SSL 6000 G questions

[jeffsochor]

4 power supplies doesn't sound right. What's in the power supply rack traditionally is the computer itself, two power supplies, and a changeover, all rather similar looking. The consoles can be run at 110 or 220. Our control rooms have 7.5 ton air conditioners, they will be working 12 months out of the year. Except during the coldest months of winter, the console will adequately heat your control room, at least the E and J series will. Module wise, the only real difference between 4K and 6K is the Quad panning / A+B+C bussing.

EDIT-You will absolutely need an additional HVAC feed for your power supplies, but if you have a climate controlled machine room that will do.

[lawrence_o]

Hi,

First, the 6000 has a power supply for the console itself (master section and modules).
2nd Power Supply is for the Bar Graphs
3rd Power supply is for the computer.

There is no 4th power supply normally.

The console, when fully switched on generates way less heat than e.g. a neve but still, you could really use airco in the summer. After all, the console is not the only thing in the room. I suppose you have AD converters, some keyboards, Mic Pres or whatever.

It might be nice to know you can switch the 6000 on per 8 channels so if you only need 16 you don't need to switch them all on. Sometimes, when not all the channels are on some functions like the solo behave not the way you'd expect them though...

Currently I don't have airco (not staying in that building much longer) and in the summer, when I'm mixing, I am really sitting their with just my boxershort on and than I can bear it . However, with client sitting next to ya that would be somewhat unprofessional (unless you're fortunate enough to 'do' Natasha Bedingfield or something ).

Now here's something important: SSL is stopping ALL support for older series like your 6000 as from 2008! This means if you're having problems you can start looking for spare parts on the net. A BIG problem for you (and me) will be the bar graphs as they wear out and then there will be no more way for you to get them fixed. Eventually you'll end up getting good old VU's again.

May I ask the price they ask for that G? Is it really a G? Does it say G on the desk itself and does it have small disks or does it have the big floppies? People oftenly sell an E/G for a G but they are NOT the same!

Cheers
Lawrence

[Zwinter]

Originally Posted by gainreduction

If all modules are taken out, can the frame be taken apart ? I have narrow stairs to the studio and bringing the console in one piece is impossible.

I am not entirely sure (I don't have a SSL frame in front of me), but if I remember correctly the individual buckets are bolted together. So you should be able to undo the bolts and move each bucket through the hallways.

[lawrence_o]

Sorry I forgot to answer that one.

Can it be taken apart?

The answer is: Yes, it can completely be taken apart BUT it's a HELL of a lot work!
Why? Well the patch panels go in big bundles of cables to all the sections of the console. So you'd have to take that apart and in the process you'll damage the console somehow. I got my 6000 in through the room to avoid that!

Regards

[gainreduction]

Originally Posted by lawrence_o

Hi,

Eventually you'll end up getting good old VU's again.

May I ask the price they ask for that G? Is it really a G? Does it say G on the desk itself and does it have small disks or does it have the big floppies? People oftenly sell an E/G for a G but they are NOT the same!

Cheers
Lawrence

It has VU's already !

As for the PSU's, I've only seen a picture of them and there was four black PSU-looking units. I just assumed they were all psu's but of course one of them is the computer.

It is a real G, it says G on the meterbridge. There's nothing suspicious about it. The seller is the public service broadcasting company in my country. It comes out of one of their TV-studios.

It's 32 mono and 8 stereo channels, remote patch, 1989. Master section recapped, switches on channels replaced recently. Well maintained, as you would expect from a big broadcasting company with full-time techs.

It's an auction so the price could be anything... but the current high bid is about 6000 euro. They have sold a couple of these on similar auctions and the prices have been very low. Most people don't know about the auction taking place, you need to know where to look and there are not many buyers 'round here. Also, it's out of the inventory list and they have no interest in getting the highest possible prices, they just wanna get rid of it before the digital console arrives.

Now, if I only had a bigger control room.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by lawrence_o

Hi,

First, the 6000 has a power supply for the console itself (master section and modules).

If he goes over 40 channels he will definitely need 2 supplies.

SSL recommends one supply up to 32-40 channels.

Past 32-40 they recommend another.

Also if your power supply goes down(which happens) you don't want to get stuck with nothing.

Yeah you will need a machine room and Hvac for it.

If you don't want to take it apart hire a crane and pull it through the window into your studio(how it was done in the old days).

Heck for 6000 Euros you are saving tons of pennies so hiring a crane for a day should be nothing.

[lawrence_o]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

If he goes over 40 channels he will definitely need 2 supplies.

SSL recommends one supply up to 32-40 channels.

Past 32-40 they recommend another.

Hi,
Didn't know that. Only know I had a 56 channel running on 1 power supply and it held very well BUT it was not the standard SSL PSU. The standard consumes too much. I have a special one that eats only half the power...

Anyway 6000 is WAY to low for that console. A fair price would be 35.000 to 40.000 these days. Good luck I'd say you lucky bastard

[gainreduction]

Originally Posted by lawrence_o

Anyway 6000 is WAY to low for that console. A fair price would be 35.000 to 40.000 these days. Good luck I'd say you lucky bastard

Well, there's still some time left on the auction... I think I will wait until near the end and see where it stands. If it's still low I think I'll try to get it.

Problem is, I really think I need a new studio space if I get the SSL. But if the price stays very low I might just buy it and put it into storage until I find a new, bigger space.

Thanx for your input guys.

[lawrence_o]

Originally Posted by gainreduction

Well, there's still some time left on the auction... I think I will wait until near the end and see where it stands. If it's still low I think I'll try to get it.

Problem is, I really think I need a new studio space if I get the SSL. But if the price stays very low I might just buy it and put it into storage until I find a new, bigger space.

Thanx for your input guys.

Hi Thanks for the info on mail. You should really get that console. I don't think it is that big since it has no producer's desk and remote patch panels. That makes carrying it and installing it way more easy. When installing / shipping, all the modules are taken out. That console will not way too much anymore then. For a low price you should really go for it. The Mic Pres are very good despite what some here say. I did tests between the focusrite red series Mic Pre and the SSL, both going through a CL1B compressor, both going to Pro Tools and there was NO difference audible at all. So these pre's are very good for vocals. I feel the differences they might reveal on drums or other instruments can certainly be flattend out with EQ. These are also very good and your G seems to have the blacks. They are great.

Good advice: this is a bargain!

One thing though, these consoles are subject to maintenance. Something will get broken after some time and SSL is way too expensive to let them fix it. So you'll need a friend in electronics who can help you out, one who knows SSL consoles well. That's important!

Good luck, get it!

Cheers Lawrence

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