Posted by effectsnut

i heard on another site after Bogner finishes this run of fish preamps they are coming out with a new preamp. not sure if it will be a more modern preamp. I cant wait to see this

Hell Yeah!!

BTW, curiosity killed the cat... I ordered a Fish reissue.

I will give full report and sound samples verses the original fish and (my favorite) the original bogner triple giant (which there are only 20 of).

[octatonic]

Originally Posted by jval

bogner for sure. I do tons of metal / heavy stuff and I always end up frustrated when a band brings in rectifiers. You can turn the knobs forever and coax a half decent sound out of them, but they don't come close to a lot of other amps IMO. They sound wimpy to me... almost like a solid state overdrive. way too much hype around these amps..

Hmm weird.
I record a lot of metal/heavy stuff and seem to be able to pull a great tone from a recto.

Best advice, stick a clean boost or Tubescreamer on the front end.
It tightens up the bottom end, smoothes out the highs.

I'm using a Durham Sex Drive at the moment, but a TS808, 909, Voodoolab Sparkledrive all do pretty much the same thing.

As an engineer you'd do well to download the Dual Recto manual- the midrange/presence/treble work entirely different (and interdependently) to pretty much every other amp.

Here is the link:

http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/2chRecto.pdf

IMHO having pdf's of 90% of the amps on the market has been very helpful to me personally.

Also, when you engage the fx loop the master for each channel becomes an FX send level control which works in conjunction with the FX send on the back of the amp.

It takes a while to get the hang of but once you have it sussed you'll end up with a a fantastic guitar tone.
If you don't then there is something wrong with the Dual Recto you have in front of you.
Period.

[ShreddyTeddy]

boogie is crap.
Bogner
I prefer marshall or engl!
ENGL!!!

[Doc_Rock]

Mesa, Bogner both are great. Got a Roadking an absolutely love it. Ubershall is great for tracking gain, especially more metally stuff, cleans are dull but clean.
Bogner exctasy is a tremendous amp. I think it's a totally different sonic palette though.
Go hear, test yourself. Engl is not my cup of tea but then I know what they look inside and their build quality makes me dislike them (almost as poorly built as mxxxxxxxl...) The powerball en SE series have some nice sounds. Cleans are very compressed but appealling. Peavey 5150's got great sounds on higher gain settings. Laboga Mr Hector is great for Death. Mesa mark V 's got great higher gain channel also... Choices.... Also got a 30 watt Orange rocker and the gain on the second channel is just heaven it can go really deep too.

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by ShreddyTeddy

boogie is crap.
Bogner
I prefer marshall or engl!
ENGL!!!

No one is going to take you seriously when you make a comment "boogie is crap". How many Boogies have you owned and played day in day out for a significant period of time?

[octatonic]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

No one is going to take you seriously when you make a comment "boogie is crap". How many Boogies have you owned and played day in day out for a significant period of time?

Exactly.
Why bring back a long dead thread just to spout that load of shite?

[Absolute]

Originally Posted by Pgraf88

Im looking at getting either a mesa dual/triple or a Bogner uberschall, I play some semi-hi gain stuff metalcore is what the kids call it these days and were wondeing yalls thoughts these amps. I know the uberschall was Bogners answer to mesa's rectifers(just what i heard). would it be wise to save some cash and go with a mesa? or could i pull off what i want with even a bogner ecstacy 101?

What are yalls thoughts

First, ignore the comments about sounding like everyone else. Sounding radically different than everyone else in your genre is most likely gonna set you apart in a bad way--not good. Everyone is not EVH...your not gonna set any new trends. Let your songs and playing set you apart.

Besides, everyone and their mother used Marshalls through the 70's and 80's and we got by fine.

About the amps... you got some good advice so the one thing I will point out is the cabinet. You better have the right cabinet for those 2--especially the Bogner or you may sound like a bee hive on stage. I dont know exactly what you like but if you cant use the stock, recommended cab for the amp--you better audition--or you may be sorry because there are some very high harmonics on those 2 amps that must be dampened.

[alexamk]

YOu could so pull it off with the excstacy 101 as its an amazing amp. I have all of the Bogner amps except Uberschall, and I have 6 Boogie Amps. I rarely ever use the Boogie's. The Boogies I own are the Stilleto, MarkIV, Mark V, Lonestar Special, Dual Rectifier, Triaxis. The Bogner amps are so smooth, you just have to try them, so versatile.

[grooveboxxx]

Originally Posted by richiepalooza

Bogner, Bogner, Bogner.