Peluso P12 vs Peluso 2251

[strawdps]

Which one of these microphones would sit best in the mix with a male singer (kinda in the Bono style)?

Which one would require less Eq?

Which one is more versatile?

What would you use them on?

I know the P12 is a little less bright ...... that's all I can gather from previous posts and such.

What can you guys tell me about the character of these mics ........

[strawdps]

Anyone got any insight on the Peluso P12?

[kittonian]

Sure, the P12 will have a bit more bottom end to it than the 22 251. The 251 will be more "airy" and tends to work really well for female vocalists and higher range male vocals.

As to which one you won't need to eq, well that's a loaded question because I have no idea regarding your recording environment, what you as a vocalist sound like, etc.

The 22 47LE is also a fantastic choice for an all around workhorse mic that sounds great on everything including vocals (I used it all the time for vocals, acoustic guitar, kick, room mic, etc.).

[mml]

A bit off topic, but I've recorded a friend who is a dead ringer for Bono, and like Bono, he sounds best with a dynamic. The RE-20 through a V76 won the shootout, with a 57 a close second. Bono uses a 58. Worth considering.

[strawdps]

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

So is the goal to imitate Bono completely?

Actually I sound more like a bad version of Jeff Buckley

[Jorg]

Im interested in those 2 mics as well.
I want to buy one as well but dont know which one.
I already own a TLM103 so i dont want soemthing thats similar and i only ever record female vox!
Cant make up my mind. Does anyone have any ideas?

Unfortunately i cant test them myself cause no local dealer has one.

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by strawdps

Which one of these microphones would sit best in the mix with a male singer (kinda in the Bono style)?

The most expensive one of course

Originally Posted by strawdps

Which one would require less Eq?

look at the graphic frequency curve of the mic. The one that has a wide Q, 8 db cut ranging from 500 to 5k and looks like it is boosted at least 6db from 5k up is likely going to need the lesser EQ

Originally Posted by strawdps

Which one is more versatile?

Which ever one comes with a free pop mic and at least 2 different suspensions and one of those softy cleaning cloths.

Originally Posted by strawdps

What would you use them on?

batting practice if mounted correctly on a non boom stand.

Originally Posted by strawdps

I know the P12 is a little less bright ...... that's all I can gather from previous posts and such.

This comment is probably the reason why I'm trying to be a little bit sassy in my previous answers.

Originally Posted by strawdps

What can you guys tell me about the character of these mics ........

Nothing that would justify me trying to convince you into buying one of these mics because I have never had the priviledge of trying one myself.

Please read and try to understand and maybe possibly even accept the message I'm trying to get across here. It is impossible to give a suitable answer to your questions.
If you're anything less but serious about this business then by all means, believe every word that people might write to try to convince you into getting this or this mic.

However, if you are serious about this business ... read them with a grain of salt as big as the grand canyon and filter whatever information that you might find interesting enough to remember when you actually try them out yourself.
It IS the only way you'll be able to answer those questions yourself under the conditions and circumstances YOU are going to use them ... and then again ....

If for some reason it is impossible to try them out ... try harder ... contact the manufacturer, push the local distibutor, look for people you can 'borrow' one from ... whatever ... and if in the end you can't get a hold of them ... turn around and get something you CAN try out.

Unless of course you have enough money lying around doing nothing and you want to buy yourself a christmas present and you don't really care wether it was a good investment or not .... then by all means ... support the economy and manufacturers you like the presentation pictures of the most and ignore everything I just said.


Thanks

[strawdps]

Originally Posted by C.Lambrechts

Thank you for another perspective

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by strawdps

Thank you for another perspective

You're welcome.

[Jorg]

and still i will ask for other peoples opinions who have tried those mics before:

Which did you generally prefer on female vox:

2251 or P12?

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by Jorg

and still i will ask for other peoples opinions who have tried those mics before:

Which did you generally prefer on female vox:

2251 or P12?

I personally prefer the 251 on female vox. The P12 is a more versatile mic, has less high end, and more lows and mids. But, the 251 typically doesn't need much EQ, and doesn't suffer from midrange buildup when stacking vocals. So, for female vox the 251 would be my choice!

[strawdps]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

I personally prefer the 251 on female vox. The P12 is a more versatile mic, has less high end, and more lows and mids. But, the 251 typically doesn't need much EQ, and doesn't suffer from midrange buildup when stacking vocals. So, for female vox the 251 would be my choice!

Where does the 2247LE fit into all of this ........ what are some of the main uses for it ..... (vox (female, male) acoustic guitar........

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by strawdps

Where does the 2247LE fit into all of this ........ what are some of the main uses for it ..... (vox (female, male) acoustic guitar........

The 47 LE is very different sounding... almost like salt, compared to the 251's pepper. Darker, and bigger sounding with more midrange push.. I can email you some samples of the 251 & 47 LE if you were really interested in hearing the difference...

[strawdps]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

The 47 LE is very different sounding... almost like salt, compared to the 251's pepper. Darker, and bigger sounding with more midrange push.. I can email you some samples of the 251 & 47 LE if you were really interested in hearing the difference...

Yeah ............... please send those!!!

Thanks

[castle]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

I can email you some samples of the 251 & 47 LE if you were really interested in hearing the difference...

Can you post them here so we can all hear? THANKS!

[kittonian]

It's not an "a/b comparison" but we did a recording here a while back using the 22 251 (female vox), 22 47LE (taylor 914ce body), CEMC6 (taylor 914ce top of neck) and have had it posted at the bottom of the page on www.audiolot.com/proaudio/sales/peluso for quite some time.

The entire signal chain is described and no eq/comp was in use. This was a quick, down and dirty 30 minute recording project because so many people were asking for sound samples (back when Peluso was hardly a known name).

[Jorg]

I like the guitars.
Not too keen on the vocals tho.

[strawdps]

Thanks for the audio samples Kittonian

That helps thumbsup

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by strawdps

Thanks for the audio samples Kittonian

That helps thumbsup

My pleasure.

The girl who is singing on that track had never sung before but when we did it we needed a female voice to show off the 22 251's airy qualities. It may not be the "best performance ever" but I think it definitely shows off the qualities of the mic. Plus, when was the last time you didn't compress or eq a vocal on a recording? Remember that this is completely raw.

[strawdps]

Kittonian,

I think it sounds great !!

Would you say the 2247LE is more versatile? (Acoustic, Vox, etc.)

My voice is kind of like Thom Yorke (Radiohead) or Chris Martin (Coldplay) ...... I don't want to sound just like them but for this type of voice which Peluso would work best?

[kittonian]

yes, I would say the 22 47LE is definitely a more versatile microphone, just as the original U47 was a versatile microphone. From vocals, to acoustic instruments, to room mics, to amplifiers (guitar and bass), and anything else you can think of, the 22 47LE is definitely worth a shot. I use it on so many things and it never fails to amaze.

the nice thing about the peluso's is that they aren't ridiculously expensive and so you can actually buy both the 22 47LE and the 22 251 for less than the price of one of their competitor's microphones (not mentioning any names).

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by strawdps

Yeah ............... please send those!!!

Thanks

Email me at: tony@highprofileaudio.com, and I'll send them over.

Originally Posted by castle

Can you post them here so we can all hear? THANKS!

I have a hard time posting mp3s on GS, and they are just me reading the mic description into the microphone. Anyone who wants to hear them can email me, and I'll send them over.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by strawdps

My voice is kind of like Thom Yorke (Radiohead) or Chris Martin (Coldplay) ...... I don't want to sound just like them but for this type of voice which Peluso would work best?

I have a client with a similar voice and he preferred the 251... you'll be able to tell right away when you hear the samples which one will suit your voice, though. They are tonal opposites.

[ootle]

A quick test for all to listen: No Bono though!!!!

www.ootlesound.com/peluso_test.html

Ootle

took the link off, sorry!

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by ootle

A quick test for all to listen: No Bono though!!!!

www.ootlesound.com/peluso_test.html

Ootle

Thanks for the link!!!

I prefer the P12 on his voice. Not that the 2251 is bad. Just a question of taste.

BTW: You dont happen to have female vox comparison for those two mics??

[ootle]

No, no female vox on this one. Does she have to sing or is spoken word enough? Later this month I'm recording a female singer with these mics.

Ootle

[ootle]

I might have to move these files, because my provider says I'm cloggin up the system.

Ootle

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by ootle

No, no female vox on this one. Does she have to sing or is spoken word enough? Later this month I'm recording a female singer with these mics.

Ootle

Singing would be great! Anytime before Christmas would do!

Thanks for those files again thumbsup

[NOCCA]

I don't have any comparison files, but I could put up a sample of some female vox using the P12 in a mix if anyone would like.

[bgc]

I just did some recording with a male singer for which we were redoing parts recorded on a 47 with the Peluso 22 251 and the Peluso worked much better for his voice. He has a high and clear voice - Keith Whitley without the accent. I find it incredibly versatile. I've never tried the P12 but I would recommend the 251.



Eric