Good stands for Barefoots MM27s?

[Dirty Halo]

Any recommendations? I have some good solid monitor stands (and these can't go on the console), they were for Mackie HR824, but the MM27 are taller and a lot heavier and want to make sure they are not too top heavy, among other things.

Any good recommendations?

Thanks,

Andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

[Matthew Murray]

I was thinking about this too. And D.H., if it's not too much of a hijak, could we also be on the prowl for good stands for them in horizontal position? I want to put them in horizontal, as they have to be slightly higher up (about 43" high) and don't want them towering too much higher than my seated position....

[Dirty Halo]

i've been debating the same issue, I think it has been covered, but is there a recommended "better" position?

Anyway, stand recommendations for both positions wuld be appreciated.

Peace.

Andrews

DIRTY HALO www.dirtyhalo.com

[crna59]

Probaby the best stands are:

Sound Anchor

Regards,
Bruce

[raal]

http://www.soundanchors.com/

[Matthew Murray]

Dirty -- I believe that Mr. Barefoot stresses that the differences between vertical and horizontal are quite negligible, if I'm correct in interpreting his posts here on the subject.

[barefoot]

The low end is the same, but the mids definitely have differences due to the differences in horizontal and vertical dispersion.

I had Sound Anchors build stands specifically for the MM27. They're based on their Adjustable Studio Monitor stands http://www.soundanchors.com/page9.html with special "forks" that attach to the pedestal bolts. They allow for either vertical or horizontal positions. However, call them and make sure they have all the dimensions worked out. I think they do now. But I gave them dimensions about three times and they had a little trouble getting it right.

Thomas

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by barefoot

The low end is the same, but the mids definitely have differences due to the differences in horizontal and vertical dispersion.

I had Sound Anchors build stands specifically for the MM27. They're based on their Adjustable Studio Monitor stands http://www.soundanchors.com/page9.html with special "forks" that attach to the pedestal bolts. They allow for either vertical or horizontal positions. However, call them and make sure they have all the dimensions worked out. I think they do now. But I gave them dimensions about three times and they had a little trouble getting it right.

Thomas

I have a feeling this has been covered, so my apologies, but given what you say above, what do YOU recommend as he most accurate and "correct" position for the Barefoot MM27s?

thanks,

Andrews

DIRTY HALO ww.dirtyhalo.com

[barefoot]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

I have a feeling this has been covered, so my apologies, but given what you say above, what do YOU recommend as he most accurate and "correct" position for the Barefoot MM27s?

No problem. The vertical orientation gives the widest and most even horizontal dispersion. And since we are terrestrial animals who tend to move around more in the horizontal plane than in the vertical plane, even horizontal dispersion is more useful. So standing the speakers vertically is better in my opinion..... sounds better to me too.

On the other hand, horizontal just works better for some people. Who am I to argue with their good results?

Thomas

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by barefoot

No problem. The vertical orientation gives the widest and most even horizontal dispersion. And since we are terrestrial animals who tend to move around more in the horizontal plane than in the vertical plane, even horizontal dispersion is more useful. So standing the speakers vertically is better in my opinion..... sounds better to me too.

On the other hand, horizontal just works better for some people. Who am I to argue with their good results?

Thomas

Thank you! And that, as they say, is that.

-andrews

[Matthew Murray]

To expand on this, then... perhaps a bit too far...

In the seated position, I'm about four feet away from the barefoots, and I'm 43" off the ground. People on the listening couch are more like 10-12 feet away from the barefoots, but even lower to the ground (maybe 30" from the floor).

Due to the way my desks are set up, the Barefoots were going to be around 43-45" inches from the floor. That's why I was planning on going horizontal... the question is, if I put them vertical at that height, will some of that "magic" be too far above my ears?

Of course I plan on listening to see which works better when they arrive, but would love to hear some input on this from the man himself!

[wyomingbound]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Any recommendations? I have some good solid monitor stands (and these can't go on the console), they were for Mackie HR824, but the MM27 are taller and a lot heavier and want to make sure they are not too top heavy, among other things.

For maximum clarity, I typically like to have a monitor's tweeter right at ear level. Based on Barefoot MM27 specs of 20.5 inches high, the tweeter would be about 10 inches from the bottom edge (vertical orientation).

So far, I was looking at these stands:

Raxxess 36" and 42" stands
http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=226

When sitting in my chair at listening position, my ear is 45" from the ground. With the Raxxess 36", that would place the +10" Barefoot tweeter @ 46" .... close enough for me. If I put rubber isolators in between speaker platform and the Barefoot, that would raise it slightly more.

Based on Thomas' comments, I will research the Sound Anchor stands some more.

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by wyomingbound

For maximum clarity, I typically like to have a monitor's tweeter right at ear level. Based on Barefoot MM27 specs of 20.5 inches high, the tweeter would be about 10 inches from the bottom edge (vertical orientation).

So far, I was looking at these stands:

Raxxess 36" and 42" stands
http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=226

When sitting in my chair at listening position, my ear is 45" from the ground. With the Raxxess 36", that would place the +10" Barefoot tweeter @ 46" .... close enough for me. If I put rubber isolators in between speaker platform and the Barefoot, that would raise it slightly more.

Based on Thomas' comments, I will research the Sound Anchor stands some more.

Given the 65 pound weight per monitor and the higher verical position of the speakers, would a stand like the one someone postd above be a safe stand for these?

-andrews

[wyomingbound]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Given the 65 pound weight per monitor and the higher verical position of the speakers, would a stand like the one someone postd above be a safe stand for these?

I was concered about the same thing. Worried that it was going to be too wobbly. If it was unstable, I was thinking of glueing/screwing the base of the Raxxess to a larger homemade plywood base. And/or possibly make more modifications. The MM27 is unusual weight for its geometry that it seems like nothing out of the typical gear catalogs (Sweetwater, etc) will work perfectly.

Of course, all this carpentry may be much more hassle than just paying 3x more for the custom Sound Anchor. But Thomas didn't exactly give an absolute 100% recommendation on the Sound Anchors either. (Although I might have misinterpreted his wording.)

[barefoot]

Originally Posted by Matthew Murray

In the seated position, I'm about four feet away from the barefoots, and I'm 43" off the ground. People on the listening couch are more like 10-12 feet away from the barefoots, but even lower to the ground (maybe 30" from the floor).

Due to the way my desks are set up, the Barefoots were going to be around 43-45" inches from the floor. That's why I was planning on going horizontal... the question is, if I put them vertical at that height, will some of that "magic" be too far above my ears?

It's not a matter of absolute offset from the tweeter axis. What matters is the angle. So, the further you are back from the speakers, the less critical the offset. For example, if you have the tweeter on axis to your 43"/4' listening position, the 30"/11' couch position will only be about 5 degrees off axis. That's a pretty small angle, whether the speakers are vertical or horizontal. The most you will loose is a couple of dB off the very top end of the spectrum above 17kHz where most adults are practically deaf anyway.

The vertical position puts the tweeter 3.75" higher than the horizontal position. That translates to about 4.5 degrees at 4 feet. Considering you have 5 degrees at the couch and 4.5 degrees at your position, it seems to me that the best solution is to mount the speakers vertically and angle them down about 5 degrees. This puts the tweeter on axis with both positions. A non-slip pad under the speaker and a small spacer at the back should do the trick. The Sound Anchors stands also have adjustable bolts that let you tilt the monitors.

Thomas

[Matthew Murray]

Thanks Thomas!

[surflounge]

I am looking forward to purchasing some Barefoot monitors, and I am searching for the best stands. Does anyone know who makes this monitor stand? (not pictured with a Barefoot speaker, but only shot I could find)
http://honestmachine.com/monitorstand.jpg

Thank you from Joe Fleming

[Tetness]

Sound anchors makes stands that custom fit the MM27s.

http://www.vintageking.com/New-Brand...Monitor-Stands

http://www.soundanchors.com/

[Getafix]

Hi guys,

So i just got word from Vintage King that my Barefoots are ready!

I can't afford the shipping for the sound anchor stands, a friend of mine is coming to visit me from the UK so i could order these:

MS-45B2 Studio Monitor Stand

They have a load capacity of 34Kg (the MM27's are 32Kg), but the top plate is smaller in depth.

So i'm wondering if Thomas or someone else can chime in & comment on the MM27 + MS45B2 combo. Thanks!

[Getafix]

You do realize he asked the question back in 2006?!

[dhiltonlittle]

Originally Posted by s-cube

You do realize he asked the question back in 2006?!

haha! just to keep the party rolling, i got the sound anchors with mine. vert position angled down VERY slightly. tweeters right at ear level. the SA stands are solid and very easy to set up/adjust.

[barefoot]

Originally Posted by s-cube

MS-45B2 Studio Monitor Stand

They have a load capacity of 34Kg (the MM27's are 32Kg), but the top plate is smaller in depth.

So i'm wondering if Thomas or someone else can chime in & comment on the MM27 + MS45B2 combo. Thanks!

Due to their force cancellation design, the MM27 sonics are not affected much by whichever stands you use. However, I would worry about stability with these particular stands. The base looks small and the triangular shape makes it easier to topple over than a rectangular base. Maybe you could have a simple wood or metal base plate made? Bolt it to the stand using the threaded holes where the floor spikes go. Then, if you want, you can put floor spikes on the corners of the new base plate. You can buy floor spikes at Parts Express and many other places.

Hope the drawing makes sense.

[Dirty Halo]

Old thread, I know, but I got the Sound Anchor or whatever they are called... the stnads that are made for the Barefoot MM27s.

Fantastic stands and THE place you want to be under in case of an earthquake!

Seriously, heavy duty, come in palettes... ounce mounted, I couldn't imagine another stand working as well... or heck, even working.

-andrews

[Getafix]

Originally Posted by barefoot

Due to their force cancellation design, the MM27 sonics are not affected much by whichever stands you use. However, I would worry about stability with these particular stands. The base looks small and the triangular shape makes it easier to topple over than a rectangular base. Maybe you could have a simple wood or metal base plate made? Bolt it to the stand using the threaded holes where the floor spikes go. Then, if you want, you can put floor spikes on the corners of the new base plate. You can buy floor spikes at Parts Express and many other places.

Hope the drawing makes sense.

Thank you Thomas, that makes perfect sense & seems like a good solution to their design flaw!

[bomer]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Old thread, I know, but I got the Sound Anchor or whatever they are called... the stnads that are made for the Barefoot MM27s.

Fantastic stands and THE place you want to be under in case of an earthquake!

Seriously, heavy duty, come in palettes... ounce mounted, I couldn't imagine another stand working as well... or heck, even working.

-andrews

As an owner of the MM27s and the SA stands I think it is important to point out what I consider a minor design flaw in the Sound Anchor stands that could be fixed relatively easily. The piece of metal that holds that speakers to the stands is fairly thin and the speakers will easily move on the horizontal axis when touched. There can also be movement in the vertical axis when the speaker is touched. This obviously not desired.

I mentioned this to the folks at VK after I got the speakers set up and was told that they would look into it. I never heard back from them (I really didn't expect to).

OK....you don't touch the speakers when you are listening to them but the whole point of good stands is to eliminate all movement of the speakers. Audiophile speakers are usually spiked to the floor to eliminate micromovements of the speakers caused by the sound coming out of them and to reduce vibrations getting into the speakers from excited room boundaries.

Practically speaking the speakers are wonderful and if there is blurring of the sonic image due to micromovements it is hasn't proven to be a big deal for mixing. For really critical listening I believe it is an issue. But the addition of another piece of metal in the opposite axis as the one that attaches the speaker to the stand would fix the problem. In fact, the shelf that comes with the speaker stand that was modified to become the MM27 stand might work to fix the problem (look on the Sound Anchor website to see that stand). ADJUSTABLE SPEAKER STANDS

I hope Thomas can chime in on this topic. Perhaps the MM27 stand has been already modified since I purchased them to address this problem.

[RoundBadge]

you must have o9lder stands.mine are rock solid.no movement whatsoever.

[darkwater]

Yeah, me neither solid here as well.

[bomer]

Are your stands built like this one? Mine are like these. There is one relatively thin piece of metal that holds the speaker attachment to the stand. The speakers will move if lightly touched. Most speaker stands hold the speakers rock solid even when the speakers are touched. At high volumes (with bass heavy music) the speakers are vibrating and probably moving.

Don't get me wrong.....I love my MM27s. And the stands are really close to being perfect. If there is a new version of the stands I would like to know so I can upgrade and get total stability.

Thanks a bunch....

[Tetness]

That's strange. First we heard of that. Several friends of mine have old stands and they don't have that issue.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by bomer

Are your stands built like this one? Mine are like these. There is one relatively thin piece of metal that holds the speaker attachment to the stand. The speakers will move if lightly touched. Most speaker stands hold the speakers rock solid even when the speakers are touched. At high volumes (with bass heavy music) the speakers are vibrating and probably moving.

Don't get me wrong.....I love my MM27s. And the stands are really close to being perfect. If there is a new version of the stands I would like to know so I can upgrade and get total stability.

Thanks a bunch....

That doesn't sound right at all
Can you show me a close up of your actual stand?
sounds like some holding screws aren't there.how many are on there?
there should be 4
mine are ROCK solid.
no way they can shift or move,no waystike