Blackspade UM25C demo pair in LA?
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12th January 2013
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Blackspade UM25C demo pair in LA?

Looking for more drum overhead options.
The Bock 251's are really nice,more $ too.
Anyone have a line on demoing some UM25C's?
Thanks!
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yo badge, these are amazing mic's for the money
I absolutely love mine! Want another one, ASAP
might need to scoop up a UM17R first though

Definitely a mojo mic that has blissfully bright, clear sound...and its deadly quiet too,
The telefunken 800 series tube is magic in this thing...kind of a different beast...

The sound/tone is sweet, full and flattering. Its got a creamy tone in the midrange, compared to the "etched" out sound I hear on so many other mics. That tube has a higher clipping point compared to others and is chalk full of even order harmonic love.

I don't think this tube has been used in any other mics...

The top end does not "zip", it's much more "liquid" and softer. The patterns all sound great, I am very happy with this mic. FWIW, I have a bunch of clients using these for Overheads. They work great there.

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Cool.
Yeah I'm looking at something in the 251/c12 vibe for drums.
My room has plenty of low end and mid bark.
Just want something with good body/depth and expensive sounding open/ pretty top .

How would you say they compare to old 414eb's on overs?
Thnx!
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cool RB,
I would say, they have more cozy vibe to them. Maybe more "glossy" compared to those 414's
Def has that 'air' and shimmer to it, with great "quickness". A lively response but intimate. Its easy on your ears and non-harsh. Kinda perfect for cymbal accents.
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Nice.
Sounds promising.
Now go get a pair in my room and see if they actually "fit".
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yo badge, these are amazing mic's for the money
I absolutely love mine! Want another one, ASAP
might need to scoop up a UM17R first though

Definitely a mojo mic that has blissfully bright, clear sound...and its deadly quiet too,
The telefunken 800 series tube is magic in this thing...kind of a different beast...

The sound/tone is sweet, full and flattering. Its got a creamy tone in the midrange, compared to the "etched" out sound I hear on so many other mics. That tube has a higher clipping point compared to others and is chalk full of even order harmonic love.

I don't think this tube has been used in any other mics...

The top end does not "zip", it's much more "liquid" and softer. The patterns all sound great, I am very happy with this mic. FWIW, I have a bunch of clients using these for Overheads. They work great there.

peace
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Used in the Miktek CV4
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I stand corrected!
Makes sense, since Oliver helped design them
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Ok, after checking on this (in the interest of keeping the facts straight)

I was incorrect, the tube is not an 800 series and runs on a different voltage than the 800 series does.

So, it is a different tube from what is used in the Miktek mic, and has not been used in other mics.

Pretty esoteric stuff,

In any event, It matters not,
RB will test em and let us know how they sound

peace
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if I can find a pair I would love to report back.
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Since their arrival I have been using them for all overhead drum duties. They are extremely detailed and they have a very long "throw". More often than not I do not need to use mics on the toms. They are also very very loud!!! And even more quiet. Very little gain is needed if any.
I wish we were closer in proximity, I'd let you use mine to check out.
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if I can find a pair I would love to report back.
If you score a demo pair see if they can find their way over here as well.

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Since apparently they have the same capsule, I'd love to see how the 25C compares to my Flea 12's.

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If you score a demo pair see if they can find their way over here as well.

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Since their arrival I have been using them for all overhead drum duties. They are extremely detailed and they have a very long "throw". More often than not I do not need to use mics on the toms. They are also very very loud!!! And even more quiet. Very little gain is needed if any.
I wish we were closer in proximity, I'd let you use mine to check out.
Cool.Good to hear Mike.
Yeah I use the 414ebs as a kinda workhorse overhead.
Good image capture and take eq well.

More Depth and detail without paying 10 grand is the goal.
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The UM25c's would be a serious upgrade to the 414's. They also sound pretty damn good on vocals, piano, acoustic guitar, and anything else sparkly. This mic extends very low too, this is by no means a thin mic.
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The UM25c's would be a serious upgrade to the 414's. They also sound pretty damn good on vocals, piano, acoustic guitar, and anything else sparkly. This mic extends very low too, this is by no means a thin mic.
Cool.
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Damnit...stop...you're making me want one again.
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Damnit...stop...you're making me want one again.
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Interesting convo w/ Oliver [TAB]. just telling me the he highly recommends getting the regular 25's for drum duties..I guess they can handle higher spl/plosive stuff better.
interesting as I'd like to have the option to have these on vocals, piano,gtr..quiet detail stuff etc.
always nice to have another great "everything pair" that excels on drums.
I just thought the C versions would be the best all rounders for everything.
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So, (since I've never used them yet) would I be correct in drawing the conclusion that they don't pay as much attention to the transient as some LDCs do but maintain fantastic high end response, even and true all the way up through the "air" zone?

Because if that's the case, they're what I'm looking for too!!
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I just think its really strange that the supposedly "better" CK12 style capsule would make it LESS usable on drums.
never had a prob with Elams/414eb/C12's on loud rock drums.
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That is just one mans opinion and preference.
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I say trust your instincts and your own experiences and try a pair of the 'C' variant as your drum overheads.
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I just think its really strange that the supposedly "better" CK12 style capsule would make it LESS usable on drums.
never had a prob with Elams/414eb/C12's on loud rock drums.

Strange also..........
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That is just one mans opinion and preference.
The man happens to be the designer of the mic.
That particular opinion carries a lot of weight.
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I say trust your instincts and your own experiences and try a pair of the 'C' variant as your drum overheads.
Yes I'd like to.
Although I'm also interested in using these mics as possible front of kit mics.
Needs to handle the SPL.
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RB,
obviously we can't say about your convo with him, to speculate on what he recommended, based on what you two guys talked about.

But...I know that Oliver designed the "CK25" capsule specifically for the UM25. I think it does sound very nice for the price. He did a great job with it, and they tried as hard as they could to maintain the AKG blueprint without re-inventing it. So no question that he likes it!

To speculate further, he could be trying to save you a few bucks on your choice, because I would concede they sound great already, without getting into deeper esoterica. Or maybe because of the modern manufacturing, the capsule yields impressive spec. I can't really say. But what I would recommend is that you should get the mic's that are in your budget, and preference and put them over your drums, without any trepidation.

Tim's capsule is of course, also very very nice too. I think it sounds slightly softer up top than Oliver's CK25, and a bit more thick in the mid range. The CK25 capsule may have a slightly more "modern", and open top end detail. We are talking fine c-hair differences, now! I say Both Microphones are suitable for drum overheads, and pretty much the same applications across the board. I think the Pattens do sound different, though. Things like off-axis tone and how narrow/wide the pickup is.

As well, the "C" version includes upgrades such as Gotham Tube Mic Cables and Oliver's rugged "NG" style PSU. This also surely makes a difference too. Again, to my ears, I think Olivers CK25 and Tim's CT12 have slightly different responses, but both are both approaching the ELAM/C12 vibe, and both should sound great over the drums. As well as all the other expected challenges you have put forth. In my experience, anyway.

Good luck, RB
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I Hear ya
It's just I'd gravitate to the smoother softer less modern meatier mids thing you describe in the TC capsule.
Modern and brighter is definitely NOT what I want from a pair of drum overheads.
I've heard them (campbell)in c12's on drums and was impressed .

Reminds me of the km69/f44 to km 84 comparison whereas the newer design wasn't recommended for louder SPL stuff like close drums.. Kinda lost interest in trying those.
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Of course I meant no disrespect of Oliver, I own his U47 kit which is spectacular. I simply stated he has his own opinion, which though I take a gurus advice 99% of the time, doesn't mean that I would not make my own choice between capsules in this instance.
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Do any dealers actually have the 25C in stock? Is there a pair available to shoot out to L.A.? My emails to the contact in Switzerland have gone unanswered and I'm wondering if this mic is being put on the back burner, particularly in light of RB's convo with Oliver.

-R
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