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Old 26th October 2012   #151
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Maybe it is impossible to determine with so many variables, it would be cool to check out what you suggest given a specific vocal for instance and the mix and have a dry signal with many of us trying out the same setting and see which fools us best! I mentioned if "clean" compression might be a better word instead of transparent, but we should give OP the benefit of doubt, he has mentioned he is looking for a versatile compressors without "obvious" artifacts that a lot of compressors are associated with... mind you i reckon a lot of compressors could end up sounding fairly similar in dynamic characteristics alone at conservative settings...
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Guys, you are just bickering about semantics. One end of the spectrum for hardware compressors is they impart very little of their own sound to the material, we call that transparent or clean. The other end of the spectrum for hardware compressors is they impart a lot of their own sound to the material, we call that colored. If you have been around enough hardware compressors then you can further describe compressors by how they grab the material or by their general type of circuit Opto/VCA/FET/Vari-mu/Diode to convey what a box sounds like. These are just general catagories and some units blur the lines like maybe a fast grab VCA type that sounds more FET like. Compressors have a wide range of sound and given many clones don't even sound like the originals it's almost a sure thing that each box will sound a bit different however you can still group comps into general catagories for the purpose of helping another create a short list of comps to audition.

By the way, we use the same spectrum names transparent/clean to colored when describing converters. No one here claims even with the most transparent converter going through an ADA cycle that it sounds the same as the live source. The OP simply asked and received sugestions for comps in the transparent catagory, why not just leave it at that.
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A compressed signal is not transparent. By definition. Sorry, that minimum amount of linguistic sanity is necessary.

The question should be, which compressor at a given equal setting for all (time/dynamic parameters) has the most transparent/least audible sound.
jeeeez..

you really want to detract from the already decreasing SN ratio on the forum by squabbling over semantics?
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Guys, you are just bickering about semantics. One end of the spectrum for hardware compressors is they impart very little of their own sound to the material, we call that transparent or clean. The other end of the spectrum for hardware compressors is they impart a lot of their own sound to the material, we call that colored. If you have been around enough hardware compressors then you can further describe compressors by how they grab the material or by their general type of circuit Opto/VCA/FET/Vari-mu/Diode to convey what a box sounds like. These are just general catagories and some units blur the lines like maybe a fast grab VCA type that sounds more FET like. Compressors have a wide range of sound and given many clones don't even sound like the originals it's almost a sure thing that each box will sound a bit different however you can still group comps into general catagories for the purpose of helping another create a short list of comps to audition.

By the way, we use the same spectrum names transparent/clean to colored when describing converters. No one here claims even with the most transparent converter going through an ADA cycle that it sounds the same as the live source. The OP simply asked and received sugestions for comps in the transparent catagory, why not just leave it at that.
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The question should be, which compressor at a given equal setting for all (time/dynamic parameters) has the most transparent/least audible sound.
Why don't you just assume this then and contribute something.
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Why don't you just assume this then and contribute something.
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Transparency = no character, imo.
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Transparency = no character, imo.
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Except in politics ...
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Another vote for the Aphex Compellor.
There is nothing else like it on the market for transparent compression.
Here's a great compressor shoot out video that really proves the point.
The Compellor comes in at 4:02.
Recording Studio Compressor Death Match! - YouTube
Right on man, thanks for the link to that video. These Aphex really are amazing for the price eh?
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Except in politics ...
Trying to find the most transparent compressor, is kinda like "voting for the lesser of two evils",

I gave up years ago,
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bcgood. Nice one.
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The Knif Audio Vari MU is generally described as very discreet, no pun intended. (at least according to the few comments from mastering engineers I've managed to dredge up on the web)

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Thanks for all the suggestions gentlemen.
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Trying to find the most transparent compressor, is kinda like "voting for the lesser of two evils",

I gave up years ago,
It's been an interesting search. This is an excerpt from a SOS article on the Charter Oak SCL1 that is from the Charter Oak website.

"Having set the SCL1 up as a bus compressor, dialled in reasonably sensible starting positions for all the controls, and achieved gain reduction dipping healthily down to -8dB or so on the meter, I initially wondered what was wrong, because I couldn’t hear any typical compression artifacts. I even wondered if I had mis-plugged something, so that I was still hearing the original signal rather than the SCL1’s output! However, further investigation revealed that I really was listening to the compressor’s output, but that the compression is just incredibly clean and natural sounding — even with apparently extreme settings. There just is no indication of pumping or breathing, no loss of HF detail and no nasty transients, just a slightly higher average energy level and a more controlled output signal."

That last sentence summarizes the OP pretty well I think.

From the same article - here's some retribution to all you automation guys!

"This remarkable feat can be explained partially by the fact that the SCL1 is really a gentle automatic gain control system, with some dynamic compression added on top, rather than a conventional compressor. As a result, it doesn’t generally apply as much total dynamic range reduction as other bus compressors might do with similar settings — but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t do a superb job, especially as a bus compressor."

There you have it. The perfect box for someone who wants automatic transparent automation!

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Transparency = no character, imo.
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Interesting. Have you tried these?
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Neve 33609, BSS DPR-402 (perhaps the most unrated compressor ever)
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