How Do You Get This Effect?

[oceantracks]

I heard a song some time ago that had a guy rapping in it. All of a sudden, the guys voice started SLLOWWWING DOWN......until he sounded like a 30 ips tape running at 7.5. BUT....the RHYTHM wasn't changing. He was STILL rapping in sync with the backbeat. So it was slowing down in pitch but not time. I'm wondering how you guys would do this, and if it would work on instruments as well....so that you could slow an instrument down an octave even, and yet it would still be playing in time...

Thanks
Tom

[Thumper]

Uh... A pitch shifter? Am I missing something here?

And I hope that I don't personally offend anyone, but 'screwed' rap is the gayest stuff ever... The only way it could be any gayer, is if Richard Simmons started doing it.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Uh... A pitch shifter? Am I missing something here?

And I hope that I don't personally offend anyone, but 'screwed' rap is the gayest stuff ever... The only way it could be any gayer, is if Richard Simmons started doing it.

Yeah because I've never been able to get a pitch shifter to do what I heard. It was doing it in real time, as he was "singing".....gradually slowing down but staying with the beat. When I use Pitch N Time to do this, even checking "Maintain Rhythm" or whatever it's called, it doesn't do this..

Tom ( who doesn't like rap of any kind but heard this cool effect anyway)

[cramseur]

clip?

[adrianex]

Hey,

There is PT plug in called vari-Fi which speed up or slow down a track (like tape)

Did you sell the germanium, I called you and sent you e-mails but never heard back from you.. anyways, hope this helps

Adrianex

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by adrianex

Hey,

There is PT plug in called vari-Fi which speed up or slow down a track (like tape)

Did you sell the germanium, I called you and sent you e-mails but never heard back from you.. anyways, hope this helps

Adrianex

But Vari Fi won't keep it in sync, it just slows it down...

When I didn't hear from you on the day you were to come up, I sold it...sorry...

Tom

[Dr.Wu]

Rolands V-Synth can do this.
Its a core feature of elastic synthesis to make pitch and tempo of a sample two totally independent parameters.
And since it can keep the formant while changing pitch its much better for voice transposition than most harmonizers.

[Drumsound]

You could try to record the vocal while speeding up the track with vari-speed. Then on play back the pitch would fall.

[Dr.Wu]

good luck trying to rap in sync while changing the tape speed!

[gsilbers]

ableton live can do that in a second. just have it rewired to PT and have the vocals only in LIVE and use the transposition knob. if u have a control surface or midi keyboard w knobs and sliders u can do it in real time and control the amount of pitch shift.

[Drumsound]

Originally Posted by Dr.Wu

good luck trying to rap in sync while changing the tape speed!

The last rap record that I heard that was still interested in rapping in time was made about 1994...

[Elof]

What about formant shifting in Melodyne or perhaps AT?

[Sizzleboy]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

I heard a song some time ago that had a guy rapping in it. All of a sudden, the guys voice started SLLOWWWING DOWN......until he sounded like a 30 ips tape running at 7.5. BUT....the RHYTHM wasn't changing. He was STILL rapping in sync with the backbeat. So it was slowing down in pitch but not time. I'm wondering how you guys would do this, and if it would work on instruments as well....so that you could slow an instrument down an octave even, and yet it would still be playing in time...

Thanks
Tom

If it's sounding like tape slowing down, then the formants are being pitched to, so no need for some elaborite harmonizer. You just need a pitch shifter with real time control. As mentioned, some software can do it. Many hardware FX boxes could do it. The Eventides could do it. The built in wammy effect in the Roland all in one boxes could do it. Could probably even do it right in an MPC

[TLS]

Nuendo will let you add a pitch envelope while preserving the length. I imagine other plug-ins (Waves Soundshifter) will do the same.

[proxy]

Alesis made a wierd product that sensed your hand waving over it to alter effect parameters (air fx?). It had a fun pitch one that would alter based on how close your hand was to the sensor. It would change the pitch but everything else was real time.

I loved that thing for that one effect, and when I moved I think it got put in a wrong box. Dang that thing was fun. Most of the other fx were lame, but that one came in real handy every now and then.

BUT, because of its sensor approach, you couldn't get it to be exactly one octave, although with practice you could kinda zen it...

- proxy

[Andi Rauscher]

melodyne?

[TREMORS]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Uh... A pitch shifter? Am I missing something here?

And I hope that I don't personally offend anyone, but 'screwed' rap is the gayest stuff ever... The only way it could be any gayer, is if Richard Simmons started doing it.

Thumper, I am not offended, but..
What's with people saying this or that is "gay"?
Has it replaced "********"?
I dunno, seems like a younger generation thing.

I am certainly not the most PC person, AT all.
I dunno, it just kinda makes me cringe.
And a "brokeback" joke would've been funnier.
Havent seen or heard from Rich Simmons in years.
At least be relevant.

I always assumed for that type of effect, that someone was using two different sources. Perhaps even literally slowing the tape w/ varispeed while mixing it in with the prerecorded track(s).
I think the Live! suggestion is probably one of the best ideas.
Even just to try it out, it's a pretty amazing program, if you havent used it.
But, if you rewire it, doesnt that disable the ability to change the tempo on the fly?
Isnt it locked to the host?
oh, wait..you said use the transpo feature...

-D

[Kiwiburger]

I second the Nuendo pitch envelope trick. I use Cubase SX3, which I guess is the same. If the tempo stays the same, but the pitch changes, then it's obviously a digital pitch shifting trick. In my experience, these always work far better as an offline process than in realtime. In Cubase SX3, you would simply open the Audio -Process - Pitch Shift option. Make sure timestretch is enabled, so the tempo doesn't change. Whether you enable formant shifting depends on what you want it to sound like. Just draw the curve, using as many nodes as you need, and then when it's sound like what you want - render the file.

There might be realtime plugins or hardware processors that can do a similar job, but I generally find that there is some compromise in sound quality with real time pitch effects, (unless they are simple modulated delay time pitch effects, which also change tempo).

[thenoiseflower]

Abbleton live anyone, ????

supa quick.

it'l take the rythm, count it, and then you can "warp" it which includes about any time fix or stretch you can imagine)_ and bring it back to rythm, on beat perfect, its cake, its ready to do so as soon as you record the sample, or import the sample to the track.

mess with the waveform display, and pull the warp points for space(together) and then time stretch beetween other warp points, and then clip it back on beat and make any corrections(to the streching) as needed.

then export the sample and yor done.

key feature to the program.

[Justynfromnz]

yeah im gonna vote "live"
sometimes that warp thing can sound super good

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

I second the Nuendo pitch envelope trick. I use Cubase SX3, which I guess is the same. If the tempo stays the same, but the pitch changes, then it's obviously a digital pitch shifting trick. In my experience, these always work far better as an offline process than in realtime. In Cubase SX3, you would simply open the Audio -Process - Pitch Shift option. Make sure timestretch is enabled, so the tempo doesn't change. Whether you enable formant shifting depends on what you want it to sound like. Just draw the curve, using as many nodes as you need, and then when it's sound like what you want - render the file.

There might be realtime plugins or hardware processors that can do a similar job, but I generally find that there is some compromise in sound quality with real time pitch effects, (unless they are simple modulated delay time pitch effects, which also change tempo).

Hey sounds great. I use Nuendo, but am a fairly new user and haven't explored these areas of the program yet, but VERY cool, sounds like I already have what I need. LIVE looks like a cool program too....but a bird in the hand...

Thanks guys.....and btw every time I hear a hip hop record or rap....the vocalist is pretty much ALWAYS in time with the beat....maybe the poster a few posts back is having radio reception problems

TH

[verystrange]

On Al Kooper's Possible Projection of The Future he did this on the closing track. All analog just varispeeding the tape while singing and constantly changing his pitch "center".

I know it wasn't done this way but Al did it old school.

b

[thenoiseflower]

al cooper can do anything he wants

[SiliconAudioLab]

Logic's Time & Pitch tool.

[TonyBelmont]

My best guess is this is a pitch envelope in a DAW. Post a clip to be sure...

[Billster]

I use the Speed-plugin (I think it´s soundtoys, right ?) for these kind of effects. It allows you to define speed independently from pitch and also it lets you define a speed or pitch envelope graphically, which is very handy. The sound isn´t really analogue so you hear the audio has been processed, but it´s fair enough for most effects IMO.

Good luck with it,
Bill

[Mastering101]

the eventide h8000 has a patch that can do it. i think the orville too. i dont remember what patc number off hand...it will put the brakes on any audio clip

[Mike Caffrey]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

I heard a song some time ago that had a guy rapping in it. All of a sudden, the guys voice started SLLOWWWING DOWN......until he sounded like a 30 ips tape running at 7.5. BUT....the RHYTHM wasn't changing. He was STILL rapping in sync with the backbeat. So it was slowing down in pitch but not time. I'm wondering how you guys would do this, and if it would work on instruments as well....so that you could slow an instrument down an octave even, and yet it would still be playing in time...

Thanks
Tom

Your description sounds like vari-fi at first, but what you mean is the vocal is dropping in pitch, not slowing down, right? The thythm is constant, just the pitch is changing.

There are a ton of ways to do that.

[u b k]

well, yes, there are lots of toys and plugs out there that drop a clip's pitch independent of time, but not all of them will go from point a to b slowly and progressively following an envelope.

ableton live, easy: draw it, automatic. melodyne, slightly less easy: draw it, automatic. reaktor, pluggo, eventide, easy: no envelope, but you can grab a knob and tweak in realtime.

doing this with tape would be a pita, you'd be mc'ing with a continually quickening tempo. you could do it, but the pocket would likely be shifting all over the place. pocket is everything in hiphop.

someone hasn't heard rapping in time since '94? my experience is the opposite, in '94 everyone still had a lot of whiteness in their motion, nowadays tons of guys have an artful lag and swing to their groove, even some white boys. very nice.


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[Nutmeg II.]

Just to ad more convusion.
Waves Doppler will do it too.