Chaining compressors, less low-end reduction?

[blackcom]

i like to compressor the bass really hard to keep it in place. Howerever, it has come to my understanding that the moore gain reduction, the moore low-end reduction as a bi-effect. All I have right now is a distressor.

Thats why I was thinking off perhaps investing in one of those UA 2-1176 units..and chain all my compressors having each compressor only do a few db each..

Would this reduce low-end reduction in the end when compressing the bass?

[u b k]

Originally Posted by blackcom

Howerever, it has come to my understanding that the moore gain reduction, the moore low-end reduction as a bi-effect.

did this come to your understanding because you've been compressing and losing bottom end, or did it come to your understanding because you heard about it/read about it?

compression, at least the way i compress, tends to enhance the bottom end.


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[blackcom]

Originally Posted by u b i k

did this come to your understanding because you've been compressing and losing bottom end, or did it come to your understanding because you heard about it/read about it?

compression, at least the way i compress, tends to enhance the bottom end.


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Well, alot of people on this forum is mentioning it, so yeah, reading about it got my attention in the first place......so what is your compression methods for "enhancing" the low-end?

[heathen]

Good hardware!

[u b k]

Originally Posted by blackcom

Well, alot of people on this forum is mentioning it, so yeah, reading about it got my attention in the first place......so what is your compression methods for "enhancing" the low-end?

a lot of people talk about a lot of things, doesn't make it true .

at the risk of being flippant, my method is to use the right compressor for the task at hand, and to use it correctly. as heathen said, good hardware makes this infinitely easier; but i'm not above using software if the situation requires, and there's no reason to be losing bottom end from compressing something.

but i'm still uncertain why we're even having this discussion, so again i ask you: are you actually experiencing a loss of low end when you compress?


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[Bob Olhsson]

The traditional way is to stick an equalizer after the compressor and boost the bass!

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

The traditional way is to stick an equalizer after the compressor and boost the bass!

and/or cut the bass in a sidechain EQ...

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[danasti]

Originally Posted by blackcom

Well, alot of people on this forum is mentioning it, so yeah, reading about it got my attention in the first place......so what is your compression methods for "enhancing" the low-end?

Yeah, I read the thread about distressors cutting out the lowend too. - It's one of those half truths and an incomplete story.

If you are compressing bass sounds, sub bass or kicks you are essentially turning it down so you can turn it back up again but without the peaks.

Say you have a sub kick or bass sound with extreme peaks at 25hz and you just can't hear it in the mix. Everything gets muddy when you add in the other tracks. The idea is to compress that sound and knock down those peaks and make them more even with the rest of the sound (how much is based on how you set it). The result is that you have more headroom and now you can amplify that sound more resulting in the listener being able to hear more of it (maybe compacter is a better word?). Essentially, it's addition by subtraction as you give up dynamic range (the difference between the loudest and the quietest parts of the sound). If you have sub bass you can also use a filter to take out anything below 20hz - 25hz and compress - it works wonders. It's advisable to have fullrange speakers or a sub woofer though; so you can hear what you're doing down there.

The point is: You don't have to "lose" bass from compression because most compressors and/or the engineer employ an amplifier on the output of the comp or the input on the line amp for make-up gain. Essentially you gain bass or at least intelligibility.

Mostly, a side chain is used to avoid pumping when you are compressing a complete mix or sub group and you don't want a certain area of frequencies compressed at all.

Mostly, a side chain is used to avoid pumping when you are compressing a complete mix or sub group and you don't want a certain area of frequencies compressed at all.
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Yes, and/but... I use sidechains for live tracks where3 I want to comp the sibilants AND pops thye made singing - so sidechain is goood for more comp as well as less...

Not arguing, just adding!

[u b k]

Originally Posted by Lou Judson

Not arguing, just adding!

M: Look, this isn't an argument!
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't, it's just contradiction!
A: No it isn't!



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[blackcom]

Ok, so basically, press the HP-SC button on my distressor and add an little 25/30hz with an EQ afterwards.....

Also, I like to keep a short release to keep it moore upfront.... how about you guyes?

[toolskid]

Originally Posted by blackcom

Ok, so basically, press the HP-SC button on my distressor and add an little 25/30hz with an EQ afterwards.....

if that works.....

the reason people are being cryptic about compression here is because its an EXTREMELY context sensitive area..

play with your distressor more, its a good bit of kit.

LEVEL MATCH your processing with it so when you bypass you can actually hear what you've done rather than how much quieter you've made it!

[MarkhamCornoit]

Hello! I am having the same problem as blackcom had. Thankfully, I got some great suggestions here. I hope more discussions will further help me. Thanks!

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