5150 for metal/hardcore --- Now I can see why!

[Blast9]

Saw a friend's band last night (3 guitarists !)

Needless to say it was a wall of sound and white noise in a half-full venue.

What I could consistently hear poking through, though, was the awesome tone of the 5150 which was plugged into a greenback-loaded 4x12.

Great mid-range presence, a kind of "tubescreamer on steroids" aggressive honk that totally cut through the wash of the other guitars/cymbals.

Needless to say, the other amps were Line 6

[nandoanalog]

Line 6 are probably the worst sounding amps in the world

I use my line 6 147 hd head as a bass overdrive

[Methlab]

The 5150 is so damn tight it's ridiculous. The midrange in that amp is unbeatable for metal.

Anyone play the 5150III yet? Made by fender with a Fender tube clean channel combod with overdrive?

I hear great things.

[Blast9]

Yeah sounds interesting... there's a long thread/review over at thegearpage.net

Fender EVH 5150 III Well now (review) - The Gear Page

[Absolute]

Originally Posted by nandoanalog

Line 6 are probably the worst sounding amps in the world

I use my line 6 147 hd head as a bass overdrive

Mike Shipley said here on the forum they had one of the best amps he's ever heard. I think I trust him. The amps arent perfect but everytime I hear them sounding bad it is user error. I have heard the same comment on Dual Recitfiers and I found its always the guy turning the dial that ruins the tone. I have never had a problem setting up either amp

There is no greater skill in mixing than capturing good tones from an amp. Thats why only a few engineers in the biz dominate all the great sounding guitar albums. Many times..if not most..its not the gear..its the person making the choices on the final tone

About the 5150. That too can sound terrible. Especially with the wrong cab. Its very bright and cold if the wrong setup is used. I find it the most "middle of the road" of all Power heads. But it lacks character. A Powerball is in the same category but has way more character.

If you want something with more options and can nail a 5150 tone too--a Deizel VH4 is the way to go. But again..with so many options-- I have heard these sound like a crap as well.

Again and again I see these people with these great amps and they have a mental block or something--always dialing in the same cruddy tone when the amp they have is capable of so much more. User error is the #1 problem, but its lke pulling teeth to get them to admit it because they feel like they should have the ability. After all its their amp. These are the guys you struggle with in the studio because they dont want you messing with their tone.

[Paddlepop lion]

I love 5150's for metal. I don't think I have ever got a bad tone out of one to tape. 5150 + sm57 + ltd-1 + ua1176 = a bloody good metal sound!

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by Absolute

About the 5150. That too can sound terrible. Especially with the wrong cab. Its very bright and cold if the wrong setup is used.
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Yeah. In this instance, I think the geenback-loaded cab definitely enhanced the character of the mids.

Incidentally, all controls were on 6, except the resonance and prescence, which were dimed

[2012]

5150 + Dual Rec =

[nandoanalog]

Originally Posted by Absolute

Mike Shipley said here on the forum they had one of the best amps he's ever heard. I think I trust him. The amps arent perfect but everytime I hear them sounding bad it is user error. I have heard the same comment on Dual Recitfiers and I found its always the guy turning the dial that ruins the tone. I have never had a problem setting up either amp

There is no greater skill in mixing than capturing good tones from an amp. Thats why only a few engineers in the biz dominate all the great sounding guitar albums. Many times..if not most..its not the gear..its the person making the choices on the final tone

About the 5150. That too can sound terrible. Especially with the wrong cab. Its very bright and cold if the wrong setup is used. I find it the most "middle of the road" of all Power heads. But it lacks character. A Powerball is in the same category but has way more character.

If you want something with more options and can nail a 5150 tone too--a Deizel VH4 is the way to go. But again..with so many options-- I have heard these sound like a crap as well.

Again and again I see these people with these great amps and they have a mental block or something--always dialing in the same cruddy tone when the amp they have is capable of so much more. User error is the #1 problem, but its lke pulling teeth to get them to admit it because they feel like they should have the ability. After all its their amp. These are the guys you struggle with in the studio because they dont want you messing with their tone.

You get yourself a line 6 HD 147 and record a good tone out of it. I`ll give you 100$ if you do it.

I went to a concert of a famous band in my country. The guitars were sounding amazing...ly bad. Yup.... Line 6....
A friend of mine bought that Line 6 head that has all those fancy effects and stuff.... I think it`s the best one they got.... Sounds amazing...ly bad. (he`s going to sell it.)
I got a Line 6 HD147... On guitar, it sounds amazing..ly bad.
But it sure is the best overdrive I ever heard on bass.

I have 5 other guitar amps. I can get cool tones out of them all.... Except the line 6... I can get cool tones out of a rectifier... Not out of a line 6..... I know nobody who can get a cool tone out of a line 6....

Must be user error....

[slaves666]

I must say I have heard line 6 stuff sound great live.....

1. Thornley used the Vetta 2 head through Marshalls with Greenbacks....killer tone
2. Dino x-Fear Factory - Pod Pro through a Mesa 2-90-2 and two 2x12 Mesa cabs, Vintage 30's

I have had limited success and sold my POD 2.0....now it's Bogner, Soldano, JCM 800 or Rectifier.....oh yeah, and my Fender Tonemaster.

[Absolute]

Originally Posted by nandoanalog

You get yourself a line 6 HD 147 and record a good tone out of it. I`ll give you 100$ if you do it.

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Must be user error....

Let me qualify. The problem your having is the amp is its not easy to deal with. Its a different animal than a tube head. It shouldnt take as much work to make it work--thats for sure--because modeling is far from perfect. Some people just cant deal with all the available voicings, there is too much variety for some ears to deal with so its hard to make decisions. Its not plug and play as advertised--thats not your fault.

Use whats easiest for you obviously. But everytime I run into a 147 or Vetta I have no problems with it. Niether do many other people. The biggest mistake we can make is to assume that because we cant get a good sound out something..no one can.

BTW..there is Fender 5150 III. Its very sweet..very punchy

[nandoanalog]

Record a good tone out of a 147. Post it. If it`s good, I`ll give you 100$.

[Duffster]

I run my 5150 preamp out into a Mesa Boogie Strategy 500 on half power to a mesa 2x12 cab. Sounds ****ing great. For me the the pre in the 5150 is great but its the power section that makes the amp weak.

[Sparks6505]

hey I have a 6505, it was my understanding that it is the exact same as the 5150 - but had to change the name after EVHs contract dissolved. Has anyone heard both? are they really sonically identical?

[Blast9]

Yes its exactly the same, but I have only heard/played the 5150

[Pondscum]

Check out www.myspace.com/hottboxx
Our guitar player used the line 6 hd head for all the solos. He uses the head live and wanted to use it in studio. Engineer told him that only for solos and he used a mixture of soldano and mesa for the rhythms. Live it sounds thin but he loves it so what can ya do?

[Andrew]

when people speak of combining a dual rec and 5150, what exactly does that mean and how exactly is it done?

[slaves666]

I just bought a 5150 blockhead for $600, I tracked a solo yesterday with it, I can't wait to do a whole record with it....it is killer and really sounds unreal for heavy rock tones.

[everybody's x]

Originally Posted by Andrew

when people speak of combining a dual rec and 5150, what exactly does that mean and how exactly is it done?

layering tracks with both amps

if you like any metal that's come out in the last ten years you've heard this combo


5150+triple xxx is kick ass too ala Arch Enemy

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by slaves666

I just bought a 5150 blockhead for $600, I tracked a solo yesterday with it, I can't wait to do a whole record with it....it is killer and really sounds unreal for heavy rock tones.

Wow $600!!! Lucky!

I laid down some heavy rhythm tracks yesterday 5150 >>> greenback-loaded cab >>> SM57 pointing at the middle of the cone.... Loads of fun!

[Jesusfreak999777]

yes indeed! the 5150 is absolutely amazing.

If only peavey could have made the Effects loop less of a problem.
Other than that, that amp is killer.

Sadly, mine just died on me not 15 minutes ago. It'll be going in for repairs asap.

But I paid $300 for it, and in 4 years of ownership its only had to go in the shop twice, and the effects loop has acted up a little. But with that price tag who can complain.

[saturninus]

I use the Amplitube Metal's modeled 5150 all the time.

[Kiljoy]

I have owned a MESA Dual Rec for around 13 years now and used to spurn anyone who tried to say that the 5150 could even come close to the MESA in any regard... Well, since joining a band 3 years ago where the other guitarist played a 5150 running into an old Marshall 1960A I was plesantly supprised. So pleasantly supprised in fact I went and bought a brand new 6505 from the local Peavey dealer. I have not touched my MESA since, apart from trying it on tracks in the studio and going back to the 6505.

Live I run the green channel clean and the red as my dirty tone, all switched and effected via a Boss GT-8 in 4 cable method config. In the studio though I use the green channel on crunch with the gain all the way up for rhythm tracks and the red only for the occational lead part.

IMO the 5150/6505 is best paired with a standard sized straight cab loaded with V30s. My 1960A does not do it justice and I am currently saving for 2 Randall XL cabs...

[SkunkWorks]

I just traded my Soldano Avenger 50 watt for a 6505 Plus (and some cash). Does everything I've been trying to get out of the Avenger for almost 2 years. Both amps were purchased as stepping stones to the Soldano SLO which I'll still get as soon as I can afford one but the Peavey gets me closer to that amp than the actual Soldano did.

[joeydego]

the 5150 is like a well behaved Mesa, hence its tightness.

[RiF]

I heard about 3-4 bands live where 1 of the 2 guitarists played Line 6 stuff (from PODPro to HD) and the Line 6 guys always had that honky, bass-boomy, boxy tone that I know from my POD.

[Krank]

Line6? How the hell are people playing this shitty outdated modeling tech in concert and getting away with it?

Originally Posted by saturninus

I use the Amplitube Metal's modeled 5150 all the time.

It SUCKS. At the very least you have to high-cut it at 10KHz to sound even reasonably realistic; pure digital fizz beyond that. I've spent WAY too much time trying to dial it in, only to finally come to my senses and completely abandon the idea that the current state of software can do high-gain/cascaded tube distortion.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it's STILL a bloody WASTE OF TIME to use modeling for metal at this point. If you disagree, post a clip!

[saturninus]

Originally Posted by Krank

Line6? How the hell are people playing this shitty outdated modeling tech in concert and getting away with it?



It SUCKS. At the very least you have to high-cut it at 10KHz to sound even reasonably realistic; pure digital fizz beyond that. I've spent WAY too much time trying to dial it in, only to finally come to my senses and completely abandon the idea that the current state of software can do high-gain/cascaded tube distortion.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it's STILL a bloody WASTE OF TIME to use modeling for metal at this point. If you disagree, post a clip!

ev1l chris and his army of r0bots: r0b0tic shred tone

[Blast9]

*crickets*
*tumbleweed*

[Chris Williams]

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