ASP8024+SSL Matrix: advices for set-up

[Capashitor]

I think you need to give me that audient. You don't really need it.

[Spiritworks]

I would use the Audient for everything in/out, sell the Matrix and buy a Nucleus for the control/automation. Money saved to purchase other goodies.

[Killahurts]

Originally Posted by Spiritworks

I would use the Audient for everything in/out, sell the Matrix and buy a Nucleus for the control/automation. Money saved to purchase other goodies.

I have to admit, that's a great idea, and I own a Matrix..

If you need real analog automation (not just DAW), I bet the extra money you'd save would more than cover an automation package for the Audient.. if you even can do that with the 8024?

[AllBread]

Boy, thinking about how to interface those two consoles would give me a big old headache. I'd either sell the Audient and outfit the Matrix with good preamps and eq or sell the Matrix and replace it with a C24 or other control surface to help with DAW automation.

BTW, you're supposed to buy a Porsche after a divorce - it's a very elegant solution that requires no additional cabling and it makes routing decisions fun and easy. Also, no one will say, "holy crap, you could of bought a Porsche for that much!" when you tell them how much it cost you.

[kennydezotttk]

I would keep the matrix, sell the audient and with that money i would buy outboard gear to compliment the matrix.

[Spiritworks]

OP must have had a good divorce lawyer. I was left with the clothes on my back after my divorce..........
Anyway, I checked the Audient website. Have you all seen the Dual layer DAW controller they offer? I would see if they can retrofit that into the existing console. Nice!

[LeMauce]

Ditch the matrix and buy Scott greiners sum:mation box (16ch) two times. Putt them on the insert / to tape outputs. Plus the Return the 2bus from summers to the main section on the board.
Do Analog fader automation by you daw by the plugin of the summer. That's what I'm going to do. Just got 1 summation!!!

And for daw automation. By a simple fader port next to your master fader on the audient.

And all this is: welcome to the analog world sound with digital daw automation!

[Higure]

Originally Posted by Killahurts

I have to admit, that's a great idea, and I own a Matrix..

If you need real analog automation (not just DAW), I bet the extra money you'd save would more than cover an automation package for the Audient.. if you even can do that with the 8024?

I assume I should have clarified: when I mentioned DAW control, I didn't mean it for mixing ITB. I won't do hybrid stuff either. Everything will be OTB, so it's really for analog automation.

I think you can install Flying Faders II in the audient, don't know about Shadowmix. I don't even know if anyone is actually really using Shadowmix.
FFII would cost more than what I'd get if I sell the Matrix and I'm wondering if it would really be worth the pain/cost to upgrade the Audient. All in all, FFII would maybe cost more than the Audient (which I got used, just like the SSL).

As for the DLC that someone mentioned, it's only 8 channels of automation. A lot less than what the Matrix offers.

So, as I'm definitely going to use both consoles alongside, and that I will definitely not sell any of them, I'd appreciate if someone could just answer the initial question.
Thanks.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by LeMauce

Ditch the matrix and by Scott greiners summation box (16ch) two times. Putt them on the insert / to tape outputs. Return 2bus from summers to the main section on the board. Do Analog fader automation by you daw by the plugin of the summer. That's what I'm going to do. Just got 1 summation!!!

And for daw automation. By a simple fader port next to your master fader on the audient.

And all this is: welcome to the analog world sound with digital daw automation!

Hi Lemauce,
Could you please elaborate a bit on the Underlined above...Especially "analog fader automation by summer plugin"... Thanks in advance.

Don't worry..
Found Scott's website. This thing's amazing...
How long has this been available? Must've been living under a rock.

[G-Spot]

Congrats on the Audient and on the Matrix!
I have a ASP8024 36 ch. and love it. I thought about retrofitting the Dual Layer Control, but for the price (and a bit more) I'll buy the ASP2802 (now sold by focusrite) which will give me more 28 inputs (between other advantages). I'll than connect it between the send and returns of the 8 subgroups of the ASP8024 to automate them.

Having the Matrix it's a dream! Don't sell it... from the DAW go to the ASP8024, mix with it until you have your static mix set, than sub-mix (up) to 16 channels into the Matrix (use the 8 sub-groups outs from the ASP plus/or the any of 24 Tape outputs of the ASP). Than you can do the "Michael Brauer thing". (He dedicates one EQ and one Compressors to each one of his 4 sub-groups).

Let than the Matrix automate those analog (stem) subgroups (pos compression). You can also use the Matrix to automate Vocal sends to Reverbs, by sending the vocals to a fader in the Matrix and sending in to a Reverb.

The Audient is pretty much neutral sounding, so you are not getting any "color" if you put it summing after the Matrix.. also the big advantage in the Audient is the routing capabilities to integrate your hardware, so use them extensively and than let the Matrix put some of the SSL magic to the sub groups and automate them after compression.

DAW automation is good, but (for instance) if you are using outboard compressors in a vocal track, it's almost useless as the changes in volume in the DAW would change the amount of level going into the compressor and changing the amount of compression in the vocals, instead of changing the overall volume of the compressed vocal... so changing the Matrix for a simple DAW control only, isn't really an option as it would mean "going backwards".

Good luck and let us know the developments!

[G-Spot]

Originally Posted by LeMauce

Ditch the matrix and by Scott greiners summation box (16ch) two times. Putt them on the insert / to tape outputs. Return 2bus from summers to the main section on the board.
Do Analog fader automation by you daw by the plugin of the summer. That's what I'm going to do. Just got 1 summation!!!

And for daw automation. By a simple fader port next to your master fader on the audient.

And all this is: welcome to the analog world sound with digital daw automation!

That sum:mation box could be a solution!!! (If you don't need DAW control, or have one DAW control already, or you only need something basic like the Presonus FaderPort).

But I can't find it anywhere... how much is it? How does it work? Do you have to create "ghost tracks" with the plug-in inserted on those tracks? Or do you just insert the plugin for the summing box automation in the DAW track you want to control? Is the plug-in reading the tracks Volume automation in ProTools, or is it reading from it's own automation window?

Sorry for going of topic...

[G-Spot]

Originally Posted by Sen

Don't worry..
Found Scott's website. This thing's amazing...
How long has this been available? Must've been living under a rock.

Where?
there's nothing in here about the sum:mation
::: Scott Greiner | producer, mixer, engineer, musician :::

[G-Spot]

Found it! In deed a serious alternative!
sum.mation | Greiner Engineering Tools

[Sen]

THe designer is on the board here..juniorhifikit is the nick I think...