Gyraf Audio Gyratec XXI Magneto-Dynamic Infundibulum....
Gyraf Audio - Gyratec XXI
Received a very favourable review in this months SOS
Product Review - Gyraf Audio Gyratec XXI Magneto-Dynamic Infundibulum
"The Ultimate Passive Analogue Clipper: G21 Magneto-Dynamic Infundibulum..."
Obviously theres not much user feedback whatsoever yet but has anyone got any experience/views on this thing?
I'm looking for another comp but i have just noticed this and this interests me more than the comps i was looking at so im thinking about getting this to Demo before i commit.
We have been presenting the G21 in the products alert subforum - http://www.gearslutz.com/board/produ...gyraf-g21.html
It could probably take a while before user comments starts coming in: We're running production at max. capacity, and still only finishing on average one G21 a week.
As a new Infundibulum owner, Jakob has asked me to make some comments on the unit. I emailed Jakob yesterday to express how happy I am with the unit, and he got back and pointed me here.
I should note that I don't have any affiliation with Gyraf, blah blah - I've had a G14 for 3-4 years and love it, Gyraf have been great when dealing with them, and that's that. I'm posting here out of a desire to help explain a bit about the unit, and hopefully encourage some sales for Jakob as it's something very special. It sounds f#cking GREAT.
I've had the unit for a week, using it every day. Usually with such a complicated unit I'd spend a good while with it before letting it go 'live' on client's masters. That hasn't been the case here, as it's already proved invaluable in a number of cases.
I've included some thoughts I wrote in an email to Jakob below, they may help a bit. Anyone is welcome to ask anything, though I dunno how useful I'll be...
Actually, while using the unit today it struck me. That is, maybe the simplest way to describe what it does in plain terms.
Forgetting the full band clipper - it's a clipper - for now, the simplest way to describe the band clippers is that they can make things disappear, often inaudibly/invisibly.
I had a poky hi hat up around 13k a minute ago. Tune the band with the cut, set to clip, turn the level down and there goes your Hi hat. Not all the air at 13k, only the hi hat. The thing is it's sometimes so 'invisible' that you have to be very very careful not to overdo it.
Similar with those annoying overcooked kicks in electronic stuff (actually the same track) - big warm gorgeous pad, tubby 190Hz-centric kick. Eq out the kick, pad suffers. Use traditional MB/narrow band compression and you have to sort the time constants to make sure you avoid jumpy stuff and get no distortion. With the infundibulum, you tune it, clip, turn it down and the tubby punch just... disappears.
I should note that there are of course limits. I had to take out a LOT of dynamic low end crap in a tune yesterday, down at 60Hz or so (a really dynamic 808-style kick), and some compromises had to be made, spreading the load a bit between eq, MLA3 low band and the Infundibulum. Doing it all with the unit did cause some distortion. But even then, I was very impressed at how little there really was considering the freq range and amount of work. I'm talking up to 12dB or something here. Really remarkable.
The thing about eq is that you take everything out, even when it's only a transient (in the short term/occasional sense) problem. MB/NB comps are similar, but with the time constants causing their own problems. With this, you can just pull that poky problem crap back into the mix, but only when it needs to.
Oh, and the sound.
Thing about removing annoying, cluttering, space-occupying rubbish is that when you take the unit out of bypass (when you have it set right!), it sounds like everything just has that much more room, but without just sucking stuff out. This allows everything in a mix that much more room to breathe, and it all just feels easier as a result.
That would be my summation of the sound of the process (at least, the 3 band clippers). When it comes to the sound of the unit itself (as per the usual Gearslutz protocol), well I'd say that it has a rich, classy sound. Smooth, not at all when you might be expecting from a device labelled as a clipper. Obviously the sound of the process and the unit are sort of indivisible, but I thought making a false distinction might be useful.
Sorry being a bit brief but I'm typing on my phone as the thoughts strike me :)
that wasn't brief, thanks for the in depth review.kfhkh
Im still interested in this. I had to commit already to 2 cheaper but more versatile comps, but i would love to give this a try. Dont think i could fit it in here now as im "full-up", but if it proved a must-have then i could easily make room for it.
I too was put off abit by the SOS review part that stated it wasnt very suited to electronic. The rest of the review was great though. Ease/quickness of use is important but i aslo like the idea of a more experimental unit. Also i liked the audio demos i heard, and i didnt understand why this wouldnt be useful with electronic music. You verifying that has made me much interested in taking this thing for a test drive.
Technically im at the end of my buget so i hope i hate it gooof
Looks great btw Jakob and good to see something a little different on the market!
Who buy me one?
I've decided i dont want one now
But I will buy one for you instead
That's so kind, I can pay for shiping to France if you want :)
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Guys, it's great that the word seems to spread – this is a beautiful piece of gear!
I though I'd chime in here... I'm the author of the SOS review. I find it interesting that different people come to different results with the G21. But probably that's totally normal, as with any piece of gear. Over the course of my review I have talked to a few other people with good experience with the G21, and some of them liked the unit for electronic music as well. So ultimately it comes down to this: It really depends on your tastes and working methods (and your alternatives) if you can make something work in a given environment. I stand by everything I said in the review, but even though I try to be as objective as possible when reviewing equipment it's no surprise at all that other people may come to different conclusions.
I have to say though that I have a lot of experience mixing EDM (I think the reference list on my website really speaks for itself...), and I really tried to make the G21 work for me for that part of my daily work, as I am really fond of what it can do for me working on other genres.
But that being said, my working methods might be considered a bit unusual at times. I rarely ever use mix buss processing when mixing EDM, I don't like multiband compressors all that much, I always (re-)tune the drums before I even start to touch EQs and I have never, ever been using sidechain compression as a tool to make room for bass drum and bass (because I am employing other, less obtrusive and – for me – better means instead).
What I am trying to say is that my statement about the G21 and EDM doesn't come out of nowhere at all, but to me it's totally obvious that other engineers may come to different conclusions – that's the very nature of our work.
So please take my statements with a grain of salt and try the G21 out for yourself. And if you like it for EDM work – fine, I'm happy for you! heh
Air mate, I bought the review, it was very informative, and I was happy to see some inside pictures. It gave a better understanding about the technical aspects of how it works. Such an excellent magazine, really the only one I trust in terms of opinion.
I forgot to say that I am happy to dicuss the review (and all other aspects of the G21) here. So feel free to ask if you have any questions...
What sort of insertion loss are we talking with the G21.
I like the concept, a lot.
G21 insertion loss depends a bit on the output impedance of the previous (driving) unit - but on average I see losses between 1.5dB and 3dB (unit IN, no clipping). Not really problematic in most setups.
Is the unit transformer isolated as well? oops just downloaded the manual - sorry.
Nothing to see, move along!
Though I am curious about the Tube biasing extension, if you care to give us any crumbs...
good to see some update on this. Still intrigued by it...
I just came in here to post again after another week or so with the unit, to express how much I am enjoying it.
The period since my last post here has been the most intense of my (comparatively short) career, and the GXXI has made coping with the workload easier than it might have been. Such a wonderful box. I'll write more when I have some time, but I am totally in love with it.
Insertion loss: I have the G14 before it in most cases, and I see about 2.5dB or so.
I also really want to apologise to airmate - my language was crass (see above about work pressure) but I meant no disrespect. The review was great, perhaps I was just keen to show support for the unit in an electronic music mastering context. My apologies. FWIW I share your views on drums, sidechaining and the like 100%!
Back to work...
Thanks, much appreciated! I'm glad you enjoy working with the G21 so much...
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