Break in on Christmas Eve

[dale116dot7]

I got a bunch of Ademco parts from a wholesaler, and installed and programmed the system. I am using a commercial system, the Ademco Vista 128BP. The Destiny 6100 that they also offer is a comparable system. Mine is wired, I felt that I could get more protection for the same budget than a wireless system, though the wireless is a lot easier to install. Here's one company that seems good and looks like they will help you set things up:

http://www.aesecurity.com

I was planning on ordering a few more bits and pieces from them to finish my installation. If you are used to doing any studio sort of wiring and setup, this wiring is pretty straightforward. Getting the monitoring going isn't too bad either, but my theory is that having lots of bells and stuff going off before they even step foot in the house is good. The only caution is to ensure the monitoring tech they send over has experience with your panel, a local monitoring company (that's been really great) sent over their residential tech but my system is a commercial one so they had to send their commercial guy out later to get it to work right.

In my system, every exterior door has a sensor on it, RF keytag to disarm so there's no entrance delay will be needed (that will be finished later this month and I'll breathe a bit easier when that's done - I have a 30 second delay for now). I've also got shock and acoustic glass break detectors scattered throughout the house so any broken window should cause lots of noise, along with interior motions. The motion detectors are mostly a backup for the guys that might take their time to get in by cutting holes in windows - I don't consider them to be a primary detection method. I've got three or four big sirens in the house and it's darned loud.

I'm really hoping that it never has to work - a lot like the guys that design air bag systems for cars.

Normally I try to have my studio stuff delivered to where I work so there's no track of my real address for the courier guys.

-Dale

[heinz]

Man that completely blows ass, very sorry to hear about this. If you recorded the serial numbers of this gear you might post those... may help identify the gear quicker.

Something was in the air on Xmas eve... our family X-Box spontaneously combusted. No shit, the thing just caught on fire out of the blue, had to toss it in the backyard while it was burning. POS

[NYC Drew]

Hi Brad,

Sorry to hear about your loss...I took the liberty of cross posting on EQ mag's forums and the DA7 forum.

I agree about the alarm setup. While I don't have RF disable, I do have solid wood doors, metal doors, IP cameras sending snapshots off site...15 seconds to enter the keycode, only two doors DON'T trip the alarm. I have sensors the crawl space (between ceiling and roof) that trip a SILENT alarm to the alarm company and me.

I hope your insurance is up to date...glad St. Nick was still able to stop by your place.

NYC Drew

[TinderArts]

Brad, sorry for the theft. How people think they aren't going to pay for their actions is beyond me. It'll all catch up to them in time. I hope that your gear is recovered soon.

Please post the serial#s asap so that we can keep an eye out for ya!

Drinks on me at NAMM!!

All the best to you and yours,

Bill Plummer

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Brad;

I'm really sorry that you have to go through this. I know how you feel, as I have suffered a break-in before, it totally sucks! I must thank you for posting your experience though, as this thread has been an eye opener. Our thieves smashed a window to enter, so in response we put bars across all windows, added security doors, and installed an ADT system. The thing about a break-in is, it takes quite a while to feel safe again, actually I still don't feel as safe as before. The ADT system at least made me feel safer, now after reading some of the posts here I'm going to re-evaluate the ADT system.

[Fletcher]

From my experience, ADT works fine... and while a 30-45 second delay will indeed give a thief [or thieves] more time... that's more about a "smash and run"... which this doesn't appear to have been the case here [if you can find some people to load out that much weight in 4 minutes, I'll be damn impressed].

Things I have found with alarms [and don't ask me how... OK?], you want sonic as well as infa-red sensors... I can dress to beat most infa-red, and I can do the 'sonic shuffle" but to beat both is pretty damn difficult [well insulated clothing for infa-red... but the sonic shuffle takes a good bit of time... body heat will become an issue]... if you really want to get into it you can do the laser things too... but they're way easy to get around... magnetic tape and door sensors are harder than lasers to work around...

A phone out to ADT is all well and good... a wireless redundancy that signals when a phone line goes down is even better, it should also signal when the power drops, and you should have at very minmum 6 hours of battery backup available [you should be able to be reached within 6 hours of the facility losing power... remember the 7 day [5 day?... however long it is] waiting period... buy your duck hunting supplies well in advance.

Inside the place... spread things out. In a studio, store the power supplies in one area, some mics in another area, more mics in yet another area... in a warehouse situation... have shit all over the place [makes the smash and dash level of difficulty all that much higher].

If somebody really wants to steal something... it's going to be stolen. End of story. The thing is to keep the casual thief from being able to practice... thieves have a work ethic that is directly proportional to the quality of the score... the more difficult you make it, the more likely they will be to hit something else that will require a lesser effort to take down.

Best of luck.

[Ruphus]

Originally posted by Fletcher
thieves have a work ethic that is directly proportional to the quality of the score... the more difficult you make it, the more likely they will be to hit something else that will require a lesser effort to take down.

Best of luck.

Reminds me remotely of a test about different kind of bicycle locks a couple of years ago where a specialized person cracked them all within a couple of seconds.
The testing organization finally concluded best safe would be to park your bicycle next to a more expensive one.

Ruphus

[Randall]

2 Pit Bull dogs infected with the HIV Virus, should solve this issue

[Plush]

2 Pit Bull dogs infected with the HIV Virus, should solve this issue


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Randall Koller


The above is as stupid a quote as I've seen recently.

Plush

[Randall]

not really, look at yours, this is a tragic situation and myself or nobody is trying to discount the seriousness of it, but there is always a little room for a little humour.
I'm going to have to post a pic of a friend up the streets studio that has this sign as a warning on the front door.
"Protected by Pitbull with AIDS" it's a great sign, not true one, but great anyhow

we have addressed this matter about as seriously as possible, myself included, if you bothered to read the whole thread,

Of course, we haven't started talking about "Booby Traps" yet.
you could set up a couple small, inexpensive video cameras that are triggered by a motion detector

here's my favorite quote of yours Plush old boy:
. "Actually I'm not an asshole at all. I agree that technology made in China (whether of British design or"...blah, blah, blah

Sorry dude but I have to disagree with you, the first part in particular.....

[Henchman]

start thinming about some of your recent clients. As I have seen this happen before. And it involved somebody who either just did a session to scope the place out. or someone who only came by to check out the studio as a prospective "client".

[Plush]

thank you for your response. I read the entire thread and also agree that the situation is sorely regrettable. Whether you find me to be an asshole or not matters not a whit to me. I thought your post was simply not funny at all. I don't think it's "great" at all. I think it's stupid. And yes, I AM hacked off by all of the Chinese junque that passes for useable equipment to the uninitiated. Are you one of them?

Originally posted by Randall
not really, look at yours, this is a tragic situation and myself or nobody is trying to discount the seriousness of it, but there is always a little room for a little humour.
I'm going to have to post a pic of a friend up the streets studio that has this sign as a warning on the front door.
"Protected by Pitbull with AIDS" it's a great sign, not true but great anyhow

we have addressed this matter about as seriously as possible, myself included, if you bothered to read the whole thread,

Of course, we haven't started talking about "Booby Traps" yet.
you could set up a couple small, inexpensive video cameras that are triggered by a motion detector

here's my favorite quote of yours Plush old boy:
. "Actually I'm not an asshole at all. I agree that technology made in China (whether of British design or"...blah, blah, blah

Sorry dude but I have to disagree with you, the first part in particular.....

[Remoteness]

IMHO, there's no room for humor, unless it's from the victim themself.

[Jason Poulin]

Randall, I agree. A couple of pit bulls would have create a bad situation for the thieves. Not only they bite, they make lots of noise.

Plush, relax.

ps: Sorry to hear about the break in. I was in awe to read about what was stolen. sorry again...

Jason

[Randall]

Originally posted by Plush
thank you for your response. I read the entire thread and also agree that the situation is sorely regrettable. Whether you find me to be an asshole or not matters not a whit to me. I thought your post was simply not funny at all. I don't think it's "great" at all. I think it's stupid. And yes, I AM hacked off by all of the Chinese junque that passes for useable equipment to the uninitiated. Are you one of them?

uninitiated? hmmm LOL, Sorry Flush, I do have a Soudelux microphone, U-97, aparently with a Chinese capsule and it rocks (I'd like to hear DB chime in on this one though) on just about anything I choose to throw it on, it is highly useable and one of my more satisfying (Bang for the Buck) purchases actually, Sorry about the AIDS joke, I probably would find it in bad taste if I was a carrier too, I offer my symapathy and condolences.
Whit? What Whit? I haven't known you to have one, not even 1/2 of one.
but I can tell already you want to be my "special" friend. and thats OK, there is always room for one more. LOL

On this Equipment thing, tommorrow being Monday morning I swear I would be in contact with every Pawnbroker in town, offering a small reward for an immediate little push of the button they all have under the counters if and when any of this stuff pops up.
The odds really are that these are Junkie Dope Fiends or stupid kids, Bust em and let em rot in jail I say, personaly I think this is a case worthy of Capitol punishment, but that will never fly..unfortunately

I've been ripped off several times myself, from right under my nose at least once, trust me, I know how bad this stuff sucks.
I felt sorry for a fellow musician once and allowed him to stay at the studio for a while, while he was " getting back on his feet" big mistake and one I wont repeat, disapeared with some of my gear, including a unique Gibson L-5S that is not replacable and gigged all over the world with me, and a studio key, $$ lock change$$ and I have not seen him and can not track him down since Grrr... he dont want me to either as I am merciless about these kinds of things , there is NO freaking excuse, NONE!, I brouse E-Bay daily and will have an eye peeled for anything that may look like it's yours, thats all I can do beyond hoping on your behalf that this or these creeps are caught red-handed with your gear!

[blackcatdigi]

Very sorry to hear about the break in, Brad...

Last nite, I got a call from the monitor folks when our alarm went off... All I could think of was this thread. Fortunately, just a false alarm, but we're all vulnerable to this kind of thing.

A few years back, a friends' studio was scoped, and guys came back at midnite with guns and masks... My friend was tied up, a gun pointed at his face... He told me in confidence, that he really believed they were going to kill him...

Hopefully, you'll find these idiots, and recover your gear, or maybe at least, make out like a bandit with your insurance claims.

Glad your kids' Christmas wasn't affected...

God Bless and Happy New Year!

[chrisso]

Glad to hear the kids did OK in the end.
Other than that I can't add much more that hasn't been said.
I see myself as a 'liberal', something which I gather is a slur in the US of A.
I once did jury service though and couldn't stomach the excuses petty burglars would bring up to mitigate their situation.
It might seem too mild a statement, but I can't stand the attitude that 'I deserve to own nice things too'. That's the thing that's upset me most whenever I've been robbed.
I saved for months to buy a racing bike, only for someone to come along and take immediate ownership. I would think it's taken years of hard work and sacrifice for Brad to build up his business......but someone, who'd rather not put in the hours, wants a bit of extra cash over Christmas. It turns my stomach.
Sad thing is, most of these goods get sold on for a few measly dollars.
If you're buying a lot of stuff like DVD players and DVD's for knock down prices you are often supporting the criminal.

[Crash]

I have a relative that owns an alarm installation business that also provides the monitoring. He told me that the best deterent to a break in, is a couple of noisy dogs that are mean to boot. I would still back that up with an alarm as a cold heartless thief will kill the dogs to get around them if they mean business. Threads like this are such a bummer to read about.

Crash

[Ruphus]

I knew someone who was shot in his own bed in Switzerland. He had a mean doberman. The killer either was familiar or a genius in handling dogs. The case has never been solved.
( Didn´t want to lessen the good argument for guarding dogs, just to mention the occasional exception. )

Ruphus

[Randall]

They better be pretty damn good if they get caught in a room with a couple of Pit Bulls, they fight to the death and will not stop once provoked untill something dies, thats the beauty in the Beasts, I've had several of them, when we lived in Carmel Valley, we often turned a couple of Rattlesnakes loose in the house when we were going to be gone for a few days, Learned that one from "Wino Joe" the infamous Easyrider Magazine photographer who was a neighbor at that time, the sound of a rattler will unerve just about anybody that doesn't know how to handle them, starting a neigborhood watch program, where everyone is just aware to watch out for each other can be a great help also

[Fleaman]

Ok, here's my stupid question of the day: Can guard dogs be defeated with some nice juicy tenderloins?



Fleaman

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Fleaman
Can guard dogs be defeated with some nice juicy tenderloins?

i suspect when a dog's in attack mode, he'll ignore the nice juicy tenderloins and go straight for the theif's tender loins

[Ruphus]

Originally posted by Randall
they fight to the death and will not stop once provoked untill something dies, thats the beauty in the Beasts

Hey Randall,

To me there is no beauty in that, I rather feel bad for Pit Bulls. Do you know what it is in their genes that make them fighting mashines?
The speciality of Pit Bulls and other races known for being so goy is that they demand more affection and love than normal dogs. If the owner corresponds to their character you get the most cuddle dogs ever. ( I found this literally described circumstance prove several times. One very dear Pit Bull even didn´t know about his strength at all, he was once badly bitten by a german shepherd and didn´t know in that moment what to do about it. Remarkable that he was the most impressive build Pit Bull I have ever seen. )

They become vicious only when kept frigid. That is then when they bite into almost anything moving around them desperately in order to demonstrate solidarity and hopefully get the owner commending for their engagement.

From there the more vicious a Pit Bull or any other dog the more he has been mistreated. A pity actually.

Sorry for being contradictory.

Ruphus

[Fleaman]

Originally posted by zimv20
i suspect when a dog's in attack mode, he'll ignore the nice juicy tenderloins and go straight for the theif's tender loins

I would figure that. But the point is to avoid getting the dog all worked up and mad by 1st introducing the juicy steaks. Although I know it's most likely dog dependent

One of my favorite tricks: When dogs come charging/barking at me as I'm walking down the street (in their yards) and when they get to the fence I'm walking by, I tell them to "SIT". It seems like almost 1/2 the time they stop barking and actually SIT! Waiting for their treat to come I suspect. And if I had one, I would guess I could get a free pass from the dog to enter the property.



Fleaman

[Randall]

This thread drifted pretty far off subject, I brought up the Bulldogs as a joke,
They are Bred for the purpose of protection, to be aggresive and to fight to the death if necessary or called upon to do so, A good bulldog will lay his life down for you without reservation or hesitation, that is what they do. how many people can be counted on to be as loyal and devoted, I dare say few if any.
if you have ever been to a "roll" you know what I am talking about, these animals are "Game" and they love every flesh ripping, bone crushing second of it, they do it to please their masters as well as for self pride, and come out of the pit with a huge ear to ear grin on their ripped up mugs, if they survive. I have seen Owners bawl like babies when their dogs go down in a roll
Dont think for one second that humans are above or incapabable of finding pleasure and enjoyment in violence either, these eyes have seen it on too many occasions, one of my best friends (Joey Guy) is the WBA light-heavyweight champion and once he gets turned on he wont stop until somebody is down or out, and he lives, breathes, eats and drinks the sport
and in my 4 1/2 years of working Shore Patrol duty when I was a mere youngster, I personally saw many things during the Mariel Boatlift era, I just dont talk about and have spent over half my life trying to forget. people are the sole responsibility for every act of violence on this planet, the rest of it falls into the food chain factor, The big ones eat the little ones, way its always been, the way it will always be, we are weak pathetic little creatures in the overall scheme of things, our only advantage is inteligence and you have to question that. as undoubtedly in the end we will destroy ourselves.
It is a fact that we as humans are the only species that could go extinct on this planet and there not be any consequence or ramifications from our vanishing on any other species! in fact this world would be a better place without people on it at all! Think about that one for a while.......Damn did I get off on a rant that time........

[NYC Drew]

Just to clear up a few (dog) issues...

1. Pit bulls are certainly one of the more MENACING and intimidating types of dogs you can use to protect property.

A Rotweiller or "German shepherd" type dog are the preferred types.

2. A well trained guard dog is completely noiseless until the moment of attack. Completely noiseless.

3. Well trained guard dogs will not be distracted by foods - as a rule, they are trained to NOT be easily distracted. A well trained dog could see a double homicide going down next door and not bat an eye.


Brad, where's your gear list? We're trying to find this stuff before 2004!

[Brad Lunde]

Originally posted by NYC Drew
<SNIP>

Brad, where's your gear list? We're trying to find this stuff before 2004!

Should have it today, its taken some research to verify what's here vs what's out. Thanks for asking!

BTW, ADT was here yesterday with all kinds of helpful advice, redoing the system at N/C, making the previous method of defeat impossible. For all you ADT customers, contact the service manager and get him to visit you. With experience beyond the sales crew (because they visit burgalaries), they know more of the angles to incorporate to make your system less vunerable. I wish I had this guy from the beginning, so make the call yourself to your main office!
Brad
Brad

[blackcatdigi]

Originally posted by Brad Lunde
BTW, ADT was here yesterday with all kinds of helpful advice, redoing the system at N/C, making the previous method of defeat impossible. For all you ADT customers, contact the service manager and get him to visit you. With experience beyond the sales crew (because they visit burgalaries), they know more of the angles to incorporate to make your system less vunerable. I wish I had this guy from the beginning, so make the call yourself to your main office!

Great info! Thanks for passing this along, Brad.

Get us the list and #s, STAT!

[Bowisc]

Brad, that is a bummer. I really hope you get your stuff back with minimal damage and that these perps are busted.

I'll keep an eye out on this side of town.